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Eric Ulis wrote..

"I have no issue with the wording. It is a door whether it's on a hinge or not.

Nonetheless, Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel."

 

This is a false claim,, though I believe Boeing told Eric the placard was from near the aft door.

The Hicks Placard number is BAC27DPA-152.

 

This 727 very similar Emergency Airstair decal is BAC27DPA-182.... Did Boeing mix them up??

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4 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

It's no mix up. they were supplied the Hicks decal through a fax. 

You don't know that, you have no way to know that.

Those decals are very similar and the part number is one digit different a mixup somewhere is possible. 

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1 minute ago, mrshutter45 said:

It's in the 302's. why wouldn't they. you are trying to change something documented..

You make no sense.. I am not changing the documented 302. 

 

Why don't you go and get Eric to clarify his claim...

"Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel."

I think he just made it up...  but if it is true it is very important.

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I got an extensive email response from Campbell, the man living in the 727 down in Hillsboro, OR. I sent him the article showing the picture of the Hicks placard and asked his opinion on how it may have arrived there, etc.

His message is too long to reproduce here. So just the main part below:

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Hi Robert,

Interesting!  My hope is that you'll visit sometime because it's difficult to convey the air stair placards adequately in conversation.

However my sense is that exterior placards can't detach from any aircraft in flight - all external structure is designed and fabricated with sufficient attachment strength and long term durability to remain solidly and reliably attached in flight.  So the placard in question, assuming it came from the Cooper incident flight (as seems very likely) must have been located near the upper control handle which is located inside the tail structure adjacent to the aft door.

The air stairs were designed to be extended only on the ground so an item located in the general air stair interior environment could have detached due to buffeting in the Cooper incident, and indeed portions of the stair sidewalls evidently did, which makes sense to me since they'd have been heavily buffeted due to their large and highly exposed surface area.  But since the upper control for the air stairs is located adjacent to the aft door, a well protected upper area which wouldn't have experienced much buffeting force in my estimation, I doubt rough air was responsible for its detachment. And it surprises me that any circumstances caused the placard to detach. But evidently some force tore it free. Since I doubt buffeting air could have been the cause, perhaps it was torn off due to snagging or impact with money or parachute paraphernalia...'

(In other words, human intervention may have been involved in its removal, which is my take on his comments.)

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Was the money and equipment on his shoulders. that's where it would have to be for anything to tear it off the wall...Is Campbell a pilot. just because he lives in a plane doesn't mean he knows about placards. 

The controls are above the waste area in reach with your hands..a railing is also on the wall..

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23 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

It's not going to be behind the two hole panel..where do you keep getting this? the handle is there..

I can't take this anymore, you are so confused I am losing my patience..

First, there are TWO panels, the outer one with the finger holes and inner one, a flange. The red handle is behind TWO panels.

Second, ERIC made this claim on your forum and nobody questioned it.. I think he made it up..

"Boeing verified this placard described the use of the emergency airstair release behind the two-hole door/panel."

 

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21 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I got an extensive email response from Campbell, the man living in the 727 down in Hillsboro, OR. I sent him the article showing the picture of the Hicks placard and asked his opinion on how it may have arrived there, etc.

His message is too long to reproduce here. So just the main part below:

(In other words, human intervention may have been involved in its removal, which is my take on his comments.)

There are several versions of emergency airstairs decals on the 727, we know that one goes right on the main panel, it isn't the Hicks decal. 

His plane is a 727-200, a different system.

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30 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

You rely a lot on the newspaper reports why don't you believe the fact of Boeing verifying it was in the stairwell? 

Hominid claims designs were constantly changing with Boeing and the airlines changing the planes. none were the same. 

I haven't rejected anything,,, just because I challenge something doesn't mean I have rejected it.. that is what amateurs do.

 

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50 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

Was the money and equipment on his shoulders. that's where it would have to be for anything to tear it off the wall...Is Campbell a pilot. just because he lives in a plane doesn't mean he knows about placards. 

The controls are above the waste area in reach with your hands..a railing is also on the wall..

Electrical engineer. Some hints on his website (such as a link to the latest price of Boeing stock) indicates he may be retired Boeing worker. 

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This is getting interesting now,,,

we have this narrowed down, a binary..

Either Eric is lying/exaggerating about Boeing confirming the placard being behind the two holed panel OR if true, the FBI lied about almost all the placard info they released and they must have known Cooper pulled the emergency system and removed the access panels. This was my very first suspicion, the placard was attached to the second panel and it went out of the plane on that panel.

On the other hand, if Eric's claim is false we are back to square one.

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5 hours ago, mrshutter45 said:

I'm sure he would of mentioned working for Boeing.,...you have his email. ask him? 

He has extensive contact info on his website HERE. 

(Edit: One thing that miffs me sometimes is not being able to provide some info to Cooperland, simply because certain people cannot be trusted. There are those out there who lie, exaggerate, allow negativity, support baloney from their friends while excluding others, and withhold information provided to them when it goes against their interests, or their friends.)

Good thing Cooperland has ME around to give it to you straight. Sometimes, you just have to ask. ;) Don't ask unless you can handle the answers. 

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4 hours ago, mrshutter45 said:

That comment was not called by any means. you are the one who made the contact. you are the one who stated he might of worked for Boeing. out of nowhere you decide to make a rude judgmental comment. 

You can't expect ME...to do YOUR research. Yeah, I got miffed when you asked me to message him. It was a big surprise you would even ask. And yes, it bothers me that I have to keep everything a big bad secret simply because some people in Cooperland cannot be trusted. 

Look...the guy can be contacted easily, and he's already dedicated plenty of time to me. I'm not going to start asking about his background, or hounding him with further emails. That starts getting into the interview area of things, and he's already been interviewed dozens of times by the media. 

I will say this:  He holds some kind of event each year called Wing and a Party.

DJ and his gear on the starboard wing. People down below, or touring the home. 

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I am not going to post it a third time, but there was a reason I took the time to produce 'that' video last week. My official stand on the State of the Union in Cooperland, (my name for heavy fans and serious researchers in the Cooper case) is that the current situation is toxic. 

In other words, when you (not you specifically, ANYONE) support anything someone does, as long as they are in a small, basically 'protected' group, it goes to credibility with the whole Cooper thing with the public. 

You can't have it both ways. You can either back positive stuff and look for the truth on issues, or you can stick your head in the sand and pretend certain people should never be questioned. But if you do the latter, you run the risk that credibility within that group will be destroyed with the public. 

It's not easy to be known as the guy in Cooperland who fully takes people as they come, and judges them by their actions...and not because they happen to be the flavor of the week. That also comes at a price, but at least you can look yourself in the mirror and not be ashamed. 

 

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