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Fowl language is unnecessary. YOU resort to that when you get cornered.

Shutter restricted your postings on the other site then you weaseled your way back into this one after or just before Quade left. Quade was very generous in allowing this thread to stand.

You cannot seem to live without the filty language & the sexual expletives. Wasn't that what you were ban for the last time?

Shutter keeps a tight grip on you in the other thread, but you started acting like the irate raging & confrontal person asked to leave the DZ in the past. NOW you are BACK in the DZ and with your fantasies and horrid smut remarks about others.

Shutter runs a tight ship - and he kept the boundaries tight on you.
Fortunately I am very aware and your actions here are self explanatory.

I am not going to expose your sordid past on this thread - but maybe someone else will. You are your own worse enemy!

The Cooper story does have an ending and it does NOT involve you.

You wonder WHY you are not recieved well by those involved over the yrs. Just look in the Mirror and tell yourself one of the stories you recite as truths about others.

You do not have the credentialsl to judge others but you seem to do it everyday....if anyone disagrees with you, then your frustration is filled with expletives & conjectures & anything negative you can conjure up about that person.

IT is ALL about making Brucie feel good about himself. Now take a GOOD look in the mirror and ask yourself why NO one WANTS you around....WHY you are alone and will remain alone for the rest of your life.

I am tired & I am not supposed to be up this late....ODD how you got the moderator to delete the kids post but NOT yours.
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'Adults' you say? He's so different from all of us, or you, or even ME for that matter? Get real.

You're pointing fingers at some autistic kid who may not know better on internet manners and protocol...while some of the adults who have posted here got themselves banned for REALLY bad behavior. That kid's posts are no worse than anybody else's I've seen.

For example, MeyerLouie was banned from Dropzone for using the 'F' word in multiple personal attacks against actual users here. Until he was BANNED FOR LIFE. And he's not the only "'adult' this has happened to here. For the most part, the kid's comments were pretty tame, and fairly juvenile.

I suppose it was appropriate for Bruce Smith to make a couple of phone calls, whatever on behalf of the kid because of that one post. But to broadcast his actions publicly with one nauseating 'update' after another is something else. It's self-serving and hasn't a thing to do with any real concern. I did the same thing, but I did it privately and I'm not going to be so crass as to post my results publicly."



Meyer asked to be removed. I've told you this before. regardless of any mental state a kid/child doesn't belong on a forum such as this. your proof of the behavior is showing to be true by claiming most are no better than what a child says on here, but the real point here is a minor does not belong here. there is a option on registering onto forums. most have an age limit of 18, or written permission required. there are reasons for that. once again the proof is exposed here. just look back a couple pages and see what a minor/child/kid can cause being on an adult forum!

I'm pointing a finger at a person who doesn't belong here. if he didn't have autism the answer would still remain. kids don't belong here. if you still approve of children being on this forum then you are no different than the administration allowing this to continue, and allowing it to once again stop the DB Cooper thread from serving it's purpose. you are always at the core of the problems that halt this forum from being productive.

As mentioned above. this has nothing to do with Andy's mental state. I don't approve of anyone under the age of 18 on adult forums. the actions of some adults doesn't give the right to allow children onto a forum Robert.

I currently have registration on my forum blocked until I get a good spam guard. when it resumes I will have the limit in place to stop anything like this from happening. it's already a breath of fresh air by not having to bicker back and forth with people like what happens on this forum. this is due to your permanent ban on that forum B|

My name is Dave Brown, and I DON'T approve of any of this!

ADDED: Now, since this post will end up under a microscope I would like to point out that if a minor was a member of a suspects family, and could contribute to the forum. I wouldn't have a problem allowing that person to speak. Andy seems to be basically using this forum as a public PM, or email to you. he doesn't understand things which I fully understand. I just don't approve of him being allowed to comment. twist and turn it as you wish, but I don't approve of kids actively joining in without any supervision what so ever!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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1. learn how to skydive
2. immerse yourself in the culture
3. hangout at the fire pit afterhours
4. repeat for multiple years

after awhile... you will figure it out!



Been doin that since 68. It helped me figure out a few things but not Norjack.

How the hell did that Cooper money get to Tina Bar?

I sure miss WFFC. It was like a mainline hit of skydiving culture and the party often lasted ten days. Day trips to the local DZ just aren't the same thing.

Welcome back gkc1436.

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Update on Andy, Monday, 3 pm-ish PT


Danielle Poppens called me this afternoon, and we had a warm, substantive chat about her son and the DZ. In short, Andy is fine and not suicidal.

In addition, she thanked me for my concern, and the actions that I and others have taken regarding her son's welfare.

Other points of importance:

1. She was away with Andy for the weekend, apparently, and is only now learning about the whirlwind.

2. She has begun the process of sorting things out with CPS and Andy's school.

3. She has begun reading some of her son's posts on the DZ to see for herself what the fuss has been.

4. She told me that she does not think that Robert M Blevins has a relationship with her son outside of the DZ.

Ms. Poppens sounds like a solid, capable mom, and has a sense of humor. When we said our goodbyes, I concluded with "Let's Go Mets," and she replied - "No, Go Braves!"

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***Just another day in paradise by the look of things. How bout a change of topic that involves a little less tension?

Anyone care to tell the new kid on the block a bit about Ted Mayfield?




Well, Shutter is able to see "dead people" so to speak, but Ted E kills them, at least that's what a court decided in terms of convicting him for causing the death of two of his skydiving students. I also understand that a bunch more died over the years at his DZ, 20 or so, I think.

Ted E's guys also had a run-in with RH-1 at Aurora State Airport, which caused a lot of grief over unsafe conditions.

But the Big Question is how Ted E helped RH-1 and the Bureau during their Norjak investigation, as RH-1 states in his book.

I called Ted E to see what was cookin', but he hung up on me. I don't know if you can call Ted E a murderer, but I didn't think he would be so sensitive....

I find it funny that so many Norjak principals love to live under or near the Victor 23 airway. RH-1 and Tina sure do, and Ted E is just west of Tina on the way to the beach. Plus, Lee and Jane aren't that far away, either, in the Puget Sound area near Olympia.

The Ted E Not-Fan Club is quite large, as I think 9 people called the night of the skyjacking to tell the FBI that Ted E did it. But RH-1 was on the phone with Ted E, so the feds thought he had a pretty good alibi.

Why Ted E gets so much attention is a mystery to me, as he is about a half-foot too short and about ten-fifteen years younger than DB Cooper.

Speaking of things in Oregon, have you heard about the interview with Tina that got published in the Eugene Weekly? I'm following up on it. Not sure it's legit or what, but she claims that she flew NWO routes to the Orient for five years after the Cooper incident.

Kind of shoots the KC theory, eh?

Also, Tina says she was flying with NWO until 1982, which is weird. Sister Elizabeth Mary told me she was already in the convent by then.

Hmmmmmmm.

One last thing about Ted E. Divorzic (spelling?) and Meyers really got under Georger's skin. Since G-1 is no longer here, you might go to Shut's site and ask the Old Man about Ted and the two would-be sleuths

Is the Ted E you are referring to Ted Mayfield?

Assuming that's the case, are you saying Ralph Himmelsbach claimed in "Norjak the Investigation of D B Cooper" that Ted Mayfield helped the Bureau during their investigation??

Please correct me if I'm reading the cards wrong here.

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"Is the Ted E you are referring to Ted Mayfield?

Assuming that's the case, are you saying Ralph Himmelsbach claimed in "Norjak the Investigation of D B Cooper" that Ted Mayfield helped the Bureau during their investigation??

Please correct me if I'm reading the cards wrong here."




Correct. Ted E is Ted E Mayfield. Sorry, if I was too flippant.

Yes, Ralph Himmelsbach wrote in his book that Ted E Mayfield helped in the FBI investigation of the DB Cooper skyjacking. However, Ralph did not disclose the specifics of that assistance, nor has he ever commented on it, as far as I know, even though he has been asked to do so by researchers,

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Ralph Hatley called me today, finally responding to my phone message of many weeks ago. Here is my report:
*******************************

I spoke with Ralph Hatley on Monday, August 25, 2014.

Ralph is a noted, long-time skydiver and owner of a DZ in Eagle Creek, Oregon. He is very familiar with the DB Cooper skyjacking and knows many of the principals in the case. Here are the highlights of the conversation.

“Yes, Earl Cossey and I were good friends,” he told me straightaway. “We made many jumps together.”

Ralph is a no-nonsense kind of guy so I got right to the point about Coss.

“What do you think about his murder?” I asked.

“I think he caught a guy burglarizing his house,” Ralph replied.

“Do you think his murder had anything to do with the DB Cooper case?”

“Absolutely not,” Ralph said, and he began a long soliloquy about Earl Cossey, the rigger and controversial technical expert for the FBI in the Norjak case.

Ralph said that he knew Cossey “quite well,” and they had many conversations about DB Cooper. Essentially, they both felt that Cooper made it to the ground successfully, so much so that he was able to truck out of the woods with all of his gear. Hatley said that he and Coss never doubted that Cooper had made it, and he stated that all “real” skydivers felt the same.

“Cossey told me the FBI were just a bunch of idiots,” Ralph said, “But a few of them were decent, such as Ralph Himmelsbach, who is a personal friend of mine.

Ralph Hatley (RH-2) continued and said that he had told Ralph Himmelsbach (RH-1) that many of his Norjak theories were “far-fetched,” especially the notion that DB Cooper died in the jump because he was an inexperienced skydiver.

When I asked him about DB Cooper, Hatley laughed loud and long although I wasn't sure why. Nevertheless, Hatley launched another commentary on the skyjacking.

“The night of the skyjacking I was contacted by the feds. ’Ralph,’ they said, do you know a skydiver named Dan Cooper?’”

“’Sure,” I told them. He’s a guy from Moses Lake.’”

RH-2 said that the feds didn't quite believe him and thought that Cooper died in his getaway, or was too afraid to leave his airplane.

“I was laughing my ass off when the aircraft landed in Reno, sparks flying, and they couldn't find the skyjacker,” said Hatley.

At this point I challenged Ralph about the many statements Earl Cossey made to the media, including during several interviews with me, that DB Cooper was an incompetent “no-pull” who cratered into the ground on his getaway jump.

“Bullshit!” Ralph roared. “We all knew that the perpetrator made it.”

In further discussion, Hatley adamantly claimed that Cossey believed DB Cooper made a successful jump.

Along those lines, Hatley said that DB Cooper “had some knowledge.” He said the skyjacking was “well-planned”

“Cooper picked a parachute that was not a regular skydiving parachute. He picked an NB-8 or an NB-6, whatever, and that was smart because it had a rigging card and a rigger’s packing pin, so he knew the chute hadn’t been opened and tracking devices put inside.”

At this point, Ralph became very coy and challenged me to study the flight path and call him after I had a precise understanding of the details. After much prodding, Ralph relented and told me that he felt DB Cooper jumped over Battleground WA, and this location was very fortuitous because it contained a DZ that was owned by Ralph.

“I knew the area very well. I’d made a couple thousand jumps in that area, and I could do it under the same conditions and they’d never find me either.”

Ralph also said that he volunteered to simulate the exact jump – weather, clothing and gear, for a “substantial fee” - but the FBI declined his offer.

Ralph also said that DB Cooper was not alone.

“How do you know that, Ralph?” I asked.

“Well, that’s a long story, and I might tell you if we’re face-to-face and I feel like I’m in a good mood,” he replied, laughing. “But I told Ralph Himmelsbach. My story is impossible to verify, though.”

Ralph also said that the money found at Tina Bar in 1980 was “tossed into the Columbia at the Washougal Bridge.”

At this point I promised to meet with Ralph in the near future to continue our conversations, which seemed to be tip-toeing into delicate areas.


© 2014 Bruce A. Smith

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"Is the Ted E you are referring to Ted Mayfield?

Assuming that's the case, are you saying Ralph Himmelsbach claimed in "Norjak the Investigation of D B Cooper" that Ted Mayfield helped the Bureau during their investigation??

Please correct me if I'm reading the cards wrong here."




Correct. Ted E is Ted E Mayfield. Sorry, if I was too flippant.

Yes, Ralph Himmelsbach wrote in his book that Ted E Mayfield helped in the FBI investigation of the DB Cooper skyjacking. However, Ralph did not disclose the specifics of that assistance, nor has he ever commented on it, as far as I know, even though he has been asked to do so by researchers,



Perhaps RH saw Ted M as some sort of Frank Abagnale?

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"Is the Ted E you are referring to Ted Mayfield?

Assuming that's the case, are you saying Ralph Himmelsbach claimed in "Norjak the Investigation of D B Cooper" that Ted Mayfield helped the Bureau during their investigation??

Please correct me if I'm reading the cards wrong here."




Correct. Ted E is Ted E Mayfield. Sorry, if I was too flippant.

Yes, Ralph Himmelsbach wrote in his book that Ted E Mayfield helped in the FBI investigation of the DB Cooper skyjacking. However, Ralph did not disclose the specifics of that assistance, nor has he ever commented on it, as far as I know, even though he has been asked to do so by researchers,



Perhaps RH saw Ted M as some sort of Frank Abagnale?

Frank Abagnale? The name is vaguely familiar, but please refresh my memory.

After Google search:


Ah, yes, the Catch Me If You Can , guy.

Hmmm. Mayfield is slimier, imo. He kills people. And he won't talk to me.

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Ralph Hatley called me today, finally responding to my phone message of many weeks ago. Here is my report:
*******************************

I spoke with Ralph Hatley on Monday, August 25, 2014.

Ralph is a noted, long-time skydiver and owner of a DZ in Eagle Creek, Oregon. He is very familiar with the DB Cooper skyjacking and knows many of the principals in the case. Here are the highlights of the conversation.

“Yes, Earl Cossey and I were good friends,” he told me straightaway. “We made many jumps together.”

Ralph is a no-nonsense kind of guy so I got right to the point about Coss.

“What do you think about his murder?” I asked.

“I think he caught a guy burglarizing his house,” Ralph replied.

“Do you think his murder had anything to do with the DB Cooper case?”

“Absolutely not,” Ralph said, and he began a long soliloquy about Earl Cossey, the rigger and controversial technical expert for the FBI in the Norjak case.

Ralph said that he knew Cossey “quite well,” and they had many conversations about DB Cooper. Essentially, they both felt that Cooper made it to the ground successfully, so much so that he was able to truck out of the woods with all of his gear. Hatley said that he and Coss never doubted that Cooper had made it, and he stated that all “real” skydivers felt the same.

“Cossey told me the FBI were just a bunch of idiots,” Ralph said, “But a few of them were decent, such as Ralph Himmelsbach, who is a personal friend of mine.

Ralph Hatley (RH-2) continued and said that he had told Ralph Himmelsbach (RH-1) that many of his Norjak theories were “far-fetched,” especially the notion that DB Cooper died in the jump because he was an inexperienced skydiver.

When I asked him about DB Cooper, Hatley laughed loud and long although I wasn't sure why. Nevertheless, Hatley launched another commentary on the skyjacking.

“The night of the skyjacking I was contacted by the feds. ’Ralph,’ they said, do you know a skydiver named Dan Cooper?’”

“’Sure,” I told them. He’s a guy from Moses Lake.’”

RH-2 said that the feds didn't quite believe him and thought that Cooper died in his getaway, or was too afraid to leave his airplane.

“I was laughing my ass off when the aircraft landed in Reno, sparks flying, and they couldn't find the skyjacker,” said Hatley.

At this point I challenged Ralph about the many statements Earl Cossey made to the media, including during several interviews with me, that DB Cooper was an incompetent “no-pull” who cratered into the ground on his getaway jump.

“Bullshit!” Ralph roared. “We all knew that the perpetrator made it.”

In further discussion, Hatley adamantly claimed that Cossey believed DB Cooper made a successful jump.

Along those lines, Hatley said that DB Cooper “had some knowledge.” He said the skyjacking was “well-planned”

“Cooper picked a parachute that was not a regular skydiving parachute. He picked an NB-8 or an NB-6, whatever, and that was smart because it had a rigging card and a rigger’s packing pin, so he knew the chute hadn’t been opened and tracking devices put inside.”

At this point, Ralph became very coy and challenged me to study the flight path and call him after I had a precise understanding of the details. After much prodding, Ralph relented and told me that he felt DB Cooper jumped over Battleground WA, and this location was very fortuitous because it contained a DZ that was owned by Ralph.

“I knew the area very well. I’d made a couple thousand jumps in that area, and I could do it under the same conditions and they’d never find me either.”

Ralph also said that he volunteered to simulate the exact jump – weather, clothing and gear, for a “substantial fee” - but the FBI declined his offer.

Ralph also said that DB Cooper was not alone.

“How do you know that, Ralph?” I asked.

“Well, that’s a long story, and I might tell you if we’re face-to-face and I feel like I’m in a good mood,” he replied, laughing. “But I told Ralph Himmelsbach. My story is impossible to verify, though.”

Ralph also said that the money found at Tina Bar in 1980 was “tossed into the Columbia at the Washougal Bridge.”

At this point I promised to meet with Ralph in the near future to continue our conversations, which seemed to be tip-toeing into delicate areas.

© 2014 Bruce A. Smith



I bet the hairs on your neck stood up when you heard all that.

A most interesting little chat!

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***Ralph Hatley called me today, finally responding to my phone message of many weeks ago. Here is my report:
*******************************

I spoke with Ralph Hatley on Monday, August 25, 2014.

Ralph is a noted, long-time skydiver and owner of a DZ in Eagle Creek, Oregon. He is very familiar with the DB Cooper skyjacking and knows many of the principals in the case. Here are the highlights of the conversation.

“Yes, Earl Cossey and I were good friends,” he told me straightaway. “We made many jumps together.”

Ralph is a no-nonsense kind of guy so I got right to the point about Coss.

“What do you think about his murder?” I asked.

“I think he caught a guy burglarizing his house,” Ralph replied.

“Do you think his murder had anything to do with the DB Cooper case?”

“Absolutely not,” Ralph said, and he began a long soliloquy about Earl Cossey, the rigger and controversial technical expert for the FBI in the Norjak case.

Ralph said that he knew Cossey “quite well,” and they had many conversations about DB Cooper. Essentially, they both felt that Cooper made it to the ground successfully, so much so that he was able to truck out of the woods with all of his gear. Hatley said that he and Coss never doubted that Cooper had made it, and he stated that all “real” skydivers felt the same.

“Cossey told me the FBI were just a bunch of idiots,” Ralph said, “But a few of them were decent, such as Ralph Himmelsbach, who is a personal friend of mine.

Ralph Hatley (RH-2) continued and said that he had told Ralph Himmelsbach (RH-1) that many of his Norjak theories were “far-fetched,” especially the notion that DB Cooper died in the jump because he was an inexperienced skydiver.

When I asked him about DB Cooper, Hatley laughed loud and long although I wasn't sure why. Nevertheless, Hatley launched another commentary on the skyjacking.

“The night of the skyjacking I was contacted by the feds. ’Ralph,’ they said, do you know a skydiver named Dan Cooper?’”

“’Sure,” I told them. He’s a guy from Moses Lake.’”

RH-2 said that the feds didn't quite believe him and thought that Cooper died in his getaway, or was too afraid to leave his airplane.

“I was laughing my ass off when the aircraft landed in Reno, sparks flying, and they couldn't find the skyjacker,” said Hatley.

At this point I challenged Ralph about the many statements Earl Cossey made to the media, including during several interviews with me, that DB Cooper was an incompetent “no-pull” who cratered into the ground on his getaway jump.

“Bullshit!” Ralph roared. “We all knew that the perpetrator made it.”

In further discussion, Hatley adamantly claimed that Cossey believed DB Cooper made a successful jump.

Along those lines, Hatley said that DB Cooper “had some knowledge.” He said the skyjacking was “well-planned”

“Cooper picked a parachute that was not a regular skydiving parachute. He picked an NB-8 or an NB-6, whatever, and that was smart because it had a rigging card and a rigger’s packing pin, so he knew the chute hadn’t been opened and tracking devices put inside.”

At this point, Ralph became very coy and challenged me to study the flight path and call him after I had a precise understanding of the details. After much prodding, Ralph relented and told me that he felt DB Cooper jumped over Battleground WA, and this location was very fortuitous because it contained a DZ that was owned by Ralph.

“I knew the area very well. I’d made a couple thousand jumps in that area, and I could do it under the same conditions and they’d never find me either.”

Ralph also said that he volunteered to simulate the exact jump – weather, clothing and gear, for a “substantial fee” - but the FBI declined his offer.

Ralph also said that DB Cooper was not alone.

“How do you know that, Ralph?” I asked.

“Well, that’s a long story, and I might tell you if we’re face-to-face and I feel like I’m in a good mood,” he replied, laughing. “But I told Ralph Himmelsbach. My story is impossible to verify, though.”

Ralph also said that the money found at Tina Bar in 1980 was “tossed into the Columbia at the Washougal Bridge.”

At this point I promised to meet with Ralph in the near future to continue our conversations, which seemed to be tip-toeing into delicate areas.

© 2014 Bruce A. Smith



I bet the hairs on your neck stood up when you heard all that.

A most interesting little chat!

Actually, Eighteen, the hairs on my neck stayed still. After a few years on the DZ, I've heard a lot of shit....

...besides, I spoke with Ralph after I had chatted with our darlin' lil' Andy's mom, left messages for the Auburn, (WA) PD chief and Andy's principal in GA, and replied to a few emails discussing Blevs' atrocious behavior....

...so how's your day been goin'? Another gorgeous day in Paradise?

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Andy safe and presumably off of this forum for good.

Blevins clean.

Bruce done.

Now, let's get back to DB Cooper.

377



Agree - back to Square one.

Message for Bruce:
You twist any part of what R. Hately tells you and I will copy & paste it to him. Do you understand that Brucie!

I will NOT allow you to make a mockery out of him as you have done with others you have supposedly interviewed.

Both Ralph & I know the name of the man he referred to & as I have tried to tell before - it was thru Margie Boule I first heard of the other person, - but he did not give his name. Her files will show the email address he used. Margie nor I understood the possible connection.... we dismissed the man.

This person contacted someone else for help after that. This man wanted immunity & annomity in exchange for his imformation. Mr. Himmelsbach was instrumental in documents being filed with the FBI & the state of WA for John Doe. The State of WA refused.

The individual was advised to make a plea for amnesty with the US Government...which was NOT done.

The man died in 2004 & his secret died with him. I believe his wife was foreign & did not understand what her husband attempted to tell her.

Later a member of the family tried to implement their relative in the Cooper case - with a story that was quickly swept under the rug & dismissed by the FBI.

The man took his secret with him to the grave in 2004....because his words fell on deaf ears - including my own. The man fit Duane's story right down to a place the man used to live...and the name & the story about the riddle & Duane causing this BOY to get in trouble in their early yrs. (remember Duane always made time not relative by saying I used to and referring to the Boys & Boy without using a name.) Using Boys was a ploy.

Georger made a brief post he quickly erased a few yrs ago. I got the message & perhaps Georger had a "moment" of compassion. He quickly erased the post before anyone saw - it but, I did see it and I did understand the implications.

The man knew who Cooper was.....before or after the fact, but that makes NO difference to the FBI. They would have made life miserable for the man and his family.

The FBI would have implimented him either way - and that was NOT a legacy he wanted to leave with his family nor to have the FBI accuse him of...It is unknown if the man actually participated or if he was made aware after the fact.

It could be a complete reversal from what I know... but I will put money on the FACT that Cooper was NOT a known local jumper regardless of how many were involved...

The man only wanted to inform the FBI of what he knew...but to do so without immunitiy he knew he would be implicated in the crime....he was probabably only involved after the fact....but, he was forced to take this to his grave.

Evidently when he tired to contact me he already knew he was sick, but that is just a guess on my part.

The fact that he died about 3 yrs later is what caused me to believe he already knew about his condition. ALL I could ever do was guess - but it was a man Duane told me about...but, WHY? Duane did KNOW the wife because he mentioned her in his conversation in 1979.

Per the story as I know it - they knew were Hately's jump field was off of 500.....REMEMBER Duane took me there!

I believe even if he doesn't remember it - that Cooper was known to Hately, but only by appearance - not by name. Duane told me too much about Hately not to have known him. Hately would not have known his real name, but Duane definitely told me about those Birds, his jump fields (all 3 of them) and claimed to have known the man, but we were NOT going to go see him.

Hately has seen pictures of Weber, but was unable to identify him as someone he had seen or met.

Per what I know Nothing has been written regarding Hately in the 1970's when Duane took me to WA, but Duane told me about Hately & his jump fields and his birds. No way Duane could have known about all three sites and the birds if he didn't know who Hately was.

Duane would use "used to know", but on that one he said the name.

Even Georger knows this story and for some reason Georger made sure this story was LOCKED out.

Georger quickly showed the man's OBIT many many yrs ago and as soon I made a comment - he took it down.

This all happened in a flash of just a few moments on the thread...Georger's post went poof without a trace.

You will treat this like new information & Georger will deny he made a post about the man - it was an obit. He must have had a weak moment!

Georger actually knows more about this case than he has admitted to. He actually has aided the COVER-UP - quickly making sure any evidence of the truths go POOF!

Georger is not stupid, but he is getting old and he has screwed up regarding his self assigned agenda. Who or What Georger protects - is like watching a drunk play darts...I never know where that damn dart is headed...or what side of the room the board is on.

P.S. Shutter - you can copy and paste this post where Georger can see it.

P.S. Shutter - tell CooK if he has truely run a background check on me to be sure I get a copy of it.
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Georger actually knows more about this case than he has admitted to. He actually has aided the COVER-UP - quickly making sure any evidence of the truths go POOF!



Really Jo? What evidence supports this extraordinary claim?

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'Meyer asked to be removed. I've told you this before...'



Not exactly.

As far as your website, I can view it anytime I wish. Haven't tried to lately, though. You know this already. Never said I actually wanted to post there. If I had, I wouldn't have revealed to you who I really was. ;) Didn't you think I knew what you would do? Of course I did. I just didn't care.

It's a highly restrictive site, and garners few new visitors. That's an assessment between my observations and the Google numbers. It's also called the Dead Zone because that's where DZ posters go after they get banned from the real Cooper discussion site. Over there, it's just a convention with the same old faces. Like I said, I hope you guys figure out something useful on the case though. I've always said that regardless. Cook's BS was a bother but I got over it.

As far as the kid, you aren't living in reality. Six year olds go on the internet these days. Where have you been? It's the Connected Generation. I actually made that one up myself to describe anyone born after the year 1999. :)
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'...besides, I spoke with Ralph after I had chatted with our darlin' lil' Andy's mom, left messages for the Auburn, (WA) PD chief and Andy's principal in GA, and replied to a few emails discussing Blevs' atrocious behavior....'



What 'atrocious' behavior? You're lucky you're still here at Dropzone, LOL. I actually edited one post I made yesterday in an effort to keep you from being banned. You used that boy and his family to make points for yourself with others reading this thread. If you were REALLY concerned, you would have done what you did in private, skipped the 'updates,' and kept it off the internet.

And I have a little side note for everyone else: I was about the only one on this website to try and encourage Andy into positive internet behavior. Meanwhile, I watched as some of you started talking about calling his parents, or giving him unwanted advice, etc. And some of you 'adults' who 'belong' here engage in behavior far more juvenile than that kid ever did. Half of you just picked on him, and at least ONE of you did it for the sole reason that he thought KC might be Cooper. So don't come to me with your do-goody-good bullshit regarding this kid. Some of you are as phony as a three dollar bill and as self-serving as an Arco station with a half-price sale.

What the hell do you all know about a kid like that? You just lectured him while (some) of you were posting even WORSE things, and then when he had a problem going...you humiliated him by making it a public thing. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Bet none of YOU have hung out all day with the GM and the manager of the Atlanta Braves for spring training. He has. I've seen the pictures. He might have some problems, but in a lot of ways he's much more of a winner than some of YOU...sitting on your self-righteous pedestals passing judgment on some autistic kid, and then shaming him publicly. Bunch of BS all the way.


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Robert, once again you miss the mark. it doesn't matter if a 6 year old accesses the internet. the kid doesn't belong here! while you are busy trying to pat yourself on the back the mother did the right thing and removed
her son from this thread. that's the best, and right thing done so far! kudos to Mom!!

Basically you are saying it's ok for a 6 year old to go on the internet, check out some porn, stop by and trash talk on adult forums, or any other places kids shouldn't be? you wouldn't mind if a 6 year old talked the way Andy did, and you approve of this? seriously dude it's obvious you are weak in this category.

The mother removed her son because it appears she has the same values I have. you don't seem to follow the same guidelines, or morals.

Here is another simple fact. just because a 6 year old surfs the net doesn't mean he should be allowed to go where ever he wishes. if that occurs it only means there is no supervision behind his actions! thank god you never had any kids if this is how you operate Robert!

How is my forum restrictive? because Robert Blevins is permanently banned from there? must we go through the reasons again? numbers are your game Robert, not mine. I'm not setting out to prove my forum over this one, or any other site. you show obvious signs of jealousy, spite, anger, frustration all rolled into one. I don't care what you think. I don't care if you don't like what people are saying about you. make a You Tube vid, or an article. do what ever you wish. the forum will weather the storm. ;) the forum is not being marketed. that's your game once again. it's a place to discuss DB Cooper, and that's exactly what happens. yes just like this forum people tend to get out of line, but unlike this forum fires are quickly put out. keep your PDF files loaded. Coop made two posts about you. I think you need to report it here. after all it's your job as the Cooper cop to inform this thread when people talk bad about Robert M Blevins. I'm sure this thread is on the edge of there seats B|

Later Bobby.

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Jo, I call Cook out when he makes these type of comments. I don't do anything further than that. I can't keep up with you and Blevins battling it out about what Cook says vs what you and Blevins say. perhaps you guys can make your very own forum and keep all of us out of this. it's ridiculous going back and forth about he said, she said nonsense. it never goes beyond a few comments. and yet you and Robert explode making it appear as if world war three has taken place. I'm positive people on this thread don't want to constantly hear about it. I tossed a bucket of water on Cook again. I don't want this crap on my forum either. it's pointless.

It's amazing that this doesn't occur over there. why do you think it doesn't? every forum, website etc. has it's faults, just as every forum has people making comments they shouldn't be making. this forum, or mine is not immune to this rule. I don't have time to sit and analyze every post, or try and justify it. I haven't seen any mods do that here either. the whole thing is counter productive to any forum. when I had spam blocks, and the proxy blocker shutting you out from viewing the site, I sent you portions of the thread so you could read what was going on. I've gone far and above to help you out. I'm not going to let people just say, or do what ever they wish. I confront them about it. if it continues, then vacation time will be put into place. it's no different than what goes on here other than more moderation.

Let me clarify since this will be micro-managed once again. when I said this doesn't happen over there. I'm saying it doesn't go page after page of pointless nonsense on one subject, or arguing about it causing things to stop forward motion. there is almost 1300 comment now, and about 20 are troubled where I had to jump in. what is the stats for nonsense posted on this thread? none of this is good for any forum.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I think a possible timely motive could have been President Nixon taking us off the gold standard on Aug 15, ' 71.That messed up some peoples retirements. Further, if you wanted to make sure Nixon got the message you would ask for 200k, the presidents salary starting in 1969. The Raliegh cigarettes could have been for theatrical purposes. Sir Walter Raleigh was executed for continually getting uppidy with the royals. This is grabbing at straws, but having Tina sit in 18D could point to the address of suspect Kenny. 18406. I believe those rural postal addresses mean "mile marker 18 plus 406 feet to post box" ie 18-4 (?)

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having Tina sit in 18D could point to the address of suspect Kenny. 18406. I believe those rural postal addresses mean "mile marker 18 plus 406 feet to post box" ie 18-4 (?)



Nah, that last one is too far of a stretch.

Everything else is a perfect fit.;)

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I'm positive people on this thread don't want to constantly hear about it. I tossed a bucket of water on Cook again. I don't want this crap on my forum. it's pointless.



So why are you discussing it here?
What if it was your sister or your mother - Cook was slandering?

Seems like the problems are in that other place...Cook does not post here.

Malicious postings are NOT rampant on the DZ. The problem children are in your place now - so good luck!;)

You have your hands full!

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Great conversation TODAY with an individual about Cooper!

We have been off topic here- but, it kept one of the guys out of your hair for awhile.
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Bruce,

Thanks for interviewing Ralph. I hope you can do some more. That guy is DEEPLY connected to the NW skydiving scene and knew all the players. I'll bet he has further thoughts about Norjack and Cooper. I hope you can do some followup. Glad you didn't veer into politics. Ralph is to the far right of extreme right.

Ralph also knows a ton about parachute gear and has a HUGE collection/inventory.

Ralph's comment about the rigger seal (not pin) was interesting. He thought an intact seal meant no tampering. Rigger Perry Stevens, at the request of the FBI, planted locator transmitters in McCoy s chutes. I wonder if Perry affixed his rigger seal to the closing pin after doing that?

I wonder if the FBI would have got more useful data by commissioning Ralph to do a real 727 jump as opposed to the sled tests? Maybe he quoted too high a price. Ralph is well known as a wheeler dealer, but if he likes you he will eventually give you a good deal. I speak from experience.

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