badshow 0 #1 June 9, 2006 Any recomendations on a good first wing suit that I wont be bored of in a couple of hundered jumps? Just trying to narrow down a list and I dont want to end up with something super sonic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeH 0 #2 June 9, 2006 http://www.phoenix-fly.com/products/wingsuit_Phantom.htm or http://www.phoenix-fly.com/products/wingsuit_Acro.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #3 June 9, 2006 Yeah, what LukeH said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 3 #4 June 9, 2006 QuoteAny recomendations on a good first wing suit that I wont be bored of in a couple of hundered jumps? Just trying to narrow down a list and I dont want to end up with something super sonic! If you are bored with a suit it's because you aren't trying new things. If all you do is fly flat, dumb, and happy, then you are really missing out. Oddly, some of what people used to term "beginner" suits are the ones most suited for aerobatics. Smaller wings make them easier to fly in unusual attitudes. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pendragon 1 #5 June 9, 2006 Get a PF Phantom. no mylar (best not for beginners or the perennially uncurrent), but might as well have back vents. It's a fairly easy suit to launch and fly, works well in flocks, doesn't have massive arm wings that interfere with a pull (as much as say a Vampire) and you can do some basic acrobatics on it when you get comfortable (front/back loops, barrel rolls and, of course, back flying!)... and when flown well, you can pass guys flying Vampires! BTW - if you haven't jumped a wingsuit yet, even though you have over the minimum # jumps, I would still recommend getting some coaching just to start - even if it is just 1 jump! There's a lot of avoidable silly mistakes first-timers can make! Richard-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites voodew1 0 #6 June 9, 2006 I think it totally depends on what you want out of the suit. --- Best all around can do everything and is extremely easy to fly would be the Acro --- The Phantom will give more forward speed, but doesn't have backfly inlets to allow the suit to inflat on its back, and the Phantom has wingtip grippers which allow for more performance but when flying with your bros your all going to be flying at 80% or below so it doesn't matter It really depends on what your looking for in a suit The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BenediktDE 2 #7 June 9, 2006 QuoteGet a PF Phantom. no mylar (best not for beginners or the perennially uncurrent), but might as well have back vents. I am just filling out the ordering form for a phantom and did not know if I should order the Mylar option or not. What problems could it cause for a beginner?For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites voodew1 0 #8 June 9, 2006 QuoteI am just filling out the ordering form for a phantom and did not know if I should order the Mylar option or not. What problems could it cause for a beginner? You have to learn how to fold it carefully and not stuff it in a bag as the mylar will bend and break if not taken care of. As for performance you'll probably not ever know the difference --- my advice would be no Mylar on your first suit and when you decide you want bigger wings (because bigger is better) order a top end suit and it will have the mylar in there The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #9 June 9, 2006 QuoteAny recomendations on a good first wing suit I see you are from the UK. Come on out to Sibson - 8-9th July for the wingsuit boogie being held there. Myself, Jari K. along with other wingsuit instructors will be more than happy to let you demo your heart out and give you some pointers. For your first wingsuit, you want something thats forgiving of poor body position and is easy to fly. Several good suit options have already been mentioned and with your jump numbers you would do equally well in either a BirdMan classic II, GTI or a Firebird as well. Just like canopies, demo as many wingsuits as you can and then choose what best suits your needs. If you have any questions, feel free to ask"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites moonglo 0 #10 June 9, 2006 QuoteThe Phantom will give more forward speed, but doesn't have backfly inlets to allow the suit to inflat on its back You can get the Phantom with backfly inlets - ala "Phacro"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #11 June 9, 2006 QuoteThe Phantom will give more forward speed, but doesn't have backfly inlets to allow the suit to inflat on its back, and the Phantom has wingtip grippers which allow for more performance but when flying with your bros your all going to be flying at 80% or below so it doesn't matter Really? My order just hit the post and did order back inlets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pendragon 1 #12 June 9, 2006 Back inlets on a Phantom are a more recent addition - but they're definitely available. -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BenediktDE 2 #13 June 9, 2006 Thank you for the information - so I'll only order the back flying inlets as an option. Hope they deliver fast - it's getting warm here. :)For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #14 June 10, 2006 --- Best all around can do everything and is extremely easy to fly would be the Acro --- Couple guys I know fly their Acros right along with a couple of S-3 flyers. You have to punch the S-3 to get away and its by no means a hellish extra speed you get on the 3's. But what is this Phacro? Oh my head ia spinning now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #4 June 9, 2006 QuoteAny recomendations on a good first wing suit that I wont be bored of in a couple of hundered jumps? Just trying to narrow down a list and I dont want to end up with something super sonic! If you are bored with a suit it's because you aren't trying new things. If all you do is fly flat, dumb, and happy, then you are really missing out. Oddly, some of what people used to term "beginner" suits are the ones most suited for aerobatics. Smaller wings make them easier to fly in unusual attitudes. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #5 June 9, 2006 Get a PF Phantom. no mylar (best not for beginners or the perennially uncurrent), but might as well have back vents. It's a fairly easy suit to launch and fly, works well in flocks, doesn't have massive arm wings that interfere with a pull (as much as say a Vampire) and you can do some basic acrobatics on it when you get comfortable (front/back loops, barrel rolls and, of course, back flying!)... and when flown well, you can pass guys flying Vampires! BTW - if you haven't jumped a wingsuit yet, even though you have over the minimum # jumps, I would still recommend getting some coaching just to start - even if it is just 1 jump! There's a lot of avoidable silly mistakes first-timers can make! Richard-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #6 June 9, 2006 I think it totally depends on what you want out of the suit. --- Best all around can do everything and is extremely easy to fly would be the Acro --- The Phantom will give more forward speed, but doesn't have backfly inlets to allow the suit to inflat on its back, and the Phantom has wingtip grippers which allow for more performance but when flying with your bros your all going to be flying at 80% or below so it doesn't matter It really depends on what your looking for in a suit The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #7 June 9, 2006 QuoteGet a PF Phantom. no mylar (best not for beginners or the perennially uncurrent), but might as well have back vents. I am just filling out the ordering form for a phantom and did not know if I should order the Mylar option or not. What problems could it cause for a beginner?For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #8 June 9, 2006 QuoteI am just filling out the ordering form for a phantom and did not know if I should order the Mylar option or not. What problems could it cause for a beginner? You have to learn how to fold it carefully and not stuff it in a bag as the mylar will bend and break if not taken care of. As for performance you'll probably not ever know the difference --- my advice would be no Mylar on your first suit and when you decide you want bigger wings (because bigger is better) order a top end suit and it will have the mylar in there The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #9 June 9, 2006 QuoteAny recomendations on a good first wing suit I see you are from the UK. Come on out to Sibson - 8-9th July for the wingsuit boogie being held there. Myself, Jari K. along with other wingsuit instructors will be more than happy to let you demo your heart out and give you some pointers. For your first wingsuit, you want something thats forgiving of poor body position and is easy to fly. Several good suit options have already been mentioned and with your jump numbers you would do equally well in either a BirdMan classic II, GTI or a Firebird as well. Just like canopies, demo as many wingsuits as you can and then choose what best suits your needs. If you have any questions, feel free to ask"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #10 June 9, 2006 QuoteThe Phantom will give more forward speed, but doesn't have backfly inlets to allow the suit to inflat on its back You can get the Phantom with backfly inlets - ala "Phacro"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #11 June 9, 2006 QuoteThe Phantom will give more forward speed, but doesn't have backfly inlets to allow the suit to inflat on its back, and the Phantom has wingtip grippers which allow for more performance but when flying with your bros your all going to be flying at 80% or below so it doesn't matter Really? My order just hit the post and did order back inlets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #12 June 9, 2006 Back inlets on a Phantom are a more recent addition - but they're definitely available. -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #13 June 9, 2006 Thank you for the information - so I'll only order the back flying inlets as an option. Hope they deliver fast - it's getting warm here. :)For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #14 June 10, 2006 --- Best all around can do everything and is extremely easy to fly would be the Acro --- Couple guys I know fly their Acros right along with a couple of S-3 flyers. You have to punch the S-3 to get away and its by no means a hellish extra speed you get on the 3's. But what is this Phacro? Oh my head ia spinning now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badenhop 0 #15 June 10, 2006 I recommend an S3. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/detail_page.cgi?ID=35996&d=1================================== I've got all I need, Jesus and gravity. Dolly Parton http://www.AveryBadenhop.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #16 June 10, 2006 QuoteI recommend an S3. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/detail_page.cgi?ID=35996&d=1 Nice try Avery... -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moonglo 0 #17 June 12, 2006 QuoteBut what is this Phacro? Phantom with backfly inlets = part Phantom part Acro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
980 0 #18 June 12, 2006 QuoteI recommend an S3. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/detail_page.cgi?ID=35996&d=1 close Avery, but your link is wrong, here, I corrected it for you: Bird suit for absolute beginner To the original poster: Have a look at what you have in the area for wingsuits instructors, go speak to them and actually check out their suits. Getting input from more than one instructor will give you a better perspective, especially if they are affiliated with different manufacturers. Pick one, do a WS first flight course with them and demo as many of their suits as you can. I bought a S3 for my first wingsuit after flying Classics and GTi’s for 20 jumps, but that was against manufacturers recommendations and would’ve been a bad choice if I did not dedicate all my skydives to wingsuit flying for the next year and a half. I see a lot of recommendations for specific suits here, I have 3 different suits from 2 manufacturers and the one that stands out as the most practical but still great performing is the Prodigy. To be really honest though, any wingsuit can bore you if you’re not into it or you do not play around with it. On the flipside, no wingsuit will bore you in a few hundred jumps if you work it! Lacing a suit on and off a rig gets pretty old quick though. So unless you have rig to dedicate to your wingsuit, the Prodigy is the least hassle option and that will matter. Cya Sam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
badshow 0 #19 June 16, 2006 Thanks for all the great info guys. I get to trial my first suit this weekend. realy looking forward to it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Calvin19 0 #20 June 26, 2006 Do like me and my boys did. Order a V2 NOW, (it was the V1 back then for us) borrow a GTI for 10ish jumps, and fly. of course, this suit will take you a LONG time to get good at, but that keeps you on the edge. A lot of birdpeoplesuitpilotguys are all about the jump number things, like every other disciplines but hey, do whatever you feel comfortable with, V1s are a bitch to fly, physicaly and skillwise, so try a GTI or something like it first. but hey, thats just me. goodspeed. .. .. .. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MB38 0 #21 June 26, 2006 I was having a chat about this very question with a few friends recently. Our consensus was to get an Acro. That way, when the jumper is skilled enough to move up to a large suit [V2/S6/whatever is out at that time], they'll still have a purpose-built acrobatics suit. Thus, two different suits for two very different types of flying. But I really don't know shit, that was merely the consensus of a conversation involving one rookie wingsuit flyer and a handful of wannabes.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbla4024 0 #22 June 26, 2006 10 WS jumps is IMHO not enough to be prepared for Vampire. PF recommends 50 jumps. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeemax 0 #23 June 26, 2006 You may as well go ahead and order a Velocity 79 as well.... 10 w/s jumps is a bit soon to move on to the V series/S6 end of the world IMHOPhoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Calvin19 0 #24 June 26, 2006 Yeah they do recomend that dont they? huh, they also recomend 1000 skydives before BASE jumping. shit. im screwed. the label on a navigator 280 recomends 50 ramair parachute jumps before useing it. i guess im a little sneaker arent I? ..... .. ... -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Calvin19 0 #25 June 26, 2006 oh yeah, and canopies are all the same, dont turn to low, and FLARE. that holds until you get into the 2/1 plus loading range. its all about keeping your head and being willing to land out. I was jumping a Lighting 113 at 50 skydives, and a stilletto 120 at 70 skydives. PS- Dont turn to low and flare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Calvin19 0 #20 June 26, 2006 Do like me and my boys did. Order a V2 NOW, (it was the V1 back then for us) borrow a GTI for 10ish jumps, and fly. of course, this suit will take you a LONG time to get good at, but that keeps you on the edge. A lot of birdpeoplesuitpilotguys are all about the jump number things, like every other disciplines but hey, do whatever you feel comfortable with, V1s are a bitch to fly, physicaly and skillwise, so try a GTI or something like it first. but hey, thats just me. goodspeed. .. .. .. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #21 June 26, 2006 I was having a chat about this very question with a few friends recently. Our consensus was to get an Acro. That way, when the jumper is skilled enough to move up to a large suit [V2/S6/whatever is out at that time], they'll still have a purpose-built acrobatics suit. Thus, two different suits for two very different types of flying. But I really don't know shit, that was merely the consensus of a conversation involving one rookie wingsuit flyer and a handful of wannabes.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #22 June 26, 2006 10 WS jumps is IMHO not enough to be prepared for Vampire. PF recommends 50 jumps. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #23 June 26, 2006 You may as well go ahead and order a Velocity 79 as well.... 10 w/s jumps is a bit soon to move on to the V series/S6 end of the world IMHOPhoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #24 June 26, 2006 Yeah they do recomend that dont they? huh, they also recomend 1000 skydives before BASE jumping. shit. im screwed. the label on a navigator 280 recomends 50 ramair parachute jumps before useing it. i guess im a little sneaker arent I? ..... .. ... -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #25 June 26, 2006 oh yeah, and canopies are all the same, dont turn to low, and FLARE. that holds until you get into the 2/1 plus loading range. its all about keeping your head and being willing to land out. I was jumping a Lighting 113 at 50 skydives, and a stilletto 120 at 70 skydives. PS- Dont turn to low and flare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
