DougH 270 #26 June 4, 2008 I wonder what the trade off is... In my mind if it flies like a 9 cell, it may display less of the more desirable 7 cell flight and opening characteristics? Did they reinvent the diablo?? "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #27 June 4, 2008 Quote I wonder what the trade off... In my mind if it flies like a 9 cell, it may display less of the desirable 7 cell opening characteristics? Did they reinvent the diablo?? Nope, it's not a 'new' Diablo. I'll know for sure after jumping it, but my understanding is that it's in the middle of a Sabre2 and a Spectre performance wise (much more bottom end than a Spectre). Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #28 June 4, 2008 Quote I wonder what the trade off is... In my mind if it flies like a 9 cell, it may display less of the more desirable 7 cell flight and opening characteristics? Did they reinvent the diablo?? Keep in mind that skydiving canopies are not always for swooping. Majority of the skydivers don't swoop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnKaLi 0 #29 June 4, 2008 I'm excited about this canopy, and want to demo one when the hype clears out (or if Nick brings one to our boogie). I fly a triathlon now, but have also enjoyed flying a pilot, so I will be curious to see how this sucker is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #30 June 4, 2008 Quote I'm excited about this canopy, and want to demo one when the hype clears out (or if Nick brings one to our boogie). I fly a triathlon now, but have also enjoyed flying a pilot, so I will be curious to see how this sucker is I had a Pilot and I have a Triathlon. More I jump more I like. No swooping involved, jump stepping down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #31 June 4, 2008 Quote Keep in mind that skydiving canopies are not always for swooping. Majority of the skydivers don't swoop. I wasn't talking about swooping Gabor, where do you see that in my question? I was just wondering if there was a possible trade off between flight characterstics and opening characteristics. For example, 9 cells are generally more responsive then your average 7 cell, excluding exceptions like the diablo. But they give up a bit of opening consistancy compared to an average 7 cell. I don't need my next canopy to swoop, I have two of those now, I need one that opens nice..."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #32 June 4, 2008 Quote Quote I wonder what the trade off is... In my mind if it flies like a 9 cell, it may display less of the more desirable 7 cell flight and opening characteristics? Did they reinvent the diablo?? Keep in mind that skydiving canopies are not always for swooping. Majority of the skydivers don't swoop. Parachutes where the initial flare height is non-critical are easier to land. One way to get there is with a canopy that lands nice in a sink. You can take a big F111 seven cell loaded around .7-.9 pounds/square foot, stop going forwards about 5' over the target, and gently sink the rest of the way in. Most skydivers don't want to jump boat-like canopies so that's not an option. The other way is with a canopy that swoops on landing. Pull on the toggles until it flattens out closish to the ground, descend to ground level, and keep adding flare until you finish. This works well out past two pounds per square foot. Something which doesn't offer either option makes getting the flare height and timing right much more important. Just watch people trying to land lightnings on hot high no wind days... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,434 #33 June 5, 2008 > Nobody has tried it yet ? I did. Liked it a lot. >Did they reinvent the diablo? Definitely not! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #34 June 5, 2008 I didn't think they did, my comment was very much tounge in cheek. So how did it open? "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
novacaine 0 #35 June 5, 2008 Quote> Nobody has tried it yet ? I did. Liked it a lot. >Did they reinvent the diablo? Definitely not! How did the storm handle in comparison to other 7 cells? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #36 June 5, 2008 Quote How did the storm handle in comparison to other 7 cells? Those in the Colorado Area... The three day weekend of July 11th, I am hosting a PD Demo Day at Mile Hi Skydiving. With a bit of luck, the Storms will be one of the 20 or so canopies available to jump. I know I will jump one, and I think everyone else wants to too..... Everyone is invited, so keep in touch if you are at a neighboring city/state and want to come have fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MajorDad 0 #37 June 5, 2008 Quote How did the storm handle in comparison to other 7 cells? A number of national teams will be using the PD Storm in September's World CF Competition. So far the reviews are positive with respect to CF Performance compared to the Triathlons. (Better flare, better response, etc). Should be some good write-ups over the next couple of months as they test the edge of the envelope. Blue Ones Major Dad CSPA D-579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 0 #38 June 15, 2008 DougH... It opens very very sweeeet! Just got my demo on friday and jumped it yesterday! I demod the SA2190 and Spec190 last season and I can honestly say that the STORM is definately an in between type canopy! I was a lil concerned with my first opening because my pc is a big one (33" standard ZPwith hacky RI) so needless to say i was ready for a slammer in the crotch, but that didnt happen, of course i was not at terminal either.... Packing has a lot to do with openings, i think we all know this by now!! I rolled the nose maybe half to one full roll but it probably came out when I layed it down tho, but anyway it opens really nice. Today I will get some more time on the STORM and will creep up my deployment speed a little bit more on each jump... The flair is also nice too! Now mind all of you that this 170 is still set at the factory brake settings so I was deep in the toggles and had a nice smooth runout. THANK YOU KimmyKim and all at the R&D team at PD!! You all have hit the target with this canopy as far as a nice allround design for weekend jumpers and perhaps the PROS!!!!YOU guys ROCKKKKKKK!!!! Overall, what I think about the STORM is this; I AM BUYING ONE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #39 June 15, 2008 Quote I rolled the nose maybe half to one full roll... Why?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #40 June 16, 2008 you know according to the PD rep that I talked to the most important things to keep the canopy from slamming you is to keep the slider all the way up and quatered properly, then make sure your lines are stowed across the D-bag nice neatly and most importantly tightly.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperGirl 0 #41 June 16, 2008 Just had the chance to demo a Storm this weekend, since the PD guys came to our dz. I gotta say I totally loved it. I normally jump a Spectre 150 which I'm only loading about 1.1, and I don't do any swooping so don't ask me about that kind of stuff, but otherwise here's what I thought: - awesome awesome openings. I don't remember my Spectre ever opening that nicely. On 2 jumps I even kinda trash-packed the Storm, hurrying to get on a load, and it still opened veeery very nicely, soft and exactly on-heading. - handling it felt pretty solid. I felt the front riser pressure was a bit higher than my spectre, but then again I'm a girl with really weak arms who doesn't use those fronts that much anyway, so this may be irrelevant. - excellent flare overall, all characteristics felt better than my spectre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
in2jumping 0 #42 June 16, 2008 QuoteJust had the chance to demo a Storm this weekend, since the PD guys came to our dz. I gotta say I totally loved it. I normally jump a Spectre 150 which I'm only loading about 1.1, and I don't do any swooping so don't ask me about that kind of stuff, but otherwise here's what I thought: - awesome awesome openings. I don't remember my Spectre ever opening that nicely. On 2 jumps I even kinda trash-packed the Storm, hurrying to get on a load, and it still opened veeery very nicely, soft and exactly on-heading. - handling it felt pretty solid. I felt the front riser pressure was a bit higher than my spectre, but then again I'm a girl with really weak arms who doesn't use those fronts that much anyway, so this may be irrelevant. - excellent flare overall, all characteristics felt better than my spectre Is it trimmed steeper (more ground hungry) than the Spectre? Also what about the flair, did the sweet spot seem a lot lower? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #43 June 18, 2008 Quote Is it trimmed steeper (more ground hungry) than the Spectre? Also what about the flair, did the sweet spot seem a lot lower? I put 10 jumps on a 210 (1.3) this past weekend, and it certainly seems less steep to me, which may account for the higher front riser pressure. The front riser pressure is at least as high or higher than my 230 Spectre, which is 20sf bigger. It is very responsive on fronts though... The flare is considerably different than that on my Spectre. I think I get as much or more early in the stroke on my Spectre, but it runs out at the bottom and is pretty much done at the end of the stroke. The Storm is NOT done there, in fact, it's just getting started. I was unimpressed with the landings until about the 4th or 5th one, when I figured out that I was not finishing the flare. It's got lots more to offer, very deep in the stroke. Very, very deep, with it set up on short risers (20") like it came. It's a fun canopy to fly! I did a H&P from 4 grand, and had it diving so hard at 3 grand that my Protrack went off, telling me to pull. I'll do a full review after I jump it again next weekend... "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagan 0 #44 June 29, 2008 I thought I saw a bunch of ads that made it look like it was being used in speed flying (skis & canopy & ground launch). Anyone know if that's one of the "designed" uses of it?-Patrick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #45 June 29, 2008 I don't believe that the PD-Storm was designed for SpeedRiding but the PD-Spire is (could you be confusing the 2?) (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 June 29, 2008 I jumped a Storm 190 yesterday. Good canopy. It felt "zippy" like a Sabre2 that opened like a Spectre and flew like a modern 7-cell. The toggle stroke was long and powerful on the bottom, its stall recovery was predictable and the opening was really good. This is going to be a very popular canopy, especially for the wingsuit and camera flier crowds. Edit: I was flying the 190 at a 1.5 wingloading, which I know is reasonably different then a lot of people would be flying.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sagan 0 #47 June 29, 2008 OOps your right, Spire that's the one... nevermind, i withdraw the question. This what happens when you post too late at night.-Patrick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #48 June 29, 2008 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P-dro 0 #49 June 29, 2008 Put 5 jumps on the Storm. I liked it very much: excellent opening, very strong flare even on a hot day with no wind at Gap (1800ft altitude) even loaded at 1.5, very reactive on front risers. The only thing I didn't is the fabric that makes packing a bit awkward (especially when the aspect ratio is different from the 9 cells I'm used to) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 0 #50 July 3, 2008 Quote Quote I rolled the nose maybe half to one full roll... Why? ummmm... old habit was hard to break away from! Anywho, on my next 8 jumps I didnt rol and I really felt no difference. BROKE... THX dude! ;) Anyway folks, I sent the STORM back last week and this is the first chance at a puter in awhile! Of all of the ten jumps I made, the last seven were endcell closures. It went like this R R L L/R L R R... Now if this is from NOT rolling the nose, I do not know. I will learn more about WHY this happens. I still plan on buying a new one as my last remaining funds build.. This is an absolutely sweeeet canopy for me. I heard some talk in here awhile back about South African ZP material... Whats uP with that? Good stuff or what? Is this what PD uses or do I have a choice or what? I suppose I could call kolla about it or kim maybe... I cant seem to find that thread about it! The STORM (in my lil expierence) is the one for me! peace and happy 4th all :DD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
