JohnRich 4 #1 March 24, 2004 In the news: "On Wednesday, Michael Newdow, an atheist from California who objected when his daughter's second-grade class pledged allegiance to 'one nation, under God,' will personally appear before the nine justices of the U.S. Supreme Court. He will urge them to agree with a highly controversial federal appeals court decision and rule that including the Deity in a public school pledge violates the Constitution's prohibition against the state establishment of religion." Full Story Should the words "under God" be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 March 24, 2004 I don't much care as long as the teachers don't make a public big deal (either way) in the class. Then it crosses into something else. I do care that tax money is being spent on this kind of stuff. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #3 March 24, 2004 YES. They were added because of the Knights of Colombus' lobbying efforts against the "Godless Commies." It was not a founding father idea, it was one of giving ourselves a warm fuzzy feeling. Mental masturbation, so to speak. I never said the "under god" part, never will, and will vote for its removal, given the chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #4 March 24, 2004 Well kiddies, when I was a kid 'Under God" was not yet in the Pledge and still to this day, it still sounds strange to me to have that added bit in there. I never thought it belonged in there in the first place.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #5 March 24, 2004 I think the original words of the Pledge are beautiful and needed no alteration. The original Pledge was something every American could be proud of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #6 March 24, 2004 I still like MY version from kindergarden... One nation, UNDERDOG, INVISIBLE, for liberty and justice for all. Do the kids really understand what it all means anyways? JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #7 March 24, 2004 Quote...Do the kids really understand what it all means anyways... That's exactly what your average German said about the Hitler Youth's programs... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #8 March 24, 2004 QuoteQuote...Do the kids really understand what it all means anyways... That's exactly what your average German said about the Hitler Youth's programs... Well, did the little hitler youths understand? or were they just reciting what they are told to recite without meaning? JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #9 March 24, 2004 QuoteI still like MY version from kindergarden... One nation, UNDERDOG, INVISIBLE, for liberty and justice for all. You too?!? I thought I was the only one who thought that. I would always think of underdog in his red suit with the "U" in front. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 March 24, 2004 ROFLMAO!!!!! When I was a kid in Catholic school, instead of "Agnus Dei, qui tolis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem" we sang what made sense to us... "Agnes Da-ay, Kwee Told-it take a tumbleweed, donut no-bee pants-down" not that that made much more sense, but at least it was kinda English. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #11 March 24, 2004 QuoteQuoteI still like MY version from kindergarden... One nation, UNDERDOG, INVISIBLE, for liberty and justice for all. You too?!? I thought I was the only one who thought that. I would always think of underdog in his red suit with the "U" in front. Was your mother as horrified as mine was when she heard you say it that way for the first time and didn't realize you were wrong? I still laugh about it. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #12 March 24, 2004 man john you love hot button issues dont you. I pesronaly think it should stay in. WHy caseu it is the way i was taught, it is what i know. i will not change the pledge. I will alawys say under God. Yes i am a christian but that doesnt matter that much. Bottom line is if you dont like it then you can not say it. Freedom of speech.-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #13 March 24, 2004 QuoteWell kiddies, when I was a kid 'Under God" was not yet in the Pledge and still to this day, it still sounds strange to me to have that added bit in there. I never thought it belonged in there in the first place. -Was not IN the pledge in your days? Ex-squeeze me? And our children should be given the right to express themselves ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...we were founded on religious FREEDOM...should you take that AWAY from my child, usedtajump, I would have ISSUES with it. Your kid need not say it, but MINE DO.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #14 March 24, 2004 actually, I don't say it. But my choice not to say it has nothing to do with the "under God" line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #15 March 24, 2004 QuoteI never said the "under god" part, never will, and will vote for its removal, given the chance. My exact thoughts. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #16 March 24, 2004 and you are totaly entitled to that right as an American. Thats is what i am saying. If it offends someone or what ever then dont say it, if it doesnt then go for it. I think that people worry to much about what will offend the person standing next tothem.-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #17 March 24, 2004 Ok, different take on it . . . Why do we pledge allegiance to the flag anyway? Why do we insist on confusing the symbols with the things they symbolize? The flag isn't our country -- the U.S. Constitution is.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #18 March 24, 2004 Quoteshould you take that AWAY from my child, usedtajump, I would have ISSUES with it Well, then, to be fair, we should make sure that other children's rights to declare their deity in the pledge. Can they replace "under god" with "under allah?" How about "as Buddha would like" etc. So do we leave that space blank "One nation, (insert deity of choice), indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" or do we keep it as God (which implies that God is OK, but not those other deities, or just that since most of us call the big guy God that's how we should leave it), or do we remove it and say that references to religion don't belong in a patriotic pledge? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #19 March 24, 2004 Jaye- The pledge was edited back in 1954 to add in the words "Under God". The change was made by congress in a reaction to the socialism of the cold war. -N- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bshl 0 #20 March 24, 2004 I think we should focus our energy elsewhere. If you're an atheist or hedonist or something, you can be your own god. If you're a buddhist, confuscist, jewish, catholic, baptist, protestant, wiccan, pianist (pianist?) or whatever, insert your own version. Leave it alone and let's do something productive already. Blue skies and happy landings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #21 March 24, 2004 Quote Was your mother as horrified as mine was when she heard you say it that way for the first time and didn't realize you were wrong? I still laugh about it. Nah I doubt she knew the words to it because she immigrated here in her twenties, then went back after I grew up (physically, i'm still growing up mentally). Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerryfuss 0 #22 March 24, 2004 Doesn't your money have on it "In GOD WE TRUST". should that be removed as well. Where do you draw the line? If the guy is an athiest than what does he care if they use the word "god" , he doesn't believe in it. This reminds me of when I was in highschool the jehova's witness kids would always go out into the hall during the national anthem. Because the word "god" appears in the canadian national anthem? Jehova is what they call god so can't they pretend they say jehova there? . BTW the anthem was playing in the hallway as well. the worst part about it was they didn't really want to leave the classroom but thats what they were instructed to do by their parents. This little girl probably doesn't care if she pledges to the flag, but her father seems to want to start somthing by using his daughter as a pawn in this. my thoughts anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #23 March 24, 2004 >Was not IN the pledge in your days? Ex-squeeze me? "One nation under god" was added to the pledge about fifty years ago. >And our children should be given the right to express themselves > ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...we were founded on religious > FREEDOM...should you take that AWAY from my child, usedtajump, I > would have ISSUES with it. Who's taking away anything? Your kid can still say whatever he wants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #24 March 24, 2004 QuoteOk, different take on it . . . Why do we pledge allegiance to the flag anyway? Why do we insist on confusing the symbols with the things they symbolize? The flag isn't our country -- the U.S. Constitution is. And THAT is why I don't say the pledge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #25 March 24, 2004 QuoteJaye- The pledge was edited back in 1954 to add in the words "Under God". The change was made by congress in a reaction to the socialism of the cold war. -N- Ok then, Usedtajump is about my dad's age at least...for some reason I ws thinking that this person was under 35 years old, which would make NO sense whatsoever...as I have never lived a day without that phrase in the pledge...my mistake and I apologize for that. HOWEVER, in response to Wendy...yes, actually that is what I believe, "One nation, (insert your preference here)." We were founded on religious freedom. So we're tracking there. Not allowing my kids to say 'Under God' would be religious persecution, in my eyes.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
