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QuoteQuoteThe world's tallest minaret (at 210 metres) is located at the Hassan II Mosque in Casablanca, Morocco The world's tallest brick minaret is Qutub Minar located in Delhi, India. There are two 230 metre tall minarets under construction in Tehran, Iran.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minaret
Appalling that so much support for banning minarets would be found in a forum containing many BASE jumpers.
Sharia law *999* states, Any one caught launching from a minaret will publicly lose their balls -(funny no mention of female gender
must be because of the shishkabab the females wear (prevents them from pulling)) pun intended.
Are you willing to put your balls on the block for a jump.
For all you PC wankers that was a joke.
Gone fishing
Andy9o8 0
Quoteunlike yours, our democracy cant be bought!
A completely childish and petulant response.
National shame is embarrassing, isn't it?
MrDree 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteyou dont know much about the issue, yet you feel strong opinions about it; why!?
Because he's an ethical human being.
and the majority of swiss are not?
Precisely! And they've demonstrated that by democratic process!
We also had to vote to ban the export of war material.
Guess what? The majority refused the ban.
Why? Because it would endanger 5000 jobs.
Apparently, for the majority of the Swiss people (68%), it's better to sell weapons to kill civilians abroad than losing 5000 jobs here. So I guess you're right Andy, these votes showed that the majority doesn't give a flying fuck about ethics.
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WTF? why are the Swiss so intent on banning a Social Dance? .. All seems a bit strange to me or am I missing somthing here?
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QuoteQuoteQuoteyou dont know much about the issue, yet you feel strong opinions about it; why!?
Because he's an ethical human being.
and the majority of swiss are not?
Precisely! And they've demonstrated that by democratic process!
If the "free speech" don't tread on minority argument is followed through to its logical conclusion then you don't mind sharia law being applied locally?
I honestly don't understand yours and Jakee stance - a minority activity that disrupts and or offends people is over-ruled by a majority and it is a problem?
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
Andy9o8 0
QuoteI honestly don't understand yours and Jakee stance - a minority activity that disrupts and or offends people is over-ruled by a majority and it is a problem?
Well, "disrupts" and "offends" are two vastly different things, in this context. As for "disrupts", I've already said in post #25 that I had no objection to reasonable noise-abating restrictions. As for "offends", that's where my American-bred mind-set kicks in. To my way of thinking, if the sight of a minaret on a mosque "offends" people who tsk-tsk every Sunday as they sit in their churches with steeples on them, that's tough shit.
It brings to mind the remark of your countryman up-thread who referred to the sound of Muslim calls to prayer as "yodeling". Very culturally narrow-minded. I imagine that to some people in Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist countries, the sound of a choir singing Christian hymns might sound as discordant as fingernails scraping down a blackboard.
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QuoteCompeting concerns (legitimate ones, that is) can be harmonized if people are willing to be mutually reasonable and cooperative. For example, one can have minarets, on religious grounds, but still enact noise regulations that limit any sound broadcast from houses of worship (which would include Muslim calls to prayer, the tolling of bells in Christian church steeples, etc.) to not more than "X" decibels, for "x" amount of time..... etc.
I have to say that when I lived in Cambridge (UK) I rather liked waking to the sound of the peal of 12 bells ringing "changes" on a Sunday morning, despite being an atheist. They were real bells though, not some recording played over a PA system.
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JackC 0
QuoteWell, "disrupts" and "offends" are two vastly different things, in this context. As for "disrupts", I've already said in post #25 that I had no objection to reasonable noise-abating restrictions. As for "offends", that's where my American-bred mind-set kicks in. To my way of thinking, if the sight of a minaret on a mosque "offends" people who tsk-tsk every Sunday as they sit in their churches with steeples on them, that's tough shit.
It brings to mind the remark of your countryman up-thread who referred to the sound of Muslim calls to prayer as "yodeling". Very culturally narrow-minded. I imagine that to some people in Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist countries, the sound of a choir singing Christian hymns might sound as discordant as fingernails scraping down a blackboard.
Hmm... you are the one who doesn't give a fuck who you offend or how you do it, that's just tough shit, and yet I'm narrow minded for choosing the word "yodeling"? I think you just sank your own argument.
Andy9o8 0
QuoteQuoteCompeting concerns (legitimate ones, that is) can be harmonized if people are willing to be mutually reasonable and cooperative. For example, one can have minarets, on religious grounds, but still enact noise regulations that limit any sound broadcast from houses of worship (which would include Muslim calls to prayer, the tolling of bells in Christian church steeples, etc.) to not more than "X" decibels, for "x" amount of time..... etc.
I have to say that when I lived in Cambridge (UK) I rather liked waking to the sound of the peal of 12 bells ringing "changes" on a Sunday morning, despite being an atheist. They were real bells though, not some recording played over a PA system.
To some ears, they sound like yodeling.
Andy9o8 0
Quoteyou are the one who doesn't give a fuck who you offend or how you do it, that's just tough shit,.....
A classic example of twisting a speaker's words to demonize the speaker. Sorry, not playing your game.
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> we are talking about minarets and minarets are synonymous
> with some guy catawhalling at ungodly hours and very often stick
> out like a sore thumb.
Fair enough. In that vein we should also ban church steeples with their bells that wake you up at hours when many decent people are still asleep.
> with some guy catawhalling at ungodly hours and very often stick
> out like a sore thumb.
Fair enough. In that vein we should also ban church steeples with their bells that wake you up at hours when many decent people are still asleep.
The Vatican is on the Muslim's side on this issue, saying that the ban is an infringement on religious freedom.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/6691134/Swiss-minaret-ban-condemned-by-Vatican.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/6691134/Swiss-minaret-ban-condemned-by-Vatican.html
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Well that just about seals it then
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I have never heard the "call to prayer." How long does it last. I grew up in a town that had recorded bell ringing from the Protestant church as well as real ones from the Catholic church including the full toll for every funeral. That could go on for 45 minutes.
Precisely! And they've demonstrated that by democratic process!
unlike yours, our democracy cant be bought!
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