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excuses are a dime a dozen. I don't see anything remotely validating any truth on either side once again. anything you consider "closed" is always reopened by you. there is no end with you. so, I'll leave it as unconfirmed....thank you. B|

Zero demands here by the way.

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Bruce from the over all email I read Skip wrote makes it OBVIOUS you are up to your usual theatoratics (I made that word up just for you).

YOU think you make yourself sound good - but, when one takes a few simple words & writes egotistical and demeaning crap you write about individuals you supposedly interviewed - well, there should be a law about that!

You have done the same thing with me in the past.

Needless to say you & Cook deserve each other. Are you sure the 2 of you are not brothers? I told you that Cook was using u, but you would not listen.

Maybe NOW you know, but your desire for GLORY will cause you to fail not as a book writer, but as a human being.

At least this incite into your inability to write about real people has been justified. Anyone you interview should be warned what to expect.

It has been obvious you exaggerate & create & write badly about anyone who does not go along with your NEED TO HAVE center stage. YOU only write what makes YOU feel good about yourself.

You ARE not concerned about the person you are writing about or the harm you cause or that your article or story has no accountability.

Example: How you conducted yourself with Tina and her Family on both sides of the USA regarding your version versus what actually transpired.

You do NOT like the fact that I call it the way I see it - you have been completely negative when it regards Weber...because you don't like the fact that I stand up to you. You get nasty and belligerent.

Maybe the FBI should investigate you regarding your past...and I do not mean what happened on the EAST coast. Does that make you a little nervous? Well, it should.

You have a very warped mind when you do not get your way.
I call it SPOILED CHILD SYNDROME!

AT least now individuals know what to expect from you if you provide them with an interview. Nothing you write will resemble the truth as the individual told it to you.

Perhaps you should stick to FICTION and not write about REAL people - since you are easily LED like a HOG to slaughter by the ring in his nose, put there to keep him from rooting where he should not.

You take a few words someone says and by the time you finish with it - what actually transpired in the interview has been completely alter to fit your NEEDS and to FEED your sick egotistical mind.

YOU do not care who you harm as long as Brucie gets his way.

YOU Bruce are the one who needs therapy and far more than what you are receiving... in your current position.

Just like what you did with the child - you made yourself out to be a hero and blasted yourself on this thread as such, but you had NOT been intouch with the authorites - I was here when the post went UP and then Quickly DOWN...You USED a child to make a hero of yourself and it was ALL a lie.

Yes, there was intervention measures taken - but NOT because of you - in fact your responses on this thread before the authorities could intervened could have had a disastrous ending.

All one has to do is read the words Skipp did write & it is very OBVIOUS you have elaborated on the conversation WAY beyond the extent of his communication skills at this time.

WHAT you didn't know was Skipp was VERY aware. Galen has you BRAIN WASHED - he has to have puppets - but, I do not know why he uses others - but he is using you as he used me.

Since Jo, Jt and Skipp all seemingly have a communication deficit - that DOES not give you the right to speak for US. Especially now that your flagrant self image has been exposed twice within the last 10 days.

Yes, I do believe that Blevins is the one who pushed the issue to write a book - and we do NOT know what information Skipp provide to Grey that was not provided to Blevins.

By the way his name is not BOBBY -so maybe we need to find belittling name for you!

I have one but I would get kicked off the thread if I used it.
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'Yes, I do believe that Blevins is the one who pushed the issue to write a book - and we do NOT know what information Skipp provide to Grey that was not provided to Blevins...'



It's the other way around. Skipp initially gave Geoff Gray the basic rundown on Christiansen, which eventually led to Gray's magazine article. But once Skipp decided he wanted to do a book on Christiansen, and he discovered Gray was working on the same thing...he did not give Gray further updates.

If you read the NYM article by Gray, you'll notice Gray doesn't mention anything about the Geestmans' or the other people I interviewed. That's because Porteous kept those things secret. Later...when I met Geoff Gray the one time at the Seattle bookstore...I gave him a flash drive with everything we had discovered on Christiansen up until that date, which was August 2010.

Gray sent me a brief email months later saying that his interest in the Cooper case had waned a bit, and he had moved on to other projects, at least to a degree. I still think he would like to know if Kenny was the guy or not, though.

Update For Bruce Smith: Porteous forwarded to me that email you sent him with all the questions. He says he's not going to answer them and won't speak with you further. You can probably figure out why without me having to say.


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"...sometimes you come on to people in a friendly way..."




True, I do. I'm a friendly guy and I like talking to people. I have been mostly friendly to Skipp, and respectful, but that doesn't mean I take everything he gives me as 100% Gospel Truth. He lied to me in 2009 over the phone when we talked about his relationship with Geoffrey, so I'm cautious.

Not a Big Lie, but a deception nonetheless, and he never apologized to me.

Plus, his/your book was a piece of crap and needed endless revisions and corrections. Worse, the cover was obscenely deceitful. "The True Story of DB Cooper" - c'mon. A pix of a well-clad skydiver with a ram-air chute in a day-light jump? I was profoundly offended.

We have discussed this aspect of your book many times, and your usual response of , "well it could be true," is too lame for me to stomach.

But you and Skipp do have a book, and that fact makes you both worthy of consideration. Now a major dispute has arisen over the credibility of the Skippy/Bobby team and Galen.

Who is telling the truth? Who is lying? What is going on? Do we have bogus emails circulating about various inboxes, distorting reputations and perspectives? Or do we have some guys in Cooper World with serious mental health issues mucking up the discussion? Do we have an Al Di of emails? The modern equivalent of the DB Cooper letter writer in the days after the skyjacking?

Maybe Galen is telling the truth about the emails in his inbox. Maybe the emails I thought that came from Skipp really didn't come from him. How could I tell?

Skipp writes that he is unable to speak on his phone, and maybe that is true. However, he sounded fine to me when we spoke in 2009 - but that was five years ago and things happen.

But you say it is very difficult for Skipp to type emails, which is what he told me as well. Yet, he has written substantive missives on his neurological condition on his Facebook page. And, as I have mentioned previously, his emails to me are comprehensible.

The Bigger Issue is why he doesn't want to defend his work on Cooper, either here or in other forums. You say he doesn't want the aggravation? Really, the guy was an undercover detective in NY for LE in drug enforcement, at least according to his bio. He can't handle the little pishers here?

Just sayin'.

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"...Update For Bruce Smith: Porteous forwarded to me that email you sent him with all the questions. He says he's not going to answer them and won't speak with you further. You can probably figure out why without me having to say..."




Nope, I can't say I know why Skippy doesn't want to answer my questions.

As a result, I am posting them here for your consideration, and to let the good folks of the DZ know what is going on.

As for why Skippy wants to clam up, here are some of the possible reasons:

1. He doesn't like Cousin Brucie.
2. He doesn't have any answers.
3. It's too difficult to type the answers, but he's able to bitch to Bobby about Brucie.
4. Too much damn work.

Nevertheless, Skippy and I exchanged about three emails today, addressing a series of issues. The last email, though, apparently was the straw that broke the camel's back. It involves Skippy's reply to a previous question and comment when Skipp said that the FBI should have interviewed NWO employees. I asked which ones, and Skippy replied, "All of them."

I was stunned by his flippancy, and the following ensued:


Questions for the Skippy/Bobby Team of Cooper Sleuths

"Could you expand, please. 'All of them' is a tad vague.

"As far as I know, the feds de-briefed the crew - Scott, Rataczak, Anderson, Schaffner, Mucklow and Hancock. Georger Harrison, NWO operators chief at Sea-Tac, worked thoroughly with the FBI through out the skyjacking. His field notes on the skyjacking are on file at the WSHM.

"Paul Sunderland, NWO operations chief at HQ in Minnie-Apple, was in constant contact with the cockpit crew and Sea-Tac. CEO Nyrop was also personally involved.

"Who else should the feds have interviewed?

"Tina's family? Her brother-in-law was a FBI field agent in San Diego and was at Reno with Tina's sister for the de-briefing. He continues to be involved in Tina's story.

"Florence? She married a cop.

"Rataczak became best friends with Ralph Himmelsbach.

"Scottie? He flew in for Himms' retirement party.

Anderson flew the 727 used for the sled test.

"Remember, Kenny didn't become a suspect until, what, 2007? Who at NWO in 1971 would know what Dan Cooper knew about parachute exits out of a 727 - speed, altitude, configurations, flaps, etc? How would you evaluate NWO staff for expertise on the 727? Where would you start? How would you select likely suspects from NWO staff?

"When I talked with Rataczak he told me that Cooper knew more about the plane than he did. Even NWO flight ops didn't know that a 727 could be flown successfully with the aft stairs deployed and needed confirmation from the CIA and Boeing that it was okay to accept Cooper's demands, which begs the question: If Kenny is DBC where did he learn about jumping from a 727?

"I know, lots of questions for a guy with communication difficulties, but these are the thoughts going on for me.

"Thanks,"

Bruce

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"...Update For Bruce Smith: Porteous forwarded to me that email you sent him with all the questions. He says he's not going to answer them and won't speak with you further. You can probably figure out why without me having to say..."




Okay, the guy wants to clam up. But the questions will go on.

Remember, when the Truth Bus comes to your town, you either get on or you don't.

Guess Skippy doesn't want to take a ride at this time.

Let me know if he ever wants me to call him a taxi.



Problem is, you don't have any respect for people and believe they somehow owe you something just because you asked. Your 'Skippy' and 'Bobby' garbage is exactly that. I advised Skipp not to answer your questions, so you can blame that on me. And he trusts me a lot more than he trusts you...or your friend Cook.

I also reviewed your questions. Not a one of them has to do with the investigation into Kenny Christiansen. They are strictly Cooper questions and you name people in those questions. Why ask me or Skipp about that? You should be going to the source, i.e. the people you named.

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'Remember, Kenny didn't become a suspect until, what, 2007? Who at NWO in 1971 would know what Dan Cooper knew about parachute exits out of a 727 - speed, altitude, configurations, flaps, etc? How would you evaluate NWO staff for expertise on the 727? Where would you start? How would you select likely suspects from NWO staff?

"When I talked with Rataczak he told me that Cooper knew more about the plane than he did. Even NWO flight ops didn't know that a 727 could be flown successfully with the aft stairs deployed and needed confirmation from the CIA and Boeing that it was okay to accept Cooper's demands, which begs the question: If Kenny is DBC where did he learn about jumping from a 727?'



We know that Bernie Geestman worked for Boeing at the time the 727 was in development. He quit NWA for a while, worked for Boeing, and then went back to NWA later as a mechanic. Later, he went to Foss Tugs in Seattle. It is also known that Boeing did tests with the stairs down on that jet. I suppose it is possible that Geestman told Kenny about these things. Scuttlebutt around Boeing on any project, then or now, was discussed endlessly by the rank and file employees. Test results might even have appeared in the employee newsletter, who knows? That's the only thing I can figure. It's either that, or the hijacker was in Vietnam I suppose. There is no way to tell for sure, though. If Kenny were proven to be the hijacker, then you could go back and probably say Geestman had something to do with those details on the 727. But that has not happened yet.


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"...Why ask me or Skipp about that?..."



I'm asking you Bobby, because you are still writing your book/screenplay/PDF/family docs, etc.

Me, I've finished my book.

Plus, your comments here have called into question the reputation of other prominent Cooper researchers. Hence, I'm checking you out. You and Skippy are the subject of my investigation.

Book #2, I suppose. "The Lies of Cooper World."

Whaddayathink?

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"EDIT for Bruce Smith and Shutter: Well, what about it boys? I invited both of you to email Skipp Porteous regarding the truth of the matter on Skipp."

So, basically you ask Bruce to email Skipp, then you turn around and tell him not to talk to him? lets end this now. just forward the email to Bruce for verification......done deal. everyone goes home. simple!
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"...Why ask me or Skipp about that?..."



I'm asking you Bobby, because you are still writing your book/screenplay/PDF/family docs, etc.

Me, I've finished my book.

Plus, your comments here have called into question the reputation of other prominent Cooper researchers. Hence, I'm checking you out. You and Skippy are the subject of my investigation.

Book #2, I suppose. "The Lies of Cooper World."

Whaddayathink?


There isn't any question about it, in my opinion...since you are asking. And not 'prominent Cooper researchers'. Just one.

Galen Cook was telling a pack of whoppers when he said he had received emails from Porteous saying Porteous was distancing himself from me personally, the book, or AB in general. Or that he was dragging Bernie Geestman to Auburn Days.

Maybe you should start with him for your new book. You really don't like it when someone comes at you with the truth, do you? Especially when you realize your own friend made a fool of you. :S You should be going to him. I would.

For example, you could ask Cook to produce even a SINGLE email he claimed to have received from Porteous on these matters. Just one.


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"...We know that Bernie Geestman worked for Boeing at the time the 727 was in development. He quit NWA for a while, worked for Boeing, and then went back to NWA later as a mechanic. Later, he went to Foss Tugs in Seattle. It is also known that Boeing did tests with the stairs down on that jet. I suppose it is possible that Geestman told Kenny about these things. Scuttlebutt around Boeing on any project, then or now, was discussed endlessly by the rank and file employees. Test results might even have appeared in the employee newsletter, who knows? That's the only thing I can figure. It's either that, or the hijacker was in Vietnam I suppose. There is no way to tell for sure, though. If Kenny were proven to be the hijacker, then you could go back and probably say Geestman had something to do with those details on the 727. But that has not happened yet."




Clever comeback, but the premise is way too thin for me. Maybe Geestman this and maybe Boeing that.

Sounds like you and Skippy have a lot of work to do.

- Where did Geestman work at Boeing?
- How easy was top-secret information available at Boeing during war time?
- how did Geestman avoid detection?

Remember, Sail and I talked with a 727 Boeing test pilot and in 1971 he didn't know that the plane could be jumped.

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"EDIT for Bruce Smith and Shutter: Well, what about it boys? I invited both of you to email Skipp Porteous regarding the truth of the matter on Skipp."

So, basically you ask Bruce to email Skipp, then you turn around and tell him not to talk to him? lets end this now. just forward the email to Bruce for verification......done deal. everyone goes home. simple!



I don't need to do that, Shutter. I already posted a screenshot of Porteous' email where he says he knows Cook has been lying about him. Go back and look. That was the purpose of encouraging you guys to ask Skipp yourself. He has given his answer. I guess I will have to post it up for you again...

Once Skipp gave his answer about Cook, I advised Skipp not to answer any more questions from Bruce Smith. Mainly because I don't believe he can be trusted. Whether you agree with that or not matters not the slightest to me. Do you know the term 'quid pro quo'? Instead of coming to me, maybe it's time you asked Galen Cook to either put up or shut up...or apologize for his lies.


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Robert, I'm not your personal assistant. it's not up to me to tell Cook anything concerning your request. I have asked him just as many time to produce something other than words. here we are again, page two of the Blevins drama. months go by asking for a simple screenshot, and it takes forever. shocked? not at all.

Hopefully when I put this in photoshop, layers will not show up. just keeping you honest ;)

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Nope, I can't say I know why Skippy doesn't want to answer my questions.




Your questions are NOT worth taking the effort to reply to....it is that simple and his name is not Skippy.

When you come off like a childish over grown Bully - NO one wants to share anything with you.

Your reputation recedes your contacting or communicating with others.

Skip is my age or older - and if he is sick and has other pursuits - you can be assured he does not want any further involvement - especially with the likes of you.

Take a good look in the mirror! Your reputation of precedes you and anyone with an ounce of sense - knows to keep their distance and be very careful what is said in your presence.

You twist and add things not related in the conversation and demean the individual! That is a FACT!

You call it creative writing, but I call it deliberate out and out slander and misrepresentation.

At first I like you, but then I learned to detest you & that will never change....you got worse as time went on.

Those who knows your reputation won't to give you the time of day.

No one here has been able to verify the ONE decent story you told and that was the inteview with Hadden. Perhaps if he read what you said - he could or would tear it apart - with disclaimers.

Did you have him sign off on the article and provide him with a signed dated copy?

Of course NOT!
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'Nope, I can't say I know why Skippy doesn't want to answer my questions...'



I will give it to you straight. Because he knows you are buddies with Cook and that Cook's been lying about him. Because Skipp knows about the flak that happened around Auburn Days at the theater because Cook couldn't stop lying about emails and Bernie Geestman. Because I told him you sometimes twist things around and can't be trusted in interviews. Because I told him whatever he says will be posted immediately to the internet. And maybe he doesn't like you referring to him as 'Skippy'. You know, it's really dumb to do that when you are trying to get an interview...

There are other reasons, but those are the main ones. :S

Despite Cook, Auburn Days went on as usual. My mom asked me to run her up a video, so I did a DVD for her and then sent the file off to YouTube.

Never forget MOM. Bad idea. :)


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Bruce you are a Parrot and everything you have written short of one interview was misrepresented or plagurized by sifting information on this thread and thru other sources.

Writing about real people requires people skills - a skill you do not have. You are just using information others have written and twisting it around then rewording it. You are encapable of being objective if you do not like the person or they do not eat out of you hand.

A book about real people and a real event has to be objective and not accusatory. You are not the judge or the attorney - and you are writing about individuals who are still living who have not been before a judge and sentenced. In matters like this it takes knowing & considering the objective goals without inflicting your own personal values.

YOU allow your own personal likes and dislikes to interfer with a real life incident -YOU are incapable of being objective. Hell, I am more objective than you are and my husband told me "I'm Dannn Cooper".
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There was a bar in Orchards and those guys will tell you the plane passed very near them....Their first thought was the jump strip just South East of their location....guess who it belonged to? None other than the subject of Bruce's last conversations.

THANKsGIVING eve & some of them were supposed to be else where that night. That bar was conveniently between to jump fields...both of which belonged to one person....

Anyone care to look up when those airfields where built or improved....you might also note even though a couple of them are gone - that they formed a triangle.

In fact Weber pointed out every airstrip & Sluggo did verify they was airstrips in those areas. One airstrip didn't show on the map, but an older map was located that showed it had actually been there in the past.

In fact someone took my OLD airport map or I left it in Wa in 2010....there was NOT another one like it. Dated to the 1940's/1950 so it showed the gravel pits and the airstrips. If anyone knows how to acquire that old map please let me know how I can get another one. The one I had was a copy and I do not remember who supplied that map. Had a tool for the gravel pits and a small plane for the air strips.

Some one got that map for me in the early yrs and sent it to me. Might have been Jerry Thomas or Himmelsbach.

Duane pointed out two airstrip near Amboy - Fauger west of Amboy and one just North/East of Amboy

Strange how some Cooper seekers forget about these little thing that were actually investigated by the FBI as a result of the skyjacking..

Too much of the real history and knowledge of that night has been swallowed up by time.

:|
The FBI and the government did NOT send all of those searchers to the West - they sent them to the most logical place and that was based on data they had and witness accounts and the crew....and the radar.

Ask yourselves why after all of these yrs - would others try to move the landing zone - because Cooper got the best of them & no one wants to admit this - Cooper got away clean.

The money find is the only thing that has shifted or created theories about the plane being further to the West. Don't you guys get it - that was the purpose!
Why Duane did what he did - at that time he just wanted to leave the damaged money behind - no one could spend it after all those yrs in that storage shed and it had been wet....

Mattie Findley had a son who was a jumper and Duane knew both of them. Mattie Findley knew Mildred Ford....how are the connected? Answer that and the case is solved.

It is noted that no one answers my questions, but I have to stated them because the clues to Cooper are right here in this thread but, no one knows where to look or they just want the mystery to continue on till the 50 yr mark, because if the case was solve they would not have a life.

Maybe it is because the truth if ever known it might cause others to be dissed for not having solved it yrs ago or that others where actually involved....Truth is Cooper just outwitted them all...or was there more than one Cooper?

Maybe Cooper had help and maybe he just got lucky.

Sluggo was amazed I knew where all of the airstips were - Duane pointed them out and the told me about all of them - even the one Sluggo had forgotten about that was no longer there.

So what did Cooper do in his real ife....he helped build airstrips and towers and airport in the STATES of WA & OR and ID.

If he did that in 1945 to 1950 or 1962 to 1966 - the FBI would HAVE no record of that employment and NO one would remember a worker building an airstrip. The Towers took knowledge and NOW I know how Duane knew so damn much about communications and towers - things a normal person would have NO knowledge of.

The FBI was looking for a jumper or a pilot or military...they didn't look at the common labor who built the towers, who cleared the land and helped build the airstrips.

All of this also took knowledge of knowing where the rock quarries were located....something Duane knew and talked about. NOW you guys figure it out - I have already done it.

Was there more than one person - well, it was pretty damn hard for more than one person to keep a secret from 1971 to 1995, but I do know that others knew who Cooper was or suspected who he was - but did not know him by his real name.
Who else was involved we may never know.

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Well folks, the Truth Bus is rollin' across the prairie and headin' to your town. Here are some of the Truth Options you can consider as you speed across AAmerica.


Pick as many as you like:

1. Galen is lying.
2. Galen is telling the truth but he is receiving bogus emails and phone calls from Skippy.
3. Skippy's emails to me are real and legitimately express how he feels, medically and Cooper-wise.
4. Skippy's emails are bogus.
5. Someone is posing as Skippy and sending out emails in his name.
6. Bobby B is lying.
7. Bobby B is telling the truth but is being played by Skippy, or some third party.
8. Cousin Brucie is lying.
9. Cousin Brucie is not lying, just having another Royalty moment.
10. Skippy is incredibly obtuse, disinterested, and simple-minded. Hence, Bobby is a beacon of intellectual power, which blows our minds.
11. Skippy is lying to Galen, Bobby and Cousin Brucie, or some combination of all three.
12. Someone posing as Skippy is lying to everybody, all or most of the time.

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Well folks, the Truth Bus is rollin' across the prairie and headin' to your town. Here are some of the Truth Options you can consider as you speed across AAmerica.


Pick as many as you like:

1. Galen is lying.
2. Galen is telling the truth but he is receiving bogus emails and phone calls from Skippy.
3. Skippy's emails to me are real and legitimately express how he feels, medically and Cooper-wise.
4. Skippy's emails are bogus.
5. Someone is posing as Skippy and sending out emails in his name.
6. Bobby B is lying.
7. Bobby B is telling the truth but is being played by Skippy, or some third party.
8. Cousin Brucie is lying.
9. Cousin Brucie is not lying, just having another Royalty moment.
10. Skippy is incredibly obtuse, disinterested, and simple-minded. Hence, Bobby is a beacon of intellectual power, which blows our minds.
11. Skippy is lying to Galen, Bobby and Cousin Brucie, or some combination of all three.
12. Someone posing as Skippy is lying to everybody, all or most of the time.



I would say your 'Truth Bus' went off the road somewhere NE of Albuquerque.

I pick Number 1 as the most likely answer. Nothing like watching desperate damage control at work, especially when it involves a friend. That type of behavior goes to credibility, of course. I'll hand it to you for loyalty, though. :S


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PLEASE READ - THIS IS AN EDIT
FOR SOME REASON I AM DRIVEN TO FINISH THIS NOW IT IS 5 am MY TIME AND I HAVE ANOTHER LONG ONE AFTER THIS - IT WAS PART OF THIS POST BUT I CUT IT OFF:


skyjack71


There was a bar in Orchards and those guys will tell you the plane passed very near them....Their first thought was the jump strip just South East of their location....guess who it belonged to? None other than the subject of Bruce's last conversations.

THANKsGIVING eve & some of them were supposed to be else where that night. That bar was conveniently between to jump fields...both of which belonged to one person....

Anyone care to look up when those airfields where built or improved....you might also note even though a couple of them are gone - that they formed a triangle.

In fact Weber pointed out every airstrip & Sluggo did verify they was airstrips in those areas. One airstrip didn't show on the map, but an older map was located that showed it had actually been there in the past.

In fact someone took my OLD airport map or I left it in Wa in 2010....there was NOT another one like it. Dated to the 1940's/1950 so it showed the gravel pits and the airstrips. If anyone knows how to acquire that old map please let me know how I can get another one. The one I had was a copy and I do not remember who supplied that map. Had a tool for the gravel pits and a small plane for the air strips.

Som one got that map for me in the early yrs and sent it to me. Might have been Jerry Thomas or Himmelsbach.

Duane pointed out two airstrip near Amboy - Fauger west of Amboy and one just North/East of Amboy

Strange how some Cooper seekers forget about these little thing that were actually investigated by the FBI as a result of the skyjacking..

Too much of the real history and knowledge of that night has been swallowed up by time.

:|;):P
The FBI & the government did NOT send all of those searchers to the West - they sent them to the most logical place & that was based on data they had and witness accounts and the crew....and the radar.

Ask yourselves why after all of these yrs - would others try to move the landing zone - because Cooper got the best of them & no one wants to admit this - Cooper got away clean.

The money find is the only thing that has shifted or created theories about the plane being further to the West. Don't you guys get it - that was the purpose!
Why Duane did what he did - at that time he just wanted to leave the damaged money behind - no one could spend it after all those yrs in that storage shed and it had been wet....

Mattie Findley had a son who was a jumper and Duane knew both of them. Mattie Findley knew Mildred Ford....how are the connected? Answer that and the case is solved.

It is noted that no one answers my questions, but I have to stated them because the clues to Cooper are right here in this thread but, no one knows where to look or they just want the mystery to continue on till the 50 yr mark, because if the case was solve they would not have a life.

Maybe it is because the truth if ever known it might cause others to be dissed for not having solved it yrs ago or that others where actually involved....Truth is Cooper just outwitted them all...or was there more than one Cooper?

Maybe Cooper had help and maybe he just got lucky.

Sluggo was amazed I knew where all of the airstips were - Duane pointed them out and the told me about all of them - even the one Sluggo had forgotten about that was no longer there.

So what did Cooper do in his real ife....he helped build airstrips and towers and airports in the STATES of WA & OR and ID.

If he did that in 1945 to 1950 or 1962 to 1966 - the FBI would HAVE no record of that employment and NO one would remember a worker building an airstrip. The Towers took knowledge and NOW I know how Duane knew so damn much about communications and towers - things a normal person would have NO knowledge of.

The FBI was looking for a jumper or a pilot or military...they didn't look at the common labor who built the towers, who cleared the land and helped build the airstrips.

All of this also took knowledge of knowing where the rock quarries were located....something Duane knew and talked about. NOW you guys figure it out - I have already done it.

Was there more than one person - well, it was pretty damn hard for more than one person to keep a secret from 1971 to 1995, but I do know that others knew who Cooper was or suspected who he was - but did not know him by his real name.
Who else was involved we may never know.



If I know - I am not telling, but hope there is one still alive to finish what was started....or perhaps shared his or her knowledge with someone they could trust.

Having a name that could NOT be traced - was a factor....but NO one looked for that man who removed the trees and cleared the land and carried the quarry goods and went with the others to airports when work or a new job was coming down. Just a guy NO one gave a second thought to...a guy that was a hard worker but eager to learn and was quick to pick up on things.

He was a likable character, but he was a ghost.

Tosaw was sitting on top of the truth - but for some reason looked right thru it....as so many including myself have done over the yrs. Duane actually told me the truth, but it has taken me 18 yrs to unravel it.

After Duane died my door had a forced entry, but nothing seemed to be taken - the FIRE IRONS - the tops where askew and one was on the floor - a little something even I forgot about....Since we had been robbed when we first moved there in 1988 - I did not turn in a burgarly report in 1995 - because nothing to my knowledge was missing. Figured it was kids.

I did put an alarm on the door.
If the person only found a few 20's and an old ticket - bet they were disappointed. I have tried to figure out who Duane would have told.

There could have been a note in the wallet that was found.

He could have told one of the care givers to give me a message, but instead thought it might be jewelry.

One person told me Duane had promised his rings to him/her, but I knew that was not true as we had little to spare. There was a man coming around - but I didn't know him - he was younger than Duane.
Remember the shop was broken into - and they took something, but Duane never told me what was missing from behind the door...nothing obvious was missing from the shop but the entered thru a window after tearing out the AC. Duane went immediately the door of the work room and said 'Damn they got it".

He never told me who got what!
Nothing in the shop was missing other than what was behind that door. He was upset, but he always kept his cool - he was able to hide his feeling about things.

So are these just incidents - I think not. IF something OBVIOUS had been taken - but, in every incident - it was NOT obvious other than the first robbery - that one we knew it was the man who helped us unload the furniture. Duane had given him a check to put up a fence while we were gone...and when we got home we had been robbed and there was no fence.

The man had a rap sheet so long it was pathetic...they never found our stuff....TV, Microwave, anything they could sell. Took boxes I had not unpacked - my family heirlooms - which I had label MY TREASURES. I think they were after a line of jewelry I was selling, but I had take it with me to service an acct along the way...now I forgot where we had to go as soon as we moved into the house and before I could unpack everything.
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If I am right about the price of gold being the motive, then it explains why the money was on Tena bar. He was making a point. We know the money was found in 1980 when gold hit 615 an ounce. Somewhere in 1979, it got between 306 and 615 an ounce. $344.82 x 580 = about $200,000 So I think he is saying here is the equivalent of 200,000- I owe you nothing! 580, 0ne ounce bars x 10 ($ ten a bar,get it?) =$5800 dollars. So we can say with in a week when that money was put on the bar- who was on vacation?

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If I am right about the price of gold being the motive, then it explains why the money was on Tena bar. He was making a point. We know the money was found in 1980 when gold hit 615 an ounce. Somewhere in 1979, it got between 306 and 615 an ounce. $344.82 x 580 = about $200,000 So I think he is saying here is the equivalent of 200,000- I owe you nothing! 580, 0ne ounce bars x 10 ($ ten a bar,get it?) =$5800 dollars. So we can say with in a week when that money was put on the bar- who was on vacation?



I have a different theory. I think the money was originally in another container, such as a heavy paper bag, and was tossed into the Columbia, eventually washing up on Tina Bar. From the evidence on the condition of the found money (source: www.citizensleuths.com) it seems unlikely the money was deposited anywhere at all at the time of the actual hijacking, but LATER.

The most obvious motivation to try doing a red herring like this could be the issuance of the John Doe warrant against the hijacker in November, 1976.

Explanation for Cooper Novices: At the time of the Cooper hijacking, the Statute of Limitations on air piracy was five years, although this was later changed. But for Cooper, it was five years. As the statute was about to expire, a couple of FBI agents and a Federal prosecutor went in front of a judge in Portland, OR and requested a 'John Doe' warrant that would allow the FBI to bypass the statute and continue their search for the hijacker. (Warrants are issued based on IDENTITY. They must contain a name, generally. Since the FBI was unable to identify Cooper, there was never a warrant for his arrest issued. Just a wanted poster. And something like that falls under a Statute of Limitations.)

This is a reletively unusual move, and not always granted by Federal judges, who might see this warrant as a bypass around certain Constitutional guarantees. But the judge decided to issue the warrant anyway, restricting it to only the hijacker himself, and not any possible accomplices. The issuance of the warrant made the news, and was probably known to the hijacker.

So...instead of being free and clear on the five-year anniversary of the hijacking...Cooper would know the FBI could continue to look for him for the rest of his life. This could motivate him to try and throw off the FBI with a plant near the river. Planting money in the forest for example, would not work. The FBI, should they discover such money, would search the area...and finding nothing else they would assume the hijacker was still alive. (Not finding parachutes, body, or remainder of the money) It wasn't until they found the money on the banks of the Columbia that some FBI agents began saying that Cooper must have died in the jump, i.e. he went into the Columbia, and that's why there wasn't any body or other evidence found. They also began scaling back the search for the hijacker after that time, although they still investigated the incoming tips sometimes.

In a way, if this was the reason the money ended up at Tina Bar, then the hijacker succeeded to a degree. Cooper must have been extremely upset when he discovered the FBI had bypassed the statute on him. Can you imagine it? Maybe he's got that date marked on his calendar. Maybe a party on November 25th to celebrate how he got away with it? And then...the news comes on telling him the FBI found a friendly Federal judge down in Portland at the very last minute before the statute was due to expire. Bummer. [:/]


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A bar in Orchards
3 Towers 3 Airfields
Cooper knows owners of all 3

In fact Weber pointed out every airstrip & Sluggo did verify they was airstrips in those areas. One airstrip didn't show on the map, but an older map was located that showed it had actually been there in the past.

Old airstrip map dared to the 1940's/1950 so it showed the gravel pits and the airstrips.
A map I had that went POOF and Sluggo saw it. Then he find there was indeed an airstrip there that no longer existed.

How could I know this if Duane didn't tell me?

Duane pointed out two airstrip near Amboy - Fauger west of Amboy and one just North/East of Amboy

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The FBI and the government did NOT send all of those searchers to the West - they sent them to the most logical place and that was based on data they had and witness accounts and the crew....and the radar.

Only those without a solid reason keep trying to move the possible landing area. Their only objective is to force facts to support their verson of the money find.

The money find did just that it shifted or created theories about the plane being further to the West. Don't you guys get it - that was the purpose!

Why Duane did what he did - at that time he just wanted by leaving only the damaged money.

to leave the damaged money behind - no one could spend it after all those yrs in that storage shed and it had been wet....

Mattie Findley had a son who was a jumper and Duane knew both of them. Mattie Findley knew Mildred Ford....how are the connected? Answer that and the case is solved.

The clues to Cooper are right here in this thread but, no one knows where to look or they just want the GAME to continue.

Game over ....Truth is Cooper just outwitted them all...or was there more than one Cooper?

Duane pointed them out every air strip and gravel pit. WHY?

So what did Cooper do in his real ife....he helped build airstrips and towers and airport in the STATES of WA & OR and ID.

If he did that in 1945 to 1950 or 1962 to 1966 - using an alias. Maybe even his real name.

Knowledge of communication towers and signals.

The FBI didn't look at the common labor who built the towers, who cleared the land and helped build the airstrips.

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***If I am right about the price of gold being the motive, then it explains why the money was on Tena bar. He was making a point. We know the money was found in 1980 when gold hit 615 an ounce. Somewhere in 1979, it got between 306 and 615 an ounce. $344.82 x 580 = about $200,000 So I think he is saying here is the equivalent of 200,000- I owe you nothing! 580, 0ne ounce bars x 10 ($ ten a bar,get it?) =$5800 dollars. So we can say with in a week when that money was put on the bar- who was on vacation?




I have a different theory. I think the money was originally in another container, such as a heavy paper bag, and was tossed into the Columbia, eventually washing up on Tina Bar. From the evidence on the condition of the found money (source: www.citizensleuths.com) it seems unlikely the money was deposited anywhere at all at the time of the actual hijacking, but LATER.

The most obvious motivation to try doing a red herring like this could be the issuance of the John Doe warrant against the hijacker in November, 1976.

Explanation for Cooper Novices: At the time of the Cooper hijacking, the Statute of Limitations on air piracy was five years, although this was later changed. But for Cooper, it was five years. As the statute was about to expire, a couple of FBI agents and a Federal prosecutor went in front of a judge in Portland, OR and requested a 'John Doe' warrant that would allow the FBI to bypass the statute and continue their search for the hijacker. (Warrants are issued based on IDENTITY. They must contain a name, generally. Since the FBI was unable to identify Cooper, there was never a warrant for his arrest issued. Just a wanted poster. And something like that falls under a Statute of Limitations.)

This is a reletively unusual move, and not always granted by Federal judges, who might see this warrant as a bypass around certain Constitutional guarantees. But the judge decided to issue the warrant anyway, restricting it to only the hijacker himself, and not any possible accomplices. The issuance of the warrant made the news, and was probably known to the hijacker.

So...instead of being free and clear on the five-year anniversary of the hijacking...Cooper would know the FBI could continue to look for him for the rest of his life. This could motivate him to try and throw off the FBI with a plant near the river. Planting money in the forest for example, would not work. The FBI, should they discover such money, would search the area...and finding nothing else they would assume the hijacker was still alive. (Not finding parachutes, body, or remainder of the money) It wasn't until they found the money on the banks of the Columbia that some FBI agents began saying that Cooper must have died in the jump, i.e. he went into the Columbia, and that's why there wasn't any body or other evidence found. They also began scaling back the search for the hijacker after that time, although they still investigated the incoming tips sometimes.

In a way, if this was the reason the money ended up at Tina Bar, then the hijacker succeeded to a degree. Cooper must have been extremely upset when he discovered the FBI had bypassed the statute on him. Can you imagine it? Maybe he's got that date marked on his calendar. Maybe a party on November 25th to celebrate how he got away with it? And then...the news comes on telling him the FBI found a friendly Federal judge down in Portland at the very last minute before the statute was due to expire. Bummer. [:/]

So he put the money in another container? What then, if they money is found inside this "other container"? That would seem to indicate that Cooper lived, otherwise how did he put the money in this other container?

Secondly, haven't tests showed that this money would not float very long?

Third, a plant only works if the money is found. How did KC insure that the money would be found, but yet that the "other container" would be gone by then?

This theory is full of holes.
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