Robert99 37 #40226 May 17, 2013 377QuoteCongratulations to you fellows on your literature research and findings! Now do you understand how space programs apply to the search for Cooper? Don't laugh. Snowmman found official docs about use of the SR 71 to look for Cooper. Really. 377 That is believable but the U-2 would have been a better choice. Rober99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40227 May 17, 2013 377 Quote Congratulations to you fellows on your literature research and findings! Now do you understand how space programs apply to the search for Cooper? Don't laugh. Snowmman found official docs about use of the SR 71 to look for Cooper. Really. 377 Funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 37 #40228 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins****** The research predates the placard find but was updated after 1978.. its an interesting read. Credit once again goes to Hominid. Congratulations to you fellows on your literature research and findings! Now do you understand how space programs apply to the search for Cooper? No. Actually, I don't. I favor hard evidence and the like. You'll never be able to prove anything about Cooper by speculating or theorizing on wind currents, or fancy math formulas as applied to the placard. Because you will never to be able to prove those formulas. It's ridiculous. Radar will tell you a lot more about the position of 305 at any given time during the flight than any descending placard. A gust here, another there on the way down from thousands of feet. You can't prove a thing about it that has any relation to the case. Say this, say that. But you will never know for sure, no matter how you try to squeeze numbers. And then you will see people debate on these numbers or those numbers...in some pathetic attempt to prove an LZ, or a reason why the money ended up at Tina Bar. Blevins, Check your local phone book for Community Colleges in your area. See if they offer summer courses in any elementary mathematics or physical science area. If they do, take the courses. Then take additional courses this fall, winter, next summer, etc.. Maybe in a couple of years you will have some understanding of what you have written above. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40229 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsRobert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. Let's take just one of your straw men above - the evidence. Maybe you can enlighten us about what this evidence you keep referring to is? The "official flight path" is nothing more than 2 maps, one with an attempt to put time stamps on it. That map is not evidence but the result of supposed evidence(s). Where is this evidence you keep talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40230 May 17, 2013 Robert99********* The research predates the placard find but was updated after 1978.. its an interesting read. Credit once again goes to Hominid. Congratulations to you fellows on your literature research and findings! Now do you understand how space programs apply to the search for Cooper? No. Actually, I don't. I favor hard evidence and the like. You'll never be able to prove anything about Cooper by speculating or theorizing on wind currents, or fancy math formulas as applied to the placard. Because you will never to be able to prove those formulas. It's ridiculous. Radar will tell you a lot more about the position of 305 at any given time during the flight than any descending placard. A gust here, another there on the way down from thousands of feet. You can't prove a thing about it that has any relation to the case. Say this, say that. But you will never know for sure, no matter how you try to squeeze numbers. And then you will see people debate on these numbers or those numbers...in some pathetic attempt to prove an LZ, or a reason why the money ended up at Tina Bar. Blevins, Check your local phone book for Community Colleges in your area. See if they offer summer courses in any elementary mathematics or physical science area. If they do, take the courses. Then take additional courses this fall, winter, next summer, etc.. Maybe in a couple of years you will have some understanding of what you have written above. Robert99 Quote Blevins says: Because you will never to be able to prove those formulas. It's ridiculous. Arent you talking about the applicability of a formula, because formulae are just mathematical structures used in empirical analysis? I think what you are trying to say is that you think formulas used fail some test of validity, efficacy, completeness, and sufficiency (ie. all the meta tests any empirical analysis must satisfy) ? Or, are you saying something more broad, that empirical science can never supply a correct analysis at all in this case? That you would have had to be the placard to know and that feelings and intuitions of the placard must be applied in addition to scientific tests? Or, are yous saying that ONLY Tom Kaye and RoibertMBlevins can divine the truth? Who taught you to divine the truth? Or is none of this correct and you are just bullshitting the Thread once again in order to grab attention fr your audacity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 37 #40231 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsRobert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. What have you to say about the Citizen Sleuths' assessment that the money may have arrived there by non-natural means? Are you going to move the plane west a few miles to make that work? And in your previous post about 'wind, earth, and water' at work in depositing the money, I will ask the same question: How did MORE than one bundle of the ransom money end up in the exact same spot...miles from the flight path? Less than one bundle I could understand. MOST of the money I could understand. Maybe he dropped the bag on the way down. But an amount roughly equal to THREE bundles is hard to believe. How did they magically stay together for this little trip? They were separate bundles. Nothing else was found. You think they took a cab and shared the fare for all those travel miles, or what? Blevins, Forget I-5 and start thinking about V-23 and how the airliner is going to get around Portland. The flight crew had already suggested that they climb above the overcast and fly out over the Pacific until the matter was settled. So do you really think they are going to fly an airplane with a possible bomb aboard over Portland? The Chief FAA shrink had already passed the word to the crew that Cooper would probably blow up the airplane when he jumped. Tom Kaye essentially ruled out the possibility of the money arriving from the river when his experiments showed that money sinks real fast. He did offer the possibility that the money "may have arrived there by non-natural means". The term "may" does not mean experimental certainty. As to how the money could have stayed together has been discussed and answered any number of times on this thread. For that matter, ever thing you mention above is just a rehash of matters that have been talked to death on this thread over the past several years. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40232 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins************ The research predates the placard find but was updated after 1978.. its an interesting read. Credit once again goes to Hominid. Congratulations to you fellows on your literature research and findings! Now do you understand how space programs apply to the search for Cooper? No. Actually, I don't. I favor hard evidence and the like. You'll never be able to prove anything about Cooper by speculating or theorizing on wind currents, or fancy math formulas as applied to the placard. Because you will never to be able to prove those formulas. It's ridiculous. Radar will tell you a lot more about the position of 305 at any given time during the flight than any descending placard. A gust here, another there on the way down from thousands of feet. You can't prove a thing about it that has any relation to the case. Say this, say that. But you will never know for sure, no matter how you try to squeeze numbers. And then you will see people debate on these numbers or those numbers...in some pathetic attempt to prove an LZ, or a reason why the money ended up at Tina Bar. Blevins, Check your local phone book for Community Colleges in your area. See if they offer summer courses in any elementary mathematics or physical science area. If they do, take the courses. Then take additional courses this fall, winter, next summer, etc.. Maybe in a couple of years you will have some understanding of what you have written above. Robert99 Already been there. Green River CC is a real nice place. And so is WWU, as long as you can live on Food Stamps, CETA, work-study, the GI Bill, and other sources. My family may be rich now, but I pride myself on being just a po' boy from the sticks. Anytime you are ready to present solid evidence that Flight 305 was on the WEST side of the Interstate 5 freeway any distance north of Portland, I'm all ears. Quote solid evidence That's the problem isnt it! Solid evidence. You dont have the faintest idea what solid evidence is. It destroyed your KC work and it has destroyed your entire credibility as a functioning member of society! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40233 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins******Robert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. Let's take just one of your straw men above - the evidence. Maybe you can enlighten us about what this evidence you keep referring to is? The "official flight path" is nothing more than 2 maps, one with an attempt to put time stamps on it. That map is not evidence but the result of supposed evidence(s). Where is this evidence you keep talking about? The radio transcripts and the maps have been in place for some years now. No one has been able to discredit them to date. If you think they are wrong, go to the sources. As for me, I believe them unless new evidence to the contrary comes along. It's also 'Put Up or Shut Up' if you are going to question those items. You're asking me. You should be investigating sources. Well that reply makes no sense at all! Insignificance is like a painted flower; it never wilts. Chair when number eleven shakes beliefs widely held. Utter nonsense lies ahead, what with the future yet to come. Blevins significance is a storyteller without equal because Stupidity approaches at high velocity! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 37 #40234 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins******Robert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. Let's take just one of your straw men above - the evidence. Maybe you can enlighten us about what this evidence you keep referring to is? The "official flight path" is nothing more than 2 maps, one with an attempt to put time stamps on it. That map is not evidence but the result of supposed evidence(s). Where is this evidence you keep talking about? The radio transcripts and the maps have been in place for some years now. No one has been able to discredit them to date. If you think they are wrong, go to the sources. As for me, I believe them unless new evidence to the contrary comes along. It's also 'Put Up or Shut Up' if you are going to question those items. You're asking me. You should be investigating sources. Blevins, You obviously have still NOT read the radio transcripts! Have you noticed any discussion on this thread about the lack of information in the transcripts concerning the airliner's location when it was in the Portland area? Read the transcripts and read the posts! Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MeyerLouie 5 #40235 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins***Meyer Louie says in part, regarding the murder of Earl Cossey: 'Hmmm... a friend of 30 years is surprised to hear about the divorce of a financially well-to-do friend. Is it just me, or is that a red flag? So, half of the spoils still leaves husband and wife both rich? How many times has that kept anyone from doing dasdardly things to keep it all to themselves. I think you can see who my suspect is.... just thinking out loud....' You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that. Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood. _______________________________________________ I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations. Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator. Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations. The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes, So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40236 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins If you doubt any provided information, you have to go to the SOURCES. Journalism 101. Investigations 101. Always try to get people to go on the record. That way, you can compare what THEY say against the provided information. Didn't any of you read All The President's Men? It's the best primer on journalism ever written. Forget the stupid placard. You will never be able to prove anything about it one way or another. It was discovered along the basic flight path YEARS after the FBI established that path. It actually supports the idea that the flight path is correct. What will you believe? A placard that fluttered down from thousands of feet in this wind or that, or RADAR? The placard is an interesting piece of garbage from 305, and little else. Georger says in part: Quote 'Hominid did an analysis of the placard drop, using govt placard drop test data (yes such tests were conducted). The placard for all practical purposes is right under the FP and obeyed the drift parameters assumed in the NWA DZ La Center probability map - the white chart...' Key phrase: 'right under the FP' (Flight path) Blevins I sense a massive failure to communicate. It's not personal. If you don't understand what WE are talking about how can you possibly criticise it? It works both ways! We can also not understand what you are talking about ... its not personal. Ani dober b'ivrit. Qen? Lo? Kah-ha ka-ha. You dont understand this. I dont understand you. We speak a different language. We are different people... So here's what to do: (a) Continue as you have been with whatever it is seems to make sense to you. (b) Believe everything Tom Kaye says. If TK say green, think green, whatever colour that is to you/ If Tom say 'take two steps right', then take two steps right. Say everything TK says verbatim. Everything should work out fine. And keep off our 10% of the island! You and Jo can have the other 90% ! Ma nish ma? mosal tov. erev tov. Good nite Irene! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40237 May 17, 2013 MeyerLouie ******Meyer Louie says in part, regarding the murder of Earl Cossey: 'Hmmm... a friend of 30 years is surprised to hear about the divorce of a financially well-to-do friend. Is it just me, or is that a red flag? So, half of the spoils still leaves husband and wife both rich? How many times has that kept anyone from doing dasdardly things to keep it all to themselves. I think you can see who my suspect is.... just thinking out loud....' You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that. Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood. _______________________________________________ I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations. Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator. Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations. The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes, So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care. MeyerLouie Quote I tend to think the gambling is a lead to follow especially if he was known (by certain people!) to keep cash around. $25k would be enough for someone doing something stupid and if caught by Coss then a struggle and any old guy would get the worst of it ... what a sad tale whatever it is! Good luck with it - ... Never take more than $40 to a casino! The meal should be $20 and that leaves $20 for the penny slots. You can sit and sip two beers and raise hell all night and have a wonderful time on $20! And be sober to drive home avoiding deer, smelling the fresh midnight air all the way home, looking for ufo's, and listening to Dolly Parton on the radio - life can be good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40238 May 17, 2013 This was taken from Sluggo's site, information was written by Robert99.... Even if, as Captain Bohan reportedly claimed, the winds at 14,000 feet were 80 knots from 160 degrees in the Portland area, all available evidence indicates that the winds were only 30 knots or less at the 10,000 foot altitude where NWA 305 flew. I believe even you have questioned the weather that evening, if they have the weather wrong and used this information along with the radar data with the plotting, how is it going to be correct? did they radar show a little dot where the plane was and show the area around it like you would see on a GPS? attempt 32. I am not trying to discredit anything, you seem to use this term loosely when it come to the flight path. nobody has attempted anything like this other than Robert99 who has done extensive calculations on the path. how is this any different than you claiming the Amboy chute is not what they say it is? why are you trying to discredit the FBI? basically it seems ok for you to say the chute is wrong that the FBI has. they are wrong for not looking further into the KC question. they are right on believing Cooper jumped at 8:12. they are wrong on the official description of Cooper, but, the transcripts are 100% along with the flight path? you said a lot of smart people were on this, wasn't a lot of smart people on the Amboy chute, the descriptions etc.? that " piece of garbage " did help establish the flight path location. I see a difference between discredit, validation and human error. val·i·date (vl-dt) tr.v. val·i·dat·ed, val·i·dat·ing, val·i·dates 1. To declare or make legally valid. 2. To mark with an indication of official sanction. 3. To establish the soundness of; corroborate. why is it always pages and pages talking to Blevins on one given subject, are you really that smart? it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles......."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40239 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsBefore you two go any farther with this Cossey stuff (I feel now that my possible burglary-in-progress scenario was rather tame) you should know that there have been three more burglaries in the same area since Cossey died. One guy was caught yesterday. He's in jail. Maybe the police are speaking to him right now. You never know. The news that Cossey was an occasional gambler only came out recently, with the mailing-back of the ID, the casino membership, and the credit cards. So...there IS some room to say that it's possible someone from the casino, or who knew Cossey went there...etc. Yes, that is possible. I'm still going to leave off any references to family members until some evidence is presented. MeyerLouie says in part: Quote'I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations...' Non-substantiated? Guess again. Anytime you want to check a quoted source I've named, feel free to do so. what happened to the RobertMblevins who said they were no longer going to report on the Cossey case? is that out the window like leaving the thread and not responding to Georger, or not really caring about the Cooper case???????????????????????"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40240 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsWell, it's been pretty silent on Cossey from everyone. Police? I've never seen them so quiet on a case where residents are SO pissed off. Maybe this is nothing, but here are some of the most recent burglaries between May 6-13th in Woodinville. Notice the THIRD one. Picture is attached. It's like two blocks from Cossey's place. In this one, they caught the guy. Who knows? Maybe the cops are talking to him. Quote'4. Residential Burglary – 17100 blk of 131st Ave NE. Victim reported unknown suspect(s) entered his residence by jimmying the sliding glass patio door latch. Once inside suspect(s) ransacked the residence and stole a large flat panel plasma TV, a game system and games, two laptops, jewelry, alcohol, cash, and toilet paper. 5. Commercial Burglary– 12400 blk of NE 173rd PL. Victim reported unknown suspect(s) broke out a window that accessed two businesses, however no entry was made. 6. Residential Burglary- 19400 blk of 148th Ave NE. Victim called 911 to report an unknown suspect in his new residence as he was moving items in. The suspect left on a dark colored motorcycle wearing a red helmet as officers responded to the area. The victim advised officers that the suspect had gone through his boxes and ate and drank his food. The investigation resulted in the suspect being positively identified. Deputies located the suspect later in the evening and booked him in to the King County Jail with pending burglary charges.' I will take the same action as the police.....no comment.."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40241 May 17, 2013 I'm looking into the SAGE radar further than I have before.. The Sage radar had some 50,000 vacuum tubes...... Vacuum tubes didn't have a very long life. With all those tubes in the computer (I Don't remember how many), the mean time to failure was a few minutes. Solution: Marginal testing where voltages would be systematically lowered and tubes that were on the verge of failing would be pushed to fail during testing. Diagnostic marginal testing software automated the process and used the computer to pinpoint its own failures. skipping ahead here..... The Last of the SAGE Techs I arrived at McChord AFB in Tacoma, WA, in January of 1983, after finishing tech school at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS. At Keesler, the systems we trained on seemed a bit behind the times, including the BUIC (BackUp Interceptor Control), based on the Burroughs D825. I figured though, that once I reached my permanent duty assignment, I'd get to work on some more modern equipment. When I received my assignment, I was quite distressed to discover that I'd be working on the AN/FSQ-7 and its 50,000 vacuum tubes, installed in 1958! McChords' Q7 was nearing the end of its service life, and I found myself in the last group of technicians to be trained and qualified on the Q7. Things weren't as bad as I anticipated, though, and I was eventually selected for one of the four remaining maintenance slots on the new system, the AN/FYQ-93 (ROCC). I spent 8 months working on the Q7, before heading for Tyndall AFB in Panama City, FL for training on the new system. all of this can be found on the link provided, including pics of the McChord Sage radar.... http://www.smecc.org/sage_a_n_fsq-7.htm http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/SAGE/"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40242 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins Before you two go any farther with this Cossey stuff ah yes I forgot! You and AB Books & House Cleaning OWN the Cossey case! I should-uv known! Never fails... Is it OK with you if Law Enforcement gets involved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #40243 May 17, 2013 Quote it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles].kkSj Shutter - JO trys NOT to get involved in the technical stuff other than what I have known and believe to be accurate. Like the ice on the plate. All I need is the short replies made to indicate WHY the statements are made. PLEASE leave JO out of you remarks about Blevins and BK. I am NOT in their category. Recently I only post things I feel you guys need to know or might be interested in. What I think about the flight means nothing in the scientific end to this thing.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40244 May 17, 2013 mrshutter45 This was taken from Sluggo's site, information was written by Robert99.... Even if, as Captain Bohan reportedly claimed, the winds at 14,000 feet were 80 knots from 160 degrees in the Portland area, all available evidence indicates that the winds were only 30 knots or less at the 10,000 foot altitude where NWA 305 flew. I believe even you have questioned the weather that evening, if they have the weather wrong and used this information along with the radar data with the plotting, how is it going to be correct? did they radar show a little dot where the plane was and show the area around it like you would see on a GPS? attempt 32. I am not trying to discredit anything, you seem to use this term loosely when it come to the flight path. nobody has attempted anything like this other than Robert99 who has done extensive calculations on the path. how is this any different than you claiming the Amboy chute is not what they say it is? why are you trying to discredit the FBI? basically it seems ok for you to say the chute is wrong that the FBI has. they are wrong for not looking further into the KC question. they are right on believing Cooper jumped at 8:12. they are wrong on the official description of Cooper, but, the transcripts are 100% along with the flight path? you said a lot of smart people were on this, wasn't a lot of smart people on the Amboy chute, the descriptions etc.? that " piece of garbage " did help establish the flight path location. I see a difference between discredit, validation and human error. val·i·date (vl-dt) tr.v. val·i·dat·ed, val·i·dat·ing, val·i·dates 1. To declare or make legally valid. 2. To mark with an indication of official sanction. 3. To establish the soundness of; corroborate. why is it always pages and pages talking to Blevins on one given subject, are you really that smart? it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles....... maybe best just to ignore the ADD robot ..? I mean: not all states of the universe are relevant, must be taken into account, in order to butter bread on one's kitchen counter! I never ask Blevins if I may get in my car a go to town! I would be going in circles forever if I did - In other words: JUST IGNORE THE TROLL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #40245 May 17, 2013 Robert99*** Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40246 May 17, 2013 skyjack71****** Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong. exactly what direction did the plane change at this point?"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40247 May 17, 2013 mrshutter45********* Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong. exactly what direction did the plane change at this point? attached - will get you more tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #40248 May 17, 2013 Please Georger - give me two fricking miles to the EAST. Just two miles and tell me the wind drift speed. How far could Cooper drift after the plane crossed the Lake and Just before. The plane was barely West of Mt St. Helens. The Co-pilot wanted to DUMP Cooper! They were NOT flying a straight line - they told the Co-pilot to do what he had to do. The co-pilot knew the aft stairs had opened. He wanted Cooper OFF of that plane. Two Fricking miles at 2011 and the wind drift to the East. Witnesses have claimed the plane was just WEST of St.Helens and then it dropped & came in very LOUD around Kelly Road. (Do not know if the witnesses meant East of West of their location. TWO FRICKING miles and the wind drift - which way was Cooper drifting to the East? Dumb woman Questions! God put that woman in that shop yesterday - WHY! Co-incidence. I think NOT. I think GOD is guiding me right now. Ever since New Yrs eve. The FBI told me twice since then - You can put him in a chute, but you have to put him on the plane. Not much time left - have to finish this now. 2 Damn MILES!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40249 May 17, 2013 who in the world pays a house cleaner $300 for a day? Cost estimates: In a larger metropolitan area, for a medium-sized apartment or house, plan on paying at least $100 for cleaning twice a month. In less populated cities or towns, for an average-sized house (2500 square feet), around $75 is a typical fee. For a large national chain, monthly cleaning service in a three-bedroom, two-bathroom home, runs around $175 per cleaning."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #40250 May 18, 2013 Quote exactly what direction did the plane change at this point? It is the time line. ONE minute off. I cannot understand the map Sluggo provided me. But, the time is off 1 minute. Door was open as they approached the West side of Mt. St. Helens. If you move up with this one minute it puts the curve the co-ordinated mention Just a little higher. When I do this on the old map I have that move the slight curve that goes to the East just a little higher. When I do this EVERYTHING works with the things I was shown. I do NOT believe the Eastward drift can account for the things I was told and shown. BUT moving the flight path North & East of what You guys are trying to do - shifts everything into alignment with what I know. This includes conversations with the pilot which he kept UN-technical and I cross this with what the witnesses told me yrs ago and it is ALL there - everything I know and was told and saw - even though I had NO CLUE I was being shown things that indicated a landing spot or landmarks. Move ONE minute higher and then everything works with everything I was told and shown. The maps I have I cannot read well. I drew the lines that Sluggo made on clear plastic and move them up less than that one minute and it all fell into place - I did this after he was here, but I didn't know what I was doing. You guys make no sense out of stupid old woman talk - but I could show you what I am trying to say. What this plastic route did was also making the lower part work - when the pilot told me he could see the lights of Vancouver & Portland to his right. The path would be basically the same just move slightly North in the overlay. What it did was put the most Easterly part of the flight near Battleground in line with ALL of the things he told me and showed me - things NO one could have known if they were NOT there. So help me GOD strike me dead tonight if any of you think I am exaggeration or making one tiny bit of this up - I am not. I wish I had the exact route on clear plastic and a map that shows the areas under it and the roads done by a map person - it is ALL there - it IS ALL there! One fricking minute off. Then I move the plastic slightly east and per the map (that is about 2 miles North) and (2 miles East) and every fricking thing matches the place Duane took me and showed me and the things he told me...it is fricking all there. Maybe the wind carried him 2 miles north and 2 miles East - I DON't think so - Some how U guys are OFF 2 miles East and 2 miles west. How much time in that in minutes? Please tell me that much. I had done this yrs ago and came up with the same thing - but NO ONE ever heard me - I am just that DUMB old WOMAN who is a liar and a fantasy story teller. I am NOT. I am the only living person who Duane took back there and he actually retraced his movements on the ground - but DUMB STUPID WOMAN didnt' know he was describing a crime he commited and got away with. Again today - I asked 2 other individuals in their 60's if they had to describe the things they wore when they were about 20 yrs of age - how would they describe items they wore. I asked specifically what they considered jewelry - NOT one of them mentioned a WATCH - A damn watch WAS not jewelry in 1971. They immediately mentioned rings bracelets, earrings and jacket or dress pins/broaches. NO one mentioned a watch. Then I asked them a direct question. What about a watch? Same answer - a watch was NOT considered jewelry unless it was encrusted with diamonds and extremely dressy. A watch was a necessity - NOT jewelry. We didn't have cell phones and IPods with the time on them. Sorry I am on my soap box, but I have to get someone to REALLY listen! Didn't mean to go here just wanted to point out the 2 miles (regardless of how that translates in time on your charts). NO one need answer this - You guys stay on topic, but remember the things I have told over and over. Never forget the things I have told - maybe someday someone will find the answers and I will be vindicated. NEVER EVER classify me as being like KNOSS or Belvins. I have LIVED this nightmare Duane put on me. I WISH I had never FOUND out who DAN COOPER was. These last 17 yrs could have been so different had I never have found out who DAN Cooper was. I never connected DAN COOPER to D.B. Not until the night I read that DAMN book by Max Gunther I am not CRAZY or DELUSIONAL and I never made this shit up. The only thing I have done is chase the theories - the hows and the whys and the suspects. I did not make it to Lake Merwin or Yale lake on my trip - NOW I wish I had made it that far! No Duane did NOT take me there. He just told me about those places - I have not been there. If I have I do not remember it. In 2000 the Crew took me on the NORTH side of the river to Lake Merwin - the water was rough on the river at the motel they did some of the interview in. I told them I had NOT been there and I knew I had not been there. 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Robert99 37 #40231 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsRobert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. What have you to say about the Citizen Sleuths' assessment that the money may have arrived there by non-natural means? Are you going to move the plane west a few miles to make that work? And in your previous post about 'wind, earth, and water' at work in depositing the money, I will ask the same question: How did MORE than one bundle of the ransom money end up in the exact same spot...miles from the flight path? Less than one bundle I could understand. MOST of the money I could understand. Maybe he dropped the bag on the way down. But an amount roughly equal to THREE bundles is hard to believe. How did they magically stay together for this little trip? They were separate bundles. Nothing else was found. You think they took a cab and shared the fare for all those travel miles, or what? Blevins, Forget I-5 and start thinking about V-23 and how the airliner is going to get around Portland. The flight crew had already suggested that they climb above the overcast and fly out over the Pacific until the matter was settled. So do you really think they are going to fly an airplane with a possible bomb aboard over Portland? The Chief FAA shrink had already passed the word to the crew that Cooper would probably blow up the airplane when he jumped. Tom Kaye essentially ruled out the possibility of the money arriving from the river when his experiments showed that money sinks real fast. He did offer the possibility that the money "may have arrived there by non-natural means". The term "may" does not mean experimental certainty. As to how the money could have stayed together has been discussed and answered any number of times on this thread. For that matter, ever thing you mention above is just a rehash of matters that have been talked to death on this thread over the past several years. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40232 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins************ The research predates the placard find but was updated after 1978.. its an interesting read. Credit once again goes to Hominid. Congratulations to you fellows on your literature research and findings! Now do you understand how space programs apply to the search for Cooper? No. Actually, I don't. I favor hard evidence and the like. You'll never be able to prove anything about Cooper by speculating or theorizing on wind currents, or fancy math formulas as applied to the placard. Because you will never to be able to prove those formulas. It's ridiculous. Radar will tell you a lot more about the position of 305 at any given time during the flight than any descending placard. A gust here, another there on the way down from thousands of feet. You can't prove a thing about it that has any relation to the case. Say this, say that. But you will never know for sure, no matter how you try to squeeze numbers. And then you will see people debate on these numbers or those numbers...in some pathetic attempt to prove an LZ, or a reason why the money ended up at Tina Bar. Blevins, Check your local phone book for Community Colleges in your area. See if they offer summer courses in any elementary mathematics or physical science area. If they do, take the courses. Then take additional courses this fall, winter, next summer, etc.. Maybe in a couple of years you will have some understanding of what you have written above. Robert99 Already been there. Green River CC is a real nice place. And so is WWU, as long as you can live on Food Stamps, CETA, work-study, the GI Bill, and other sources. My family may be rich now, but I pride myself on being just a po' boy from the sticks. Anytime you are ready to present solid evidence that Flight 305 was on the WEST side of the Interstate 5 freeway any distance north of Portland, I'm all ears. Quote solid evidence That's the problem isnt it! Solid evidence. You dont have the faintest idea what solid evidence is. It destroyed your KC work and it has destroyed your entire credibility as a functioning member of society! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40233 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins******Robert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. Let's take just one of your straw men above - the evidence. Maybe you can enlighten us about what this evidence you keep referring to is? The "official flight path" is nothing more than 2 maps, one with an attempt to put time stamps on it. That map is not evidence but the result of supposed evidence(s). Where is this evidence you keep talking about? The radio transcripts and the maps have been in place for some years now. No one has been able to discredit them to date. If you think they are wrong, go to the sources. As for me, I believe them unless new evidence to the contrary comes along. It's also 'Put Up or Shut Up' if you are going to question those items. You're asking me. You should be investigating sources. Well that reply makes no sense at all! Insignificance is like a painted flower; it never wilts. Chair when number eleven shakes beliefs widely held. Utter nonsense lies ahead, what with the future yet to come. Blevins significance is a storyteller without equal because Stupidity approaches at high velocity! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 37 #40234 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins******Robert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. Let's take just one of your straw men above - the evidence. Maybe you can enlighten us about what this evidence you keep referring to is? The "official flight path" is nothing more than 2 maps, one with an attempt to put time stamps on it. That map is not evidence but the result of supposed evidence(s). Where is this evidence you keep talking about? The radio transcripts and the maps have been in place for some years now. No one has been able to discredit them to date. If you think they are wrong, go to the sources. As for me, I believe them unless new evidence to the contrary comes along. It's also 'Put Up or Shut Up' if you are going to question those items. You're asking me. You should be investigating sources. Blevins, You obviously have still NOT read the radio transcripts! Have you noticed any discussion on this thread about the lack of information in the transcripts concerning the airliner's location when it was in the Portland area? Read the transcripts and read the posts! Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MeyerLouie 5 #40235 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins***Meyer Louie says in part, regarding the murder of Earl Cossey: 'Hmmm... a friend of 30 years is surprised to hear about the divorce of a financially well-to-do friend. Is it just me, or is that a red flag? So, half of the spoils still leaves husband and wife both rich? How many times has that kept anyone from doing dasdardly things to keep it all to themselves. I think you can see who my suspect is.... just thinking out loud....' You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that. Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood. _______________________________________________ I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations. Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator. Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations. The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes, So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40236 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins If you doubt any provided information, you have to go to the SOURCES. Journalism 101. Investigations 101. Always try to get people to go on the record. That way, you can compare what THEY say against the provided information. Didn't any of you read All The President's Men? It's the best primer on journalism ever written. Forget the stupid placard. You will never be able to prove anything about it one way or another. It was discovered along the basic flight path YEARS after the FBI established that path. It actually supports the idea that the flight path is correct. What will you believe? A placard that fluttered down from thousands of feet in this wind or that, or RADAR? The placard is an interesting piece of garbage from 305, and little else. Georger says in part: Quote 'Hominid did an analysis of the placard drop, using govt placard drop test data (yes such tests were conducted). The placard for all practical purposes is right under the FP and obeyed the drift parameters assumed in the NWA DZ La Center probability map - the white chart...' Key phrase: 'right under the FP' (Flight path) Blevins I sense a massive failure to communicate. It's not personal. If you don't understand what WE are talking about how can you possibly criticise it? It works both ways! We can also not understand what you are talking about ... its not personal. Ani dober b'ivrit. Qen? Lo? Kah-ha ka-ha. You dont understand this. I dont understand you. We speak a different language. We are different people... So here's what to do: (a) Continue as you have been with whatever it is seems to make sense to you. (b) Believe everything Tom Kaye says. If TK say green, think green, whatever colour that is to you/ If Tom say 'take two steps right', then take two steps right. Say everything TK says verbatim. Everything should work out fine. And keep off our 10% of the island! You and Jo can have the other 90% ! Ma nish ma? mosal tov. erev tov. Good nite Irene! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40237 May 17, 2013 MeyerLouie ******Meyer Louie says in part, regarding the murder of Earl Cossey: 'Hmmm... a friend of 30 years is surprised to hear about the divorce of a financially well-to-do friend. Is it just me, or is that a red flag? So, half of the spoils still leaves husband and wife both rich? How many times has that kept anyone from doing dasdardly things to keep it all to themselves. I think you can see who my suspect is.... just thinking out loud....' You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that. Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood. _______________________________________________ I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations. Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator. Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations. The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes, So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care. MeyerLouie Quote I tend to think the gambling is a lead to follow especially if he was known (by certain people!) to keep cash around. $25k would be enough for someone doing something stupid and if caught by Coss then a struggle and any old guy would get the worst of it ... what a sad tale whatever it is! Good luck with it - ... Never take more than $40 to a casino! The meal should be $20 and that leaves $20 for the penny slots. You can sit and sip two beers and raise hell all night and have a wonderful time on $20! And be sober to drive home avoiding deer, smelling the fresh midnight air all the way home, looking for ufo's, and listening to Dolly Parton on the radio - life can be good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40238 May 17, 2013 This was taken from Sluggo's site, information was written by Robert99.... Even if, as Captain Bohan reportedly claimed, the winds at 14,000 feet were 80 knots from 160 degrees in the Portland area, all available evidence indicates that the winds were only 30 knots or less at the 10,000 foot altitude where NWA 305 flew. I believe even you have questioned the weather that evening, if they have the weather wrong and used this information along with the radar data with the plotting, how is it going to be correct? did they radar show a little dot where the plane was and show the area around it like you would see on a GPS? attempt 32. I am not trying to discredit anything, you seem to use this term loosely when it come to the flight path. nobody has attempted anything like this other than Robert99 who has done extensive calculations on the path. how is this any different than you claiming the Amboy chute is not what they say it is? why are you trying to discredit the FBI? basically it seems ok for you to say the chute is wrong that the FBI has. they are wrong for not looking further into the KC question. they are right on believing Cooper jumped at 8:12. they are wrong on the official description of Cooper, but, the transcripts are 100% along with the flight path? you said a lot of smart people were on this, wasn't a lot of smart people on the Amboy chute, the descriptions etc.? that " piece of garbage " did help establish the flight path location. I see a difference between discredit, validation and human error. val·i·date (vl-dt) tr.v. val·i·dat·ed, val·i·dat·ing, val·i·dates 1. To declare or make legally valid. 2. To mark with an indication of official sanction. 3. To establish the soundness of; corroborate. why is it always pages and pages talking to Blevins on one given subject, are you really that smart? it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles......."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40239 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsBefore you two go any farther with this Cossey stuff (I feel now that my possible burglary-in-progress scenario was rather tame) you should know that there have been three more burglaries in the same area since Cossey died. One guy was caught yesterday. He's in jail. Maybe the police are speaking to him right now. You never know. The news that Cossey was an occasional gambler only came out recently, with the mailing-back of the ID, the casino membership, and the credit cards. So...there IS some room to say that it's possible someone from the casino, or who knew Cossey went there...etc. Yes, that is possible. I'm still going to leave off any references to family members until some evidence is presented. MeyerLouie says in part: Quote'I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations...' Non-substantiated? Guess again. Anytime you want to check a quoted source I've named, feel free to do so. what happened to the RobertMblevins who said they were no longer going to report on the Cossey case? is that out the window like leaving the thread and not responding to Georger, or not really caring about the Cooper case???????????????????????"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40240 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsWell, it's been pretty silent on Cossey from everyone. Police? I've never seen them so quiet on a case where residents are SO pissed off. Maybe this is nothing, but here are some of the most recent burglaries between May 6-13th in Woodinville. Notice the THIRD one. Picture is attached. It's like two blocks from Cossey's place. In this one, they caught the guy. Who knows? Maybe the cops are talking to him. Quote'4. Residential Burglary – 17100 blk of 131st Ave NE. Victim reported unknown suspect(s) entered his residence by jimmying the sliding glass patio door latch. Once inside suspect(s) ransacked the residence and stole a large flat panel plasma TV, a game system and games, two laptops, jewelry, alcohol, cash, and toilet paper. 5. Commercial Burglary– 12400 blk of NE 173rd PL. Victim reported unknown suspect(s) broke out a window that accessed two businesses, however no entry was made. 6. Residential Burglary- 19400 blk of 148th Ave NE. Victim called 911 to report an unknown suspect in his new residence as he was moving items in. The suspect left on a dark colored motorcycle wearing a red helmet as officers responded to the area. The victim advised officers that the suspect had gone through his boxes and ate and drank his food. The investigation resulted in the suspect being positively identified. Deputies located the suspect later in the evening and booked him in to the King County Jail with pending burglary charges.' I will take the same action as the police.....no comment.."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40241 May 17, 2013 I'm looking into the SAGE radar further than I have before.. The Sage radar had some 50,000 vacuum tubes...... Vacuum tubes didn't have a very long life. With all those tubes in the computer (I Don't remember how many), the mean time to failure was a few minutes. Solution: Marginal testing where voltages would be systematically lowered and tubes that were on the verge of failing would be pushed to fail during testing. Diagnostic marginal testing software automated the process and used the computer to pinpoint its own failures. skipping ahead here..... The Last of the SAGE Techs I arrived at McChord AFB in Tacoma, WA, in January of 1983, after finishing tech school at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS. At Keesler, the systems we trained on seemed a bit behind the times, including the BUIC (BackUp Interceptor Control), based on the Burroughs D825. I figured though, that once I reached my permanent duty assignment, I'd get to work on some more modern equipment. When I received my assignment, I was quite distressed to discover that I'd be working on the AN/FSQ-7 and its 50,000 vacuum tubes, installed in 1958! McChords' Q7 was nearing the end of its service life, and I found myself in the last group of technicians to be trained and qualified on the Q7. Things weren't as bad as I anticipated, though, and I was eventually selected for one of the four remaining maintenance slots on the new system, the AN/FYQ-93 (ROCC). I spent 8 months working on the Q7, before heading for Tyndall AFB in Panama City, FL for training on the new system. all of this can be found on the link provided, including pics of the McChord Sage radar.... http://www.smecc.org/sage_a_n_fsq-7.htm http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/SAGE/"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40242 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins Before you two go any farther with this Cossey stuff ah yes I forgot! You and AB Books & House Cleaning OWN the Cossey case! I should-uv known! Never fails... Is it OK with you if Law Enforcement gets involved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #40243 May 17, 2013 Quote it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles].kkSj Shutter - JO trys NOT to get involved in the technical stuff other than what I have known and believe to be accurate. Like the ice on the plate. All I need is the short replies made to indicate WHY the statements are made. PLEASE leave JO out of you remarks about Blevins and BK. I am NOT in their category. Recently I only post things I feel you guys need to know or might be interested in. What I think about the flight means nothing in the scientific end to this thing.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40244 May 17, 2013 mrshutter45 This was taken from Sluggo's site, information was written by Robert99.... Even if, as Captain Bohan reportedly claimed, the winds at 14,000 feet were 80 knots from 160 degrees in the Portland area, all available evidence indicates that the winds were only 30 knots or less at the 10,000 foot altitude where NWA 305 flew. I believe even you have questioned the weather that evening, if they have the weather wrong and used this information along with the radar data with the plotting, how is it going to be correct? did they radar show a little dot where the plane was and show the area around it like you would see on a GPS? attempt 32. I am not trying to discredit anything, you seem to use this term loosely when it come to the flight path. nobody has attempted anything like this other than Robert99 who has done extensive calculations on the path. how is this any different than you claiming the Amboy chute is not what they say it is? why are you trying to discredit the FBI? basically it seems ok for you to say the chute is wrong that the FBI has. they are wrong for not looking further into the KC question. they are right on believing Cooper jumped at 8:12. they are wrong on the official description of Cooper, but, the transcripts are 100% along with the flight path? you said a lot of smart people were on this, wasn't a lot of smart people on the Amboy chute, the descriptions etc.? that " piece of garbage " did help establish the flight path location. I see a difference between discredit, validation and human error. val·i·date (vl-dt) tr.v. val·i·dat·ed, val·i·dat·ing, val·i·dates 1. To declare or make legally valid. 2. To mark with an indication of official sanction. 3. To establish the soundness of; corroborate. why is it always pages and pages talking to Blevins on one given subject, are you really that smart? it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles....... maybe best just to ignore the ADD robot ..? I mean: not all states of the universe are relevant, must be taken into account, in order to butter bread on one's kitchen counter! I never ask Blevins if I may get in my car a go to town! I would be going in circles forever if I did - In other words: JUST IGNORE THE TROLL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #40245 May 17, 2013 Robert99*** Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40246 May 17, 2013 skyjack71****** Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong. exactly what direction did the plane change at this point?"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #40247 May 17, 2013 mrshutter45********* Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong. exactly what direction did the plane change at this point? attached - will get you more tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #40248 May 17, 2013 Please Georger - give me two fricking miles to the EAST. Just two miles and tell me the wind drift speed. How far could Cooper drift after the plane crossed the Lake and Just before. The plane was barely West of Mt St. Helens. The Co-pilot wanted to DUMP Cooper! They were NOT flying a straight line - they told the Co-pilot to do what he had to do. The co-pilot knew the aft stairs had opened. He wanted Cooper OFF of that plane. Two Fricking miles at 2011 and the wind drift to the East. Witnesses have claimed the plane was just WEST of St.Helens and then it dropped & came in very LOUD around Kelly Road. (Do not know if the witnesses meant East of West of their location. TWO FRICKING miles and the wind drift - which way was Cooper drifting to the East? Dumb woman Questions! God put that woman in that shop yesterday - WHY! Co-incidence. I think NOT. I think GOD is guiding me right now. Ever since New Yrs eve. The FBI told me twice since then - You can put him in a chute, but you have to put him on the plane. Not much time left - have to finish this now. 2 Damn MILES!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #40249 May 17, 2013 who in the world pays a house cleaner $300 for a day? Cost estimates: In a larger metropolitan area, for a medium-sized apartment or house, plan on paying at least $100 for cleaning twice a month. In less populated cities or towns, for an average-sized house (2500 square feet), around $75 is a typical fee. For a large national chain, monthly cleaning service in a three-bedroom, two-bathroom home, runs around $175 per cleaning."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #40250 May 18, 2013 Quote exactly what direction did the plane change at this point? It is the time line. ONE minute off. I cannot understand the map Sluggo provided me. But, the time is off 1 minute. Door was open as they approached the West side of Mt. St. Helens. If you move up with this one minute it puts the curve the co-ordinated mention Just a little higher. When I do this on the old map I have that move the slight curve that goes to the East just a little higher. When I do this EVERYTHING works with the things I was shown. I do NOT believe the Eastward drift can account for the things I was told and shown. BUT moving the flight path North & East of what You guys are trying to do - shifts everything into alignment with what I know. This includes conversations with the pilot which he kept UN-technical and I cross this with what the witnesses told me yrs ago and it is ALL there - everything I know and was told and saw - even though I had NO CLUE I was being shown things that indicated a landing spot or landmarks. Move ONE minute higher and then everything works with everything I was told and shown. The maps I have I cannot read well. I drew the lines that Sluggo made on clear plastic and move them up less than that one minute and it all fell into place - I did this after he was here, but I didn't know what I was doing. You guys make no sense out of stupid old woman talk - but I could show you what I am trying to say. What this plastic route did was also making the lower part work - when the pilot told me he could see the lights of Vancouver & Portland to his right. The path would be basically the same just move slightly North in the overlay. What it did was put the most Easterly part of the flight near Battleground in line with ALL of the things he told me and showed me - things NO one could have known if they were NOT there. So help me GOD strike me dead tonight if any of you think I am exaggeration or making one tiny bit of this up - I am not. I wish I had the exact route on clear plastic and a map that shows the areas under it and the roads done by a map person - it is ALL there - it IS ALL there! One fricking minute off. Then I move the plastic slightly east and per the map (that is about 2 miles North) and (2 miles East) and every fricking thing matches the place Duane took me and showed me and the things he told me...it is fricking all there. Maybe the wind carried him 2 miles north and 2 miles East - I DON't think so - Some how U guys are OFF 2 miles East and 2 miles west. How much time in that in minutes? Please tell me that much. I had done this yrs ago and came up with the same thing - but NO ONE ever heard me - I am just that DUMB old WOMAN who is a liar and a fantasy story teller. I am NOT. I am the only living person who Duane took back there and he actually retraced his movements on the ground - but DUMB STUPID WOMAN didnt' know he was describing a crime he commited and got away with. Again today - I asked 2 other individuals in their 60's if they had to describe the things they wore when they were about 20 yrs of age - how would they describe items they wore. I asked specifically what they considered jewelry - NOT one of them mentioned a WATCH - A damn watch WAS not jewelry in 1971. They immediately mentioned rings bracelets, earrings and jacket or dress pins/broaches. NO one mentioned a watch. Then I asked them a direct question. What about a watch? Same answer - a watch was NOT considered jewelry unless it was encrusted with diamonds and extremely dressy. A watch was a necessity - NOT jewelry. We didn't have cell phones and IPods with the time on them. Sorry I am on my soap box, but I have to get someone to REALLY listen! Didn't mean to go here just wanted to point out the 2 miles (regardless of how that translates in time on your charts). NO one need answer this - You guys stay on topic, but remember the things I have told over and over. Never forget the things I have told - maybe someday someone will find the answers and I will be vindicated. NEVER EVER classify me as being like KNOSS or Belvins. I have LIVED this nightmare Duane put on me. I WISH I had never FOUND out who DAN COOPER was. These last 17 yrs could have been so different had I never have found out who DAN Cooper was. I never connected DAN COOPER to D.B. Not until the night I read that DAMN book by Max Gunther I am not CRAZY or DELUSIONAL and I never made this shit up. The only thing I have done is chase the theories - the hows and the whys and the suspects. I did not make it to Lake Merwin or Yale lake on my trip - NOW I wish I had made it that far! No Duane did NOT take me there. He just told me about those places - I have not been there. If I have I do not remember it. In 2000 the Crew took me on the NORTH side of the river to Lake Merwin - the water was rough on the river at the motel they did some of the interview in. I told them I had NOT been there and I knew I had not been there. 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georger 197 #40233 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins******Robert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. Let's take just one of your straw men above - the evidence. Maybe you can enlighten us about what this evidence you keep referring to is? The "official flight path" is nothing more than 2 maps, one with an attempt to put time stamps on it. That map is not evidence but the result of supposed evidence(s). Where is this evidence you keep talking about? The radio transcripts and the maps have been in place for some years now. No one has been able to discredit them to date. If you think they are wrong, go to the sources. As for me, I believe them unless new evidence to the contrary comes along. It's also 'Put Up or Shut Up' if you are going to question those items. You're asking me. You should be investigating sources. Well that reply makes no sense at all! Insignificance is like a painted flower; it never wilts. Chair when number eleven shakes beliefs widely held. Utter nonsense lies ahead, what with the future yet to come. Blevins significance is a storyteller without equal because Stupidity approaches at high velocity! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 37 #40234 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins******Robert99 keeps trying to equate the money found at Tina Bar with the flight path. But the evidence (so far) does not necessarily lend itself to that conclusion. Tina Bar is on the WEST side of Interstate 5, and the official flight path is about five miles EAST of that point. In other words, there is no evidence that Flight 305 passed within five miles or less of Tina Bar. Let's take just one of your straw men above - the evidence. Maybe you can enlighten us about what this evidence you keep referring to is? The "official flight path" is nothing more than 2 maps, one with an attempt to put time stamps on it. That map is not evidence but the result of supposed evidence(s). Where is this evidence you keep talking about? The radio transcripts and the maps have been in place for some years now. No one has been able to discredit them to date. If you think they are wrong, go to the sources. As for me, I believe them unless new evidence to the contrary comes along. It's also 'Put Up or Shut Up' if you are going to question those items. You're asking me. You should be investigating sources. Blevins, You obviously have still NOT read the radio transcripts! Have you noticed any discussion on this thread about the lack of information in the transcripts concerning the airliner's location when it was in the Portland area? Read the transcripts and read the posts! Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeyerLouie 5 #40235 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins***Meyer Louie says in part, regarding the murder of Earl Cossey: 'Hmmm... a friend of 30 years is surprised to hear about the divorce of a financially well-to-do friend. Is it just me, or is that a red flag? So, half of the spoils still leaves husband and wife both rich? How many times has that kept anyone from doing dasdardly things to keep it all to themselves. I think you can see who my suspect is.... just thinking out loud....' You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that. Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood. _______________________________________________ I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations. Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator. Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations. The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes, So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40236 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins If you doubt any provided information, you have to go to the SOURCES. Journalism 101. Investigations 101. Always try to get people to go on the record. That way, you can compare what THEY say against the provided information. Didn't any of you read All The President's Men? It's the best primer on journalism ever written. Forget the stupid placard. You will never be able to prove anything about it one way or another. It was discovered along the basic flight path YEARS after the FBI established that path. It actually supports the idea that the flight path is correct. What will you believe? A placard that fluttered down from thousands of feet in this wind or that, or RADAR? The placard is an interesting piece of garbage from 305, and little else. Georger says in part: Quote 'Hominid did an analysis of the placard drop, using govt placard drop test data (yes such tests were conducted). The placard for all practical purposes is right under the FP and obeyed the drift parameters assumed in the NWA DZ La Center probability map - the white chart...' Key phrase: 'right under the FP' (Flight path) Blevins I sense a massive failure to communicate. It's not personal. If you don't understand what WE are talking about how can you possibly criticise it? It works both ways! We can also not understand what you are talking about ... its not personal. Ani dober b'ivrit. Qen? Lo? Kah-ha ka-ha. You dont understand this. I dont understand you. We speak a different language. We are different people... So here's what to do: (a) Continue as you have been with whatever it is seems to make sense to you. (b) Believe everything Tom Kaye says. If TK say green, think green, whatever colour that is to you/ If Tom say 'take two steps right', then take two steps right. Say everything TK says verbatim. Everything should work out fine. And keep off our 10% of the island! You and Jo can have the other 90% ! Ma nish ma? mosal tov. erev tov. Good nite Irene! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40237 May 17, 2013 MeyerLouie ******Meyer Louie says in part, regarding the murder of Earl Cossey: 'Hmmm... a friend of 30 years is surprised to hear about the divorce of a financially well-to-do friend. Is it just me, or is that a red flag? So, half of the spoils still leaves husband and wife both rich? How many times has that kept anyone from doing dasdardly things to keep it all to themselves. I think you can see who my suspect is.... just thinking out loud....' You know, Meyer...you came down pretty hard on me for suggesting that Cossey's murder was probably related to a burglary. And then the Woodinville police chief classifies it as such at a recent City Council meeting. I had to sit here and read major frickin' insults from you about that. Now...you have the nerve to start naming suspects? You are hinting that Cossey's elderly wife had something to do with it? WTH is that all about? You have not a clue from any of the limited information that has been released to even go down that path. At least when I said it was a possible burglary-in-progress, I had something to go on. The cops photographing window latches, for example, and other things around the front door. Those were shown on KIRO-TV. Also, the history of excessive burglaries in Cossey's neighborhood. _______________________________________________ I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations. Since I have the nerve to speculate wildly, let me continue.... You bet your ass the former Mrs. Cossey is a suspect, and will be until she can be crossed off the suspect list. She's probably at the top of that list, it's SOP -- investigators always start with family members. And why is that Blevins? Do you know? That's right, with homicides, the probability is quite high that a family member or friend of the victim will be the perpetrator. Why might there be suspicion with Mrs. Cossey? Well, let's see now.....Earl Cossey and Mrs. Cossey are married for years and years. Then they suddenly get divorced (even a friend of 30 years is surprised by that development --friends of 30 years usually see the marital problems of their friends coming -- it's rarely a surprise -- at least that's been the case with my life-long friends who've gone through divorces). A year after the divorce, Earl Cossey is brutally murdered. I'm not saying the wife did it, or it's a murder for hire, but the timing is mighty interesting, a red flag if you will -- sooooo, it needs to be checked out, period. The ex has to be considered a suspect until she can be officially eliminated. What's so crazy about that, Blevins? It's SOP in homicide investigations. The police photographed window latches and "other things" around the front door. Okay, good, so what? You know Blevins, burglaries are not always random. Thieves with inside knowledge of where the loot is stored can be the most dangerous. Loose lips over cocktails, with a monster, at the casino, is all it takes, So, there it is, my wild speculations about possible suspects. Don't like that, Blevins? Don't really care. MeyerLouie Quote I tend to think the gambling is a lead to follow especially if he was known (by certain people!) to keep cash around. $25k would be enough for someone doing something stupid and if caught by Coss then a struggle and any old guy would get the worst of it ... what a sad tale whatever it is! Good luck with it - ... Never take more than $40 to a casino! The meal should be $20 and that leaves $20 for the penny slots. You can sit and sip two beers and raise hell all night and have a wonderful time on $20! And be sober to drive home avoiding deer, smelling the fresh midnight air all the way home, looking for ufo's, and listening to Dolly Parton on the radio - life can be good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #40238 May 17, 2013 This was taken from Sluggo's site, information was written by Robert99.... Even if, as Captain Bohan reportedly claimed, the winds at 14,000 feet were 80 knots from 160 degrees in the Portland area, all available evidence indicates that the winds were only 30 knots or less at the 10,000 foot altitude where NWA 305 flew. I believe even you have questioned the weather that evening, if they have the weather wrong and used this information along with the radar data with the plotting, how is it going to be correct? did they radar show a little dot where the plane was and show the area around it like you would see on a GPS? attempt 32. I am not trying to discredit anything, you seem to use this term loosely when it come to the flight path. nobody has attempted anything like this other than Robert99 who has done extensive calculations on the path. how is this any different than you claiming the Amboy chute is not what they say it is? why are you trying to discredit the FBI? basically it seems ok for you to say the chute is wrong that the FBI has. they are wrong for not looking further into the KC question. they are right on believing Cooper jumped at 8:12. they are wrong on the official description of Cooper, but, the transcripts are 100% along with the flight path? you said a lot of smart people were on this, wasn't a lot of smart people on the Amboy chute, the descriptions etc.? that " piece of garbage " did help establish the flight path location. I see a difference between discredit, validation and human error. val·i·date (vl-dt) tr.v. val·i·dat·ed, val·i·dat·ing, val·i·dates 1. To declare or make legally valid. 2. To mark with an indication of official sanction. 3. To establish the soundness of; corroborate. why is it always pages and pages talking to Blevins on one given subject, are you really that smart? it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles......."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #40239 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsBefore you two go any farther with this Cossey stuff (I feel now that my possible burglary-in-progress scenario was rather tame) you should know that there have been three more burglaries in the same area since Cossey died. One guy was caught yesterday. He's in jail. Maybe the police are speaking to him right now. You never know. The news that Cossey was an occasional gambler only came out recently, with the mailing-back of the ID, the casino membership, and the credit cards. So...there IS some room to say that it's possible someone from the casino, or who knew Cossey went there...etc. Yes, that is possible. I'm still going to leave off any references to family members until some evidence is presented. MeyerLouie says in part: Quote'I'll go down any path I choose to. Bite me. As if you have any room to talk -- with all your never-ending, outlandish, ridiculous, non-substantiated claims and speculations...' Non-substantiated? Guess again. Anytime you want to check a quoted source I've named, feel free to do so. what happened to the RobertMblevins who said they were no longer going to report on the Cossey case? is that out the window like leaving the thread and not responding to Georger, or not really caring about the Cooper case???????????????????????"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #40240 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevinsWell, it's been pretty silent on Cossey from everyone. Police? I've never seen them so quiet on a case where residents are SO pissed off. Maybe this is nothing, but here are some of the most recent burglaries between May 6-13th in Woodinville. Notice the THIRD one. Picture is attached. It's like two blocks from Cossey's place. In this one, they caught the guy. Who knows? Maybe the cops are talking to him. Quote'4. Residential Burglary – 17100 blk of 131st Ave NE. Victim reported unknown suspect(s) entered his residence by jimmying the sliding glass patio door latch. Once inside suspect(s) ransacked the residence and stole a large flat panel plasma TV, a game system and games, two laptops, jewelry, alcohol, cash, and toilet paper. 5. Commercial Burglary– 12400 blk of NE 173rd PL. Victim reported unknown suspect(s) broke out a window that accessed two businesses, however no entry was made. 6. Residential Burglary- 19400 blk of 148th Ave NE. Victim called 911 to report an unknown suspect in his new residence as he was moving items in. The suspect left on a dark colored motorcycle wearing a red helmet as officers responded to the area. The victim advised officers that the suspect had gone through his boxes and ate and drank his food. The investigation resulted in the suspect being positively identified. Deputies located the suspect later in the evening and booked him in to the King County Jail with pending burglary charges.' I will take the same action as the police.....no comment.."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #40241 May 17, 2013 I'm looking into the SAGE radar further than I have before.. The Sage radar had some 50,000 vacuum tubes...... Vacuum tubes didn't have a very long life. With all those tubes in the computer (I Don't remember how many), the mean time to failure was a few minutes. Solution: Marginal testing where voltages would be systematically lowered and tubes that were on the verge of failing would be pushed to fail during testing. Diagnostic marginal testing software automated the process and used the computer to pinpoint its own failures. skipping ahead here..... The Last of the SAGE Techs I arrived at McChord AFB in Tacoma, WA, in January of 1983, after finishing tech school at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS. At Keesler, the systems we trained on seemed a bit behind the times, including the BUIC (BackUp Interceptor Control), based on the Burroughs D825. I figured though, that once I reached my permanent duty assignment, I'd get to work on some more modern equipment. When I received my assignment, I was quite distressed to discover that I'd be working on the AN/FSQ-7 and its 50,000 vacuum tubes, installed in 1958! McChords' Q7 was nearing the end of its service life, and I found myself in the last group of technicians to be trained and qualified on the Q7. Things weren't as bad as I anticipated, though, and I was eventually selected for one of the four remaining maintenance slots on the new system, the AN/FYQ-93 (ROCC). I spent 8 months working on the Q7, before heading for Tyndall AFB in Panama City, FL for training on the new system. all of this can be found on the link provided, including pics of the McChord Sage radar.... http://www.smecc.org/sage_a_n_fsq-7.htm http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/SAGE/"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40242 May 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins Before you two go any farther with this Cossey stuff ah yes I forgot! You and AB Books & House Cleaning OWN the Cossey case! I should-uv known! Never fails... Is it OK with you if Law Enforcement gets involved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #40243 May 17, 2013 Quote it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles].kkSj Shutter - JO trys NOT to get involved in the technical stuff other than what I have known and believe to be accurate. Like the ice on the plate. All I need is the short replies made to indicate WHY the statements are made. PLEASE leave JO out of you remarks about Blevins and BK. I am NOT in their category. Recently I only post things I feel you guys need to know or might be interested in. What I think about the flight means nothing in the scientific end to this thing.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40244 May 17, 2013 mrshutter45 This was taken from Sluggo's site, information was written by Robert99.... Even if, as Captain Bohan reportedly claimed, the winds at 14,000 feet were 80 knots from 160 degrees in the Portland area, all available evidence indicates that the winds were only 30 knots or less at the 10,000 foot altitude where NWA 305 flew. I believe even you have questioned the weather that evening, if they have the weather wrong and used this information along with the radar data with the plotting, how is it going to be correct? did they radar show a little dot where the plane was and show the area around it like you would see on a GPS? attempt 32. I am not trying to discredit anything, you seem to use this term loosely when it come to the flight path. nobody has attempted anything like this other than Robert99 who has done extensive calculations on the path. how is this any different than you claiming the Amboy chute is not what they say it is? why are you trying to discredit the FBI? basically it seems ok for you to say the chute is wrong that the FBI has. they are wrong for not looking further into the KC question. they are right on believing Cooper jumped at 8:12. they are wrong on the official description of Cooper, but, the transcripts are 100% along with the flight path? you said a lot of smart people were on this, wasn't a lot of smart people on the Amboy chute, the descriptions etc.? that " piece of garbage " did help establish the flight path location. I see a difference between discredit, validation and human error. val·i·date (vl-dt) tr.v. val·i·dat·ed, val·i·dat·ing, val·i·dates 1. To declare or make legally valid. 2. To mark with an indication of official sanction. 3. To establish the soundness of; corroborate. why is it always pages and pages talking to Blevins on one given subject, are you really that smart? it seems to be a pattern with Jo, BK and Blevins when it come to any given topic, page after page of debating? I go back and forth maybe 3 or 4 times with other posters, but not you 3? most things are done off this thread in order to avoid these constant battles....... maybe best just to ignore the ADD robot ..? I mean: not all states of the universe are relevant, must be taken into account, in order to butter bread on one's kitchen counter! I never ask Blevins if I may get in my car a go to town! I would be going in circles forever if I did - In other words: JUST IGNORE THE TROLL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #40245 May 17, 2013 Robert99*** Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #40246 May 17, 2013 skyjack71****** Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong. exactly what direction did the plane change at this point?"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #40247 May 17, 2013 mrshutter45********* Robert 99 Stated: QuoteBut Hominid's claim that the placard does not tell us anything about the airliner's flight path is nonsense. And the same goes for his remarks about the money found at Tina Bar. : I WAS SAYING, IN YOUR QUOTE ABOVE, THAT THE PLACARD AND MONEY FOUND AT TINA BAR WERE DEFINITELY SIGNIFICANT IN DETERMINING THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HIJACKED AIRLINER. In case you don't remember, Hominid was saying that they were not significant. I fully understand that you are claiming the money was planted at Tina Bar by Duane. I assume that you are still claiming that the flight path was EAST of Portland and that the placard blew UPWIND to the location where it was found. Robert99 At the point below were they found the Placard there was a directional change in the plane just below that. If the Aft Stair was down or partially down - the winds could have caught it and the placard it would have ended ed up where it was found. It was past that point Cooper jumped...just a little further East and South of that. My map have been TAKEN or I lost them...so I am doing this from memory! I will make a correction later if I find I am wrong. exactly what direction did the plane change at this point? attached - will get you more tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #40248 May 17, 2013 Please Georger - give me two fricking miles to the EAST. Just two miles and tell me the wind drift speed. How far could Cooper drift after the plane crossed the Lake and Just before. The plane was barely West of Mt St. Helens. The Co-pilot wanted to DUMP Cooper! They were NOT flying a straight line - they told the Co-pilot to do what he had to do. The co-pilot knew the aft stairs had opened. He wanted Cooper OFF of that plane. Two Fricking miles at 2011 and the wind drift to the East. Witnesses have claimed the plane was just WEST of St.Helens and then it dropped & came in very LOUD around Kelly Road. (Do not know if the witnesses meant East of West of their location. TWO FRICKING miles and the wind drift - which way was Cooper drifting to the East? Dumb woman Questions! God put that woman in that shop yesterday - WHY! Co-incidence. I think NOT. I think GOD is guiding me right now. Ever since New Yrs eve. The FBI told me twice since then - You can put him in a chute, but you have to put him on the plane. Not much time left - have to finish this now. 2 Damn MILES!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #40249 May 17, 2013 who in the world pays a house cleaner $300 for a day? Cost estimates: In a larger metropolitan area, for a medium-sized apartment or house, plan on paying at least $100 for cleaning twice a month. In less populated cities or towns, for an average-sized house (2500 square feet), around $75 is a typical fee. For a large national chain, monthly cleaning service in a three-bedroom, two-bathroom home, runs around $175 per cleaning."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #40250 May 18, 2013 Quote exactly what direction did the plane change at this point? It is the time line. ONE minute off. I cannot understand the map Sluggo provided me. But, the time is off 1 minute. Door was open as they approached the West side of Mt. St. Helens. If you move up with this one minute it puts the curve the co-ordinated mention Just a little higher. When I do this on the old map I have that move the slight curve that goes to the East just a little higher. When I do this EVERYTHING works with the things I was shown. I do NOT believe the Eastward drift can account for the things I was told and shown. BUT moving the flight path North & East of what You guys are trying to do - shifts everything into alignment with what I know. This includes conversations with the pilot which he kept UN-technical and I cross this with what the witnesses told me yrs ago and it is ALL there - everything I know and was told and saw - even though I had NO CLUE I was being shown things that indicated a landing spot or landmarks. Move ONE minute higher and then everything works with everything I was told and shown. The maps I have I cannot read well. I drew the lines that Sluggo made on clear plastic and move them up less than that one minute and it all fell into place - I did this after he was here, but I didn't know what I was doing. You guys make no sense out of stupid old woman talk - but I could show you what I am trying to say. What this plastic route did was also making the lower part work - when the pilot told me he could see the lights of Vancouver & Portland to his right. The path would be basically the same just move slightly North in the overlay. What it did was put the most Easterly part of the flight near Battleground in line with ALL of the things he told me and showed me - things NO one could have known if they were NOT there. So help me GOD strike me dead tonight if any of you think I am exaggeration or making one tiny bit of this up - I am not. I wish I had the exact route on clear plastic and a map that shows the areas under it and the roads done by a map person - it is ALL there - it IS ALL there! One fricking minute off. Then I move the plastic slightly east and per the map (that is about 2 miles North) and (2 miles East) and every fricking thing matches the place Duane took me and showed me and the things he told me...it is fricking all there. Maybe the wind carried him 2 miles north and 2 miles East - I DON't think so - Some how U guys are OFF 2 miles East and 2 miles west. How much time in that in minutes? Please tell me that much. I had done this yrs ago and came up with the same thing - but NO ONE ever heard me - I am just that DUMB old WOMAN who is a liar and a fantasy story teller. I am NOT. I am the only living person who Duane took back there and he actually retraced his movements on the ground - but DUMB STUPID WOMAN didnt' know he was describing a crime he commited and got away with. Again today - I asked 2 other individuals in their 60's if they had to describe the things they wore when they were about 20 yrs of age - how would they describe items they wore. I asked specifically what they considered jewelry - NOT one of them mentioned a WATCH - A damn watch WAS not jewelry in 1971. They immediately mentioned rings bracelets, earrings and jacket or dress pins/broaches. NO one mentioned a watch. Then I asked them a direct question. What about a watch? Same answer - a watch was NOT considered jewelry unless it was encrusted with diamonds and extremely dressy. A watch was a necessity - NOT jewelry. We didn't have cell phones and IPods with the time on them. Sorry I am on my soap box, but I have to get someone to REALLY listen! Didn't mean to go here just wanted to point out the 2 miles (regardless of how that translates in time on your charts). NO one need answer this - You guys stay on topic, but remember the things I have told over and over. Never forget the things I have told - maybe someday someone will find the answers and I will be vindicated. NEVER EVER classify me as being like KNOSS or Belvins. I have LIVED this nightmare Duane put on me. I WISH I had never FOUND out who DAN COOPER was. These last 17 yrs could have been so different had I never have found out who DAN Cooper was. I never connected DAN COOPER to D.B. Not until the night I read that DAMN book by Max Gunther I am not CRAZY or DELUSIONAL and I never made this shit up. The only thing I have done is chase the theories - the hows and the whys and the suspects. I did not make it to Lake Merwin or Yale lake on my trip - NOW I wish I had made it that far! No Duane did NOT take me there. He just told me about those places - I have not been there. If I have I do not remember it. In 2000 the Crew took me on the NORTH side of the river to Lake Merwin - the water was rough on the river at the motel they did some of the interview in. I told them I had NOT been there and I knew I had not been there. That was my first and only time anywhere near Lake Merwin.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
