BobKnoss 0 #21801 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Isnt it funny that the incidence of alleged genuine UFO photos hasn't skyrocketed with the advent of cell phone cameras? Those ANNUNAKIs have obviously developed technology that can detect CCD and CMOS image sensors and stay out of range. They never could perfect their photo film detectors. NANU NANU. NUNU NUNU. ANNUNAKI GO GO GO. 377 It was the popular belief when the Government wanted to advance the claims of aliens in order to create a backlash and busywork for the Russians. Now they cultivate Cooper fenoms in order to take interest away from the conspiracies. Better if they would can swine entrails to throw in the graves of al-Qaida terrorists. That's what the British did and it ended the uprisings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #21802 February 19, 2011 QuoteSeries Proposal, Final Draft, Fox Network Title: The Bob Knoss Show Starring: Bob Knoss Directed by: Bob Knoss Other Contributors: (You guess, but his name starts with a 'B') Script proposal: Two hour program (running time 88 minutes) based on the famous 'D.B. Cooper' case. Program will demonstrate how the 1971 hijacking was not just a single incident, but two linked incidents that occurred about seven months apart and were sponsored by the Federal Aviation Administration and the CIA, with tacit cooperation by the FBI. Source material has been revealed recently (*Eyes Only*) on which the show will be based: Code name: 'Project Norjack'. (In order to deceive the public, the FBI has been instructed to use this name later to refer to one of the hijackings) Purpose of mission: To force Congress into enacting more stringent laws regarding aircraft safety and the prevention of future hijackings. Basic plan: Secretly train at least two or more people in a secret location, using secret parachutes and classified aircraft, until they become familiar with the varied skills they will need to accomplish the mission. Training should include emphasis on ordering scotch and soda, threatening aircrew and stewardesses with death, opening the airstairs on Boeing 727's in flight, 'expert' designation in the selection of sunglasses, the construction of fake bombs, and the proper use of a knife to cut paracord. Once training is complete, each trainee will be dropped off at an airport to complete their mission. Should they survive, they will be allowed to keep the extorted money in exchange for their silence. U.S. Army ground search forces and most of the FBI will be kept out of the loop, as they would naturally consider these hijackers as criminals. If successful, new laws by Congress will almost certainly be passed. As an added benefit, costs for lobbying will be kept at a minimum. Just before the trained hijackers are dropped off at their airports, they should be given a business card with the following printed on it: Quote'Your mission...should you decide to accept it...is to...' The back side of the card should read: Quote'In the event you are caught or captured, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your existence...' *This project has been approved for implemention by the Airline Pilots Association* A perfect example of how you can't register what was said. You got it as wrong as Jo does all the time. Gotta try hard to be that far off. You really are not very bright, Blevins. Four misspellings, ten major factual errors and a wrong assumption that I have a notoriety brain clot like you. Go back to your push broom ya money-grubbing troll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #21803 February 19, 2011 Quote It's YOUR story. No, dummy, it is your parody. A satire has some truth in it. It is not what I have said at all. You need remedial lessons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #21804 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuote It's YOUR story. No, dummy, it is your parody. A satire has some truth in it. It is not what I have said at all. You need remedial lessons. Hey Bob, knock off the name calling or take a vacation.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 104 #21805 February 19, 2011 QuoteYou funny guy! Obviously you not too well informed. Go back and study facts before assuming faulty conclusion. We been through all that dribble. Man who open mouth in bi-plane bound to eat crow. Man who jump mouth first bound to have crack-up. Help me out. Is "irony" the correct term for what's going on here? Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #21806 February 19, 2011 Purpose of mission: To force Congress into enacting more stringent laws regarding airline passenger safety and the prevention of future hijackings. Quote as usual, you need to do some basic research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21807 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuotePurpose of mission: To force Congress into enacting more stringent laws regarding airline passenger safety and the prevention of future hijackings. Quote as usual, you need to do some basic research. Research? If you mean running up Bob's posts where he says this stuff, I can do that both here and on Facebook. Maybe this conspiracy thing regarding the Cooper case is like the Bird Flu. You just sort of catch it if you hang around with someone who has it long enough. Personally, I don't buy into Bob's theory. forget Bobby. Im referring to the history of legislation and treaties (1950-1980) which will put both your and Bob's claims ... in perspective. Its a bit hard to claim a project was required to force legislation when in fact legislation had already occurred ... ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21808 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePurpose of mission: To force Congress into enacting more stringent laws regarding airline passenger safety and the prevention of future hijackings. Quote as usual, you need to do some basic research. Research? If you mean running up Bob's posts where he says this stuff, I can do that both here and on Facebook. Maybe this conspiracy thing regarding the Cooper case is like the Bird Flu. You just sort of catch it if you hang around with someone who has it long enough. Personally, I don't buy into Bob's theory. forget Bobby. Im referring to the history of legislation and treaties (1950-1980) which will put both your and Bob's claims ... in perspective. Its a bit hard to claim a project was required to force legislation when in fact legislation had already ocurred ... ??? Come on, Georger. I posted this link up like four pages back in response to Knoss and his silly claims: http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Government_Role/security/POL18.htm so why argue with Bob? He obviously has another agenda which has nothing to do with facts. Do you think you will change him? You already posted a link to legislation. That is all you can do. unless you like arguing ...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #21809 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou funny guy! Obviously you not too well informed. Go back and study facts before assuming faulty conclusion. We been through all that dribble. Man who open mouth in bi-plane bound to eat crow. Man who jump mouth first bound to have crack-up. Help me out. Is "irony" the correct term for what's going on here? Mark If you're not delusional, yes.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21810 February 19, 2011 Quote[PROJECT NORJAK] ORIGINAL PLAN: A Pilot's Union organizer with goals of airline safety and a lot of personal ideas meets a pilot friend with similar goals. They are both heavily into parachuting, one having made high altitude jumps and achieved instructor status as a rigger. They find they have very much in common and become lifetime friends. They come up with an idea to run a demonstration of how poor safety is for pilots and their passengers, incorporate a parachuting dream jump off the rear stairs of a 727, and draw attention to the need for the organizers designs for an aerodynamic lock for the rear stairs. They will ask for a ransom of $200,000 and return the money after the exercise. PLAN GROWS: In order to not be criminal, the ideas are discussed with Minnesota FAA officials related to a fellow NW airline pilot. The idea is applauded. So, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. So, they go up the ladder with the request to execute an exercise. PLAN APPROVED: The plan is given a formal name in 1968, "Project Norjak." The FBI guy is put in charge of the Project. McCoy goes to Seattle to brief that office. Weber is chosen by McCoy as the jumper as he is afraid to do it himself. He has used Weber before successfully. A trainer is chosen from McCoy's past, and I am brought in as a witness in case thing go foul. Duane and I are subjected to MK Ultra (BlueBird). PLAN MODIFIED: The scheduled trainer gets a major job opportunity with Bell Telephone and scores highest in the qualification tests. He accepts a position in Omaha in the main office. The organizer decides to take a risk and do the training job himself. TRAINING BEGINS: From May through August Duane Weber is trained for the demonstration. Each detail is meticulously gone over, planned by the organizer, who is dyslexic. He uses his affliction to confuse the entire plan. It is easier for him to understand. In the meantime the plan has gone up the ladder while negotiations continue between the FAA and the airlines on how to improve safety. Regulations are written and presented to a balking congress. Duane's wife absconds with the rent funds from the apartment complex they are caretaking. Two weeks later they are returned and everything is hushed up. NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE: No progress. Finally it is decided to use the safety demonstration as a coercion to allow the President to force ratification of the Montreal Convention and cram the new FAA regulations down the throat of the airlines by forcing legislation on Congress. THE ORDER IS GIVEN: Holiday flights were always easy to get for a pilot with seniority as nobody really wanted them. An extra flight was added to insure minimum passengers, Duane was notified and the game was on. McCoy IS NOTIFIED: When the anouncement was made the hijacking was in progress, McCoy was called at home. He was having Thanksgiving dinner with his family. He finished his meal and flew directly to Washington while the plane waited for him to arrive. He boarded a helicopter with an FBI Agent and attempted to follow the 727, but did not have the speed. Interceptors sent out were too fast to be of value. FLIGHT PATH: The flight path had been carefully flown before noting fixed point references and vectors for radio signals in the light of day to insure accurate drop zone location at night. It was known that the flight path would be recorded accurately but the location would be based on other references. They could be 15 miles off course and not be recognized. This was done to disguise the actual drop area. Unfortunately "Janet" saw the plane and reported it to the office. JANET: The report of "Janet" came into the office and McCoy was notified as the Project ground supervisor. McCoy made a call on Janet as soon as possible and threatened her to be quiet. She could expose the real location of the flight path. DUANE JUMPED: Duane jumped from the plane with a pre-determined verbal signal over his chosen spot. He wore combat boots, two pair of thermal underwear, a raincoat and tied the money to his body with parachute chord. He used the chute with the "X" on the outside and secured it to the back of his rig. He landed in the woods and walked 15 miles to his destination by following a clear-cut. He banged his right leg on the stairs as it rebounded during the jump. It was cold, but he warmed rapidly from his hike. DUANE HEADS OUT: Duane stopped by the home of the Bell Telephone friend in Omaha for a meal, then off to New Orleans to a pre-determined job washing dishes. McCoy JUMPS: Six months later, McCoy made a follow-up jump without any FAA or FBI assistance. Two aggressive FBI agents wanting to make a name for themselves would not play the game, and a prison sentence was handed down. It was turned into another under-cover operation to gain the return of a large amount of cash stolen in a bank robbery by a thief named Walker. McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. His record there is impressive. Duane was given a job as an insurance agent for the company that reimbursed the money Duane was never able to recover. TINA GETS ABUSE: Tina supposedly gets teased about saving everyone's life by distracting Duane with sex. She is given a bottle of French "whore" perfume. She gets repeatedly worse and is finally treated with BlueBird tactics. THE SPINNERS SPIN: Misinformation was generated from the very onset of the Project and has grown to an unmanageable proportion today. From the erroneous "DB" on Cooper's name that was let ride, to the far-fetched "KC" fable manufactured of late. Hundreds of 'wannabe' Coopers have shown up and plagued the FBI offices, draining resources and manpower. It is a really high price to pay. Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. I cannot tell how the truth may be; I say the tale as it was said to me. ~Sir Walter Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #21811 February 19, 2011 Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #21812 February 19, 2011 Orange one . Excellent call Brilliant. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #21813 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....?Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21814 February 19, 2011 History as it really happened. February, 1969. FAA created an eight man Task Force on the Deterrence of Air Piracy. (Included our FAA executive from Norjak) August 29, 1969. First hijacking of a US aircraft outside our hemisphere. March 17, 1970. First pilot death in a domestic hijacking. April 9, 1970. 727-200's permitted to operate. (Jumbo) July 17, 1970. First airport introduces passenger profiling. September 11, 1970. Nixon introduces anti-hijacking program. September 25, 1970. DOJ announces spit jurisdiction with FBI/FAA. October 28, 1970. Air Marshals FAA program instituted. May 14, 1971. Courts uphold anti-hijacking profiling and searches. June 12, 1971. First passenger death in a domestic hijacking. September 23, 1971. Montreal Convention signed, but not ratified until November 1, 1972. THIS WAS THE PROBLEM! November 24, 1971. First extortion hijacking. Dan Cooper, et al. Take some of their money to get their attention. November 27, 1971. Nixon signed into law legislation amending the Airport and Airway Development Act of 1970 to clarify further the intent of Congress as to its priorities for airway revitalization and airport development. March 7, 1972. New security measures instituted. Nixon issues orders for immediate compliance of safety procedures. March 9, 1972. Nixon orders new airport safety regulations be instituted immediately. March 15, 1972. Nixon issues orders for increased security forces. More sky marshal deployment, he increases funding for metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs, and expedited prosecution of hijackers. He signed his directive bypassing Congress. March 22, 1972. Nixon signed into law the International Air Rates Act, which amended the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 to authorize the CAB to end unreasonable or discriminatory rates or practices by air carriers in foreign air transportation. April 7, 1972. McCoy hijacks a plane and jumps over Utah. Maybe $500,000 will get their attention? June 19, 1972. 24 hour world-wide pilot's strike against hijackers. September 15, 1972. 17 nation hijacking conference signing was REFUSED!! October 29, 1972. A rash of hijacking started to Cuba. November 1, 1972. Montreal Convention finally ratified by Congress. December 5, 1972. The landmark FAA anti-hijacking emergency rule that went from simple profiling to 100% inspection of passengers was instituted by Nixon. This was Nixon's magic edict. January 5, 1973. responding to hijacking threats, the FAA initiates universal pre-boarding electronic screening of passengers and inspection of their carry-on luggage. February 15, 1973. U.S. and Cuba signed hijacking agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 150 #21815 February 19, 2011 So to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21816 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training? The training WAS jumping, most every weekend. He also got constant instructions on what was to happen, when to do what, etc. And it was 3 months... May 15th to August 15, approximately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21817 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh? Yah. Then he found out that "Tommy Gunn" was a porno star!!! So he changed it again to Poelchek or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21818 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....? He can speak for himself, or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21819 February 19, 2011 Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21820 February 19, 2011 Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "program" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do? Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. [Rhett walks off into the fog] ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21821 February 19, 2011 Duane's friend in Altanta needs for you to make him a copy of this tape. It will be delivered by a NEUTRAL third party. This is to be done privately - and NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. Do not contact him by phone ...his blood pressure is BOILING right now along with mine. I am also going to make a request of my own - send me copies of this map and letter you claim to have and a copy of the conversations you claim to have with me. I am thinking you are taking things I said out of context and things I argued with you about....just as you have in this thread. Be sure you do NOT edit yourself out! My heart can take NO MORE of YOU. I thought I was going to the ER last night and I am still having problems today. UNTIL you produce your evidence to the friend and myself - you will out of courtesy NOT discuss this matter. If after viewing and listening to this evidence we find we are in error - then there will be mediated communications, to explain what you might think you have....there is some kind of mis-communication involved either on your part or ours.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21822 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #21823 February 19, 2011 The clichés about the CIA, guns and what’s the other thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-b5PLhrEI Oh yeah…. peters. What’s up with that? Anyway, the Tommy gun was certainly synonymous with gangsters, G-Men and the violent public face America has presented to the world with great effect. I suppose it is better for the average citizen to be known for ample gun ownership versus women not shaving their armpits or the total lack of ice cubes which many European nations are known for. Except for San Marino, this may change once they get a woman to enter the country. Tommy Gunn, adult film star was not born till 1967 and did not begin his ‘career’ till 2004. Was there another porn star named Tommy Gunn? The British rock group ‘The Clash’ had a song called Tommy Gun in the late 70’s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZkS2rRd3G8 But I think they are better known for the most misheard song in the history of music called ‘Rock the Casbah’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWE3px40_g You can imagine my surprise to discover that Richard Lugar, Dick Armey and Dick Butkus were real names instead of clichés. Strange world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21824 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had? Had? http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html Have you got any orders for NOAA? Have you got any orders for the Sun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #21825 February 19, 2011 Jo says: Quoteand NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. A two party conversation can be taped legally, only if ONE of the participants consents to the taping. This means; if I am speaking with you on the phone and tape the conversation it would be legal. On the other hand, if you are engaged in conversation with another party, and your neighbor has installed a recording device to listen to your conversations, that would be illegal.Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 Next Page 873 of 2541 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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georger 197 #21807 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuotePurpose of mission: To force Congress into enacting more stringent laws regarding airline passenger safety and the prevention of future hijackings. Quote as usual, you need to do some basic research. Research? If you mean running up Bob's posts where he says this stuff, I can do that both here and on Facebook. Maybe this conspiracy thing regarding the Cooper case is like the Bird Flu. You just sort of catch it if you hang around with someone who has it long enough. Personally, I don't buy into Bob's theory. forget Bobby. Im referring to the history of legislation and treaties (1950-1980) which will put both your and Bob's claims ... in perspective. Its a bit hard to claim a project was required to force legislation when in fact legislation had already occurred ... ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21808 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePurpose of mission: To force Congress into enacting more stringent laws regarding airline passenger safety and the prevention of future hijackings. Quote as usual, you need to do some basic research. Research? If you mean running up Bob's posts where he says this stuff, I can do that both here and on Facebook. Maybe this conspiracy thing regarding the Cooper case is like the Bird Flu. You just sort of catch it if you hang around with someone who has it long enough. Personally, I don't buy into Bob's theory. forget Bobby. Im referring to the history of legislation and treaties (1950-1980) which will put both your and Bob's claims ... in perspective. Its a bit hard to claim a project was required to force legislation when in fact legislation had already ocurred ... ??? Come on, Georger. I posted this link up like four pages back in response to Knoss and his silly claims: http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Government_Role/security/POL18.htm so why argue with Bob? He obviously has another agenda which has nothing to do with facts. Do you think you will change him? You already posted a link to legislation. That is all you can do. unless you like arguing ...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #21809 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou funny guy! Obviously you not too well informed. Go back and study facts before assuming faulty conclusion. We been through all that dribble. Man who open mouth in bi-plane bound to eat crow. Man who jump mouth first bound to have crack-up. Help me out. Is "irony" the correct term for what's going on here? Mark If you're not delusional, yes.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21810 February 19, 2011 Quote[PROJECT NORJAK] ORIGINAL PLAN: A Pilot's Union organizer with goals of airline safety and a lot of personal ideas meets a pilot friend with similar goals. They are both heavily into parachuting, one having made high altitude jumps and achieved instructor status as a rigger. They find they have very much in common and become lifetime friends. They come up with an idea to run a demonstration of how poor safety is for pilots and their passengers, incorporate a parachuting dream jump off the rear stairs of a 727, and draw attention to the need for the organizers designs for an aerodynamic lock for the rear stairs. They will ask for a ransom of $200,000 and return the money after the exercise. PLAN GROWS: In order to not be criminal, the ideas are discussed with Minnesota FAA officials related to a fellow NW airline pilot. The idea is applauded. So, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. So, they go up the ladder with the request to execute an exercise. PLAN APPROVED: The plan is given a formal name in 1968, "Project Norjak." The FBI guy is put in charge of the Project. McCoy goes to Seattle to brief that office. Weber is chosen by McCoy as the jumper as he is afraid to do it himself. He has used Weber before successfully. A trainer is chosen from McCoy's past, and I am brought in as a witness in case thing go foul. Duane and I are subjected to MK Ultra (BlueBird). PLAN MODIFIED: The scheduled trainer gets a major job opportunity with Bell Telephone and scores highest in the qualification tests. He accepts a position in Omaha in the main office. The organizer decides to take a risk and do the training job himself. TRAINING BEGINS: From May through August Duane Weber is trained for the demonstration. Each detail is meticulously gone over, planned by the organizer, who is dyslexic. He uses his affliction to confuse the entire plan. It is easier for him to understand. In the meantime the plan has gone up the ladder while negotiations continue between the FAA and the airlines on how to improve safety. Regulations are written and presented to a balking congress. Duane's wife absconds with the rent funds from the apartment complex they are caretaking. Two weeks later they are returned and everything is hushed up. NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE: No progress. Finally it is decided to use the safety demonstration as a coercion to allow the President to force ratification of the Montreal Convention and cram the new FAA regulations down the throat of the airlines by forcing legislation on Congress. THE ORDER IS GIVEN: Holiday flights were always easy to get for a pilot with seniority as nobody really wanted them. An extra flight was added to insure minimum passengers, Duane was notified and the game was on. McCoy IS NOTIFIED: When the anouncement was made the hijacking was in progress, McCoy was called at home. He was having Thanksgiving dinner with his family. He finished his meal and flew directly to Washington while the plane waited for him to arrive. He boarded a helicopter with an FBI Agent and attempted to follow the 727, but did not have the speed. Interceptors sent out were too fast to be of value. FLIGHT PATH: The flight path had been carefully flown before noting fixed point references and vectors for radio signals in the light of day to insure accurate drop zone location at night. It was known that the flight path would be recorded accurately but the location would be based on other references. They could be 15 miles off course and not be recognized. This was done to disguise the actual drop area. Unfortunately "Janet" saw the plane and reported it to the office. JANET: The report of "Janet" came into the office and McCoy was notified as the Project ground supervisor. McCoy made a call on Janet as soon as possible and threatened her to be quiet. She could expose the real location of the flight path. DUANE JUMPED: Duane jumped from the plane with a pre-determined verbal signal over his chosen spot. He wore combat boots, two pair of thermal underwear, a raincoat and tied the money to his body with parachute chord. He used the chute with the "X" on the outside and secured it to the back of his rig. He landed in the woods and walked 15 miles to his destination by following a clear-cut. He banged his right leg on the stairs as it rebounded during the jump. It was cold, but he warmed rapidly from his hike. DUANE HEADS OUT: Duane stopped by the home of the Bell Telephone friend in Omaha for a meal, then off to New Orleans to a pre-determined job washing dishes. McCoy JUMPS: Six months later, McCoy made a follow-up jump without any FAA or FBI assistance. Two aggressive FBI agents wanting to make a name for themselves would not play the game, and a prison sentence was handed down. It was turned into another under-cover operation to gain the return of a large amount of cash stolen in a bank robbery by a thief named Walker. McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. His record there is impressive. Duane was given a job as an insurance agent for the company that reimbursed the money Duane was never able to recover. TINA GETS ABUSE: Tina supposedly gets teased about saving everyone's life by distracting Duane with sex. She is given a bottle of French "whore" perfume. She gets repeatedly worse and is finally treated with BlueBird tactics. THE SPINNERS SPIN: Misinformation was generated from the very onset of the Project and has grown to an unmanageable proportion today. From the erroneous "DB" on Cooper's name that was let ride, to the far-fetched "KC" fable manufactured of late. Hundreds of 'wannabe' Coopers have shown up and plagued the FBI offices, draining resources and manpower. It is a really high price to pay. Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. I cannot tell how the truth may be; I say the tale as it was said to me. ~Sir Walter Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #21811 February 19, 2011 Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #21812 February 19, 2011 Orange one . Excellent call Brilliant. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #21813 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....?Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21814 February 19, 2011 History as it really happened. February, 1969. FAA created an eight man Task Force on the Deterrence of Air Piracy. (Included our FAA executive from Norjak) August 29, 1969. First hijacking of a US aircraft outside our hemisphere. March 17, 1970. First pilot death in a domestic hijacking. April 9, 1970. 727-200's permitted to operate. (Jumbo) July 17, 1970. First airport introduces passenger profiling. September 11, 1970. Nixon introduces anti-hijacking program. September 25, 1970. DOJ announces spit jurisdiction with FBI/FAA. October 28, 1970. Air Marshals FAA program instituted. May 14, 1971. Courts uphold anti-hijacking profiling and searches. June 12, 1971. First passenger death in a domestic hijacking. September 23, 1971. Montreal Convention signed, but not ratified until November 1, 1972. THIS WAS THE PROBLEM! November 24, 1971. First extortion hijacking. Dan Cooper, et al. Take some of their money to get their attention. November 27, 1971. Nixon signed into law legislation amending the Airport and Airway Development Act of 1970 to clarify further the intent of Congress as to its priorities for airway revitalization and airport development. March 7, 1972. New security measures instituted. Nixon issues orders for immediate compliance of safety procedures. March 9, 1972. Nixon orders new airport safety regulations be instituted immediately. March 15, 1972. Nixon issues orders for increased security forces. More sky marshal deployment, he increases funding for metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs, and expedited prosecution of hijackers. He signed his directive bypassing Congress. March 22, 1972. Nixon signed into law the International Air Rates Act, which amended the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 to authorize the CAB to end unreasonable or discriminatory rates or practices by air carriers in foreign air transportation. April 7, 1972. McCoy hijacks a plane and jumps over Utah. Maybe $500,000 will get their attention? June 19, 1972. 24 hour world-wide pilot's strike against hijackers. September 15, 1972. 17 nation hijacking conference signing was REFUSED!! October 29, 1972. A rash of hijacking started to Cuba. November 1, 1972. Montreal Convention finally ratified by Congress. December 5, 1972. The landmark FAA anti-hijacking emergency rule that went from simple profiling to 100% inspection of passengers was instituted by Nixon. This was Nixon's magic edict. January 5, 1973. responding to hijacking threats, the FAA initiates universal pre-boarding electronic screening of passengers and inspection of their carry-on luggage. February 15, 1973. U.S. and Cuba signed hijacking agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 150 #21815 February 19, 2011 So to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21816 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training? The training WAS jumping, most every weekend. He also got constant instructions on what was to happen, when to do what, etc. And it was 3 months... May 15th to August 15, approximately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21817 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh? Yah. Then he found out that "Tommy Gunn" was a porno star!!! So he changed it again to Poelchek or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21818 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....? He can speak for himself, or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21819 February 19, 2011 Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21820 February 19, 2011 Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "program" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do? Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. [Rhett walks off into the fog] ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21821 February 19, 2011 Duane's friend in Altanta needs for you to make him a copy of this tape. It will be delivered by a NEUTRAL third party. This is to be done privately - and NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. Do not contact him by phone ...his blood pressure is BOILING right now along with mine. I am also going to make a request of my own - send me copies of this map and letter you claim to have and a copy of the conversations you claim to have with me. I am thinking you are taking things I said out of context and things I argued with you about....just as you have in this thread. Be sure you do NOT edit yourself out! My heart can take NO MORE of YOU. I thought I was going to the ER last night and I am still having problems today. UNTIL you produce your evidence to the friend and myself - you will out of courtesy NOT discuss this matter. If after viewing and listening to this evidence we find we are in error - then there will be mediated communications, to explain what you might think you have....there is some kind of mis-communication involved either on your part or ours.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21822 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #21823 February 19, 2011 The clichés about the CIA, guns and what’s the other thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-b5PLhrEI Oh yeah…. peters. What’s up with that? Anyway, the Tommy gun was certainly synonymous with gangsters, G-Men and the violent public face America has presented to the world with great effect. I suppose it is better for the average citizen to be known for ample gun ownership versus women not shaving their armpits or the total lack of ice cubes which many European nations are known for. Except for San Marino, this may change once they get a woman to enter the country. Tommy Gunn, adult film star was not born till 1967 and did not begin his ‘career’ till 2004. Was there another porn star named Tommy Gunn? The British rock group ‘The Clash’ had a song called Tommy Gun in the late 70’s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZkS2rRd3G8 But I think they are better known for the most misheard song in the history of music called ‘Rock the Casbah’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWE3px40_g You can imagine my surprise to discover that Richard Lugar, Dick Armey and Dick Butkus were real names instead of clichés. Strange world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21824 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had? Had? http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html Have you got any orders for NOAA? Have you got any orders for the Sun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #21825 February 19, 2011 Jo says: Quoteand NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. A two party conversation can be taped legally, only if ONE of the participants consents to the taping. This means; if I am speaking with you on the phone and tape the conversation it would be legal. On the other hand, if you are engaged in conversation with another party, and your neighbor has installed a recording device to listen to your conversations, that would be illegal.Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 Next Page 873 of 2541 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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georger 197 #21808 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePurpose of mission: To force Congress into enacting more stringent laws regarding airline passenger safety and the prevention of future hijackings. Quote as usual, you need to do some basic research. Research? If you mean running up Bob's posts where he says this stuff, I can do that both here and on Facebook. Maybe this conspiracy thing regarding the Cooper case is like the Bird Flu. You just sort of catch it if you hang around with someone who has it long enough. Personally, I don't buy into Bob's theory. forget Bobby. Im referring to the history of legislation and treaties (1950-1980) which will put both your and Bob's claims ... in perspective. Its a bit hard to claim a project was required to force legislation when in fact legislation had already ocurred ... ??? Come on, Georger. I posted this link up like four pages back in response to Knoss and his silly claims: http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Government_Role/security/POL18.htm so why argue with Bob? He obviously has another agenda which has nothing to do with facts. Do you think you will change him? You already posted a link to legislation. That is all you can do. unless you like arguing ...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #21809 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou funny guy! Obviously you not too well informed. Go back and study facts before assuming faulty conclusion. We been through all that dribble. Man who open mouth in bi-plane bound to eat crow. Man who jump mouth first bound to have crack-up. Help me out. Is "irony" the correct term for what's going on here? Mark If you're not delusional, yes.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21810 February 19, 2011 Quote[PROJECT NORJAK] ORIGINAL PLAN: A Pilot's Union organizer with goals of airline safety and a lot of personal ideas meets a pilot friend with similar goals. They are both heavily into parachuting, one having made high altitude jumps and achieved instructor status as a rigger. They find they have very much in common and become lifetime friends. They come up with an idea to run a demonstration of how poor safety is for pilots and their passengers, incorporate a parachuting dream jump off the rear stairs of a 727, and draw attention to the need for the organizers designs for an aerodynamic lock for the rear stairs. They will ask for a ransom of $200,000 and return the money after the exercise. PLAN GROWS: In order to not be criminal, the ideas are discussed with Minnesota FAA officials related to a fellow NW airline pilot. The idea is applauded. So, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. So, they go up the ladder with the request to execute an exercise. PLAN APPROVED: The plan is given a formal name in 1968, "Project Norjak." The FBI guy is put in charge of the Project. McCoy goes to Seattle to brief that office. Weber is chosen by McCoy as the jumper as he is afraid to do it himself. He has used Weber before successfully. A trainer is chosen from McCoy's past, and I am brought in as a witness in case thing go foul. Duane and I are subjected to MK Ultra (BlueBird). PLAN MODIFIED: The scheduled trainer gets a major job opportunity with Bell Telephone and scores highest in the qualification tests. He accepts a position in Omaha in the main office. The organizer decides to take a risk and do the training job himself. TRAINING BEGINS: From May through August Duane Weber is trained for the demonstration. Each detail is meticulously gone over, planned by the organizer, who is dyslexic. He uses his affliction to confuse the entire plan. It is easier for him to understand. In the meantime the plan has gone up the ladder while negotiations continue between the FAA and the airlines on how to improve safety. Regulations are written and presented to a balking congress. Duane's wife absconds with the rent funds from the apartment complex they are caretaking. Two weeks later they are returned and everything is hushed up. NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE: No progress. Finally it is decided to use the safety demonstration as a coercion to allow the President to force ratification of the Montreal Convention and cram the new FAA regulations down the throat of the airlines by forcing legislation on Congress. THE ORDER IS GIVEN: Holiday flights were always easy to get for a pilot with seniority as nobody really wanted them. An extra flight was added to insure minimum passengers, Duane was notified and the game was on. McCoy IS NOTIFIED: When the anouncement was made the hijacking was in progress, McCoy was called at home. He was having Thanksgiving dinner with his family. He finished his meal and flew directly to Washington while the plane waited for him to arrive. He boarded a helicopter with an FBI Agent and attempted to follow the 727, but did not have the speed. Interceptors sent out were too fast to be of value. FLIGHT PATH: The flight path had been carefully flown before noting fixed point references and vectors for radio signals in the light of day to insure accurate drop zone location at night. It was known that the flight path would be recorded accurately but the location would be based on other references. They could be 15 miles off course and not be recognized. This was done to disguise the actual drop area. Unfortunately "Janet" saw the plane and reported it to the office. JANET: The report of "Janet" came into the office and McCoy was notified as the Project ground supervisor. McCoy made a call on Janet as soon as possible and threatened her to be quiet. She could expose the real location of the flight path. DUANE JUMPED: Duane jumped from the plane with a pre-determined verbal signal over his chosen spot. He wore combat boots, two pair of thermal underwear, a raincoat and tied the money to his body with parachute chord. He used the chute with the "X" on the outside and secured it to the back of his rig. He landed in the woods and walked 15 miles to his destination by following a clear-cut. He banged his right leg on the stairs as it rebounded during the jump. It was cold, but he warmed rapidly from his hike. DUANE HEADS OUT: Duane stopped by the home of the Bell Telephone friend in Omaha for a meal, then off to New Orleans to a pre-determined job washing dishes. McCoy JUMPS: Six months later, McCoy made a follow-up jump without any FAA or FBI assistance. Two aggressive FBI agents wanting to make a name for themselves would not play the game, and a prison sentence was handed down. It was turned into another under-cover operation to gain the return of a large amount of cash stolen in a bank robbery by a thief named Walker. McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. His record there is impressive. Duane was given a job as an insurance agent for the company that reimbursed the money Duane was never able to recover. TINA GETS ABUSE: Tina supposedly gets teased about saving everyone's life by distracting Duane with sex. She is given a bottle of French "whore" perfume. She gets repeatedly worse and is finally treated with BlueBird tactics. THE SPINNERS SPIN: Misinformation was generated from the very onset of the Project and has grown to an unmanageable proportion today. From the erroneous "DB" on Cooper's name that was let ride, to the far-fetched "KC" fable manufactured of late. Hundreds of 'wannabe' Coopers have shown up and plagued the FBI offices, draining resources and manpower. It is a really high price to pay. Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. I cannot tell how the truth may be; I say the tale as it was said to me. ~Sir Walter Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #21811 February 19, 2011 Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #21812 February 19, 2011 Orange one . Excellent call Brilliant. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #21813 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....?Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21814 February 19, 2011 History as it really happened. February, 1969. FAA created an eight man Task Force on the Deterrence of Air Piracy. (Included our FAA executive from Norjak) August 29, 1969. First hijacking of a US aircraft outside our hemisphere. March 17, 1970. First pilot death in a domestic hijacking. April 9, 1970. 727-200's permitted to operate. (Jumbo) July 17, 1970. First airport introduces passenger profiling. September 11, 1970. Nixon introduces anti-hijacking program. September 25, 1970. DOJ announces spit jurisdiction with FBI/FAA. October 28, 1970. Air Marshals FAA program instituted. May 14, 1971. Courts uphold anti-hijacking profiling and searches. June 12, 1971. First passenger death in a domestic hijacking. September 23, 1971. Montreal Convention signed, but not ratified until November 1, 1972. THIS WAS THE PROBLEM! November 24, 1971. First extortion hijacking. Dan Cooper, et al. Take some of their money to get their attention. November 27, 1971. Nixon signed into law legislation amending the Airport and Airway Development Act of 1970 to clarify further the intent of Congress as to its priorities for airway revitalization and airport development. March 7, 1972. New security measures instituted. Nixon issues orders for immediate compliance of safety procedures. March 9, 1972. Nixon orders new airport safety regulations be instituted immediately. March 15, 1972. Nixon issues orders for increased security forces. More sky marshal deployment, he increases funding for metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs, and expedited prosecution of hijackers. He signed his directive bypassing Congress. March 22, 1972. Nixon signed into law the International Air Rates Act, which amended the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 to authorize the CAB to end unreasonable or discriminatory rates or practices by air carriers in foreign air transportation. April 7, 1972. McCoy hijacks a plane and jumps over Utah. Maybe $500,000 will get their attention? June 19, 1972. 24 hour world-wide pilot's strike against hijackers. September 15, 1972. 17 nation hijacking conference signing was REFUSED!! October 29, 1972. A rash of hijacking started to Cuba. November 1, 1972. Montreal Convention finally ratified by Congress. December 5, 1972. The landmark FAA anti-hijacking emergency rule that went from simple profiling to 100% inspection of passengers was instituted by Nixon. This was Nixon's magic edict. January 5, 1973. responding to hijacking threats, the FAA initiates universal pre-boarding electronic screening of passengers and inspection of their carry-on luggage. February 15, 1973. U.S. and Cuba signed hijacking agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 150 #21815 February 19, 2011 So to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21816 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training? The training WAS jumping, most every weekend. He also got constant instructions on what was to happen, when to do what, etc. And it was 3 months... May 15th to August 15, approximately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21817 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh? Yah. Then he found out that "Tommy Gunn" was a porno star!!! So he changed it again to Poelchek or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21818 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....? He can speak for himself, or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21819 February 19, 2011 Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21820 February 19, 2011 Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "program" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do? Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. [Rhett walks off into the fog] ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21821 February 19, 2011 Duane's friend in Altanta needs for you to make him a copy of this tape. It will be delivered by a NEUTRAL third party. This is to be done privately - and NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. Do not contact him by phone ...his blood pressure is BOILING right now along with mine. I am also going to make a request of my own - send me copies of this map and letter you claim to have and a copy of the conversations you claim to have with me. I am thinking you are taking things I said out of context and things I argued with you about....just as you have in this thread. Be sure you do NOT edit yourself out! My heart can take NO MORE of YOU. I thought I was going to the ER last night and I am still having problems today. UNTIL you produce your evidence to the friend and myself - you will out of courtesy NOT discuss this matter. If after viewing and listening to this evidence we find we are in error - then there will be mediated communications, to explain what you might think you have....there is some kind of mis-communication involved either on your part or ours.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21822 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #21823 February 19, 2011 The clichés about the CIA, guns and what’s the other thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-b5PLhrEI Oh yeah…. peters. What’s up with that? Anyway, the Tommy gun was certainly synonymous with gangsters, G-Men and the violent public face America has presented to the world with great effect. I suppose it is better for the average citizen to be known for ample gun ownership versus women not shaving their armpits or the total lack of ice cubes which many European nations are known for. Except for San Marino, this may change once they get a woman to enter the country. Tommy Gunn, adult film star was not born till 1967 and did not begin his ‘career’ till 2004. Was there another porn star named Tommy Gunn? The British rock group ‘The Clash’ had a song called Tommy Gun in the late 70’s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZkS2rRd3G8 But I think they are better known for the most misheard song in the history of music called ‘Rock the Casbah’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWE3px40_g You can imagine my surprise to discover that Richard Lugar, Dick Armey and Dick Butkus were real names instead of clichés. Strange world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21824 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had? Had? http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html Have you got any orders for NOAA? Have you got any orders for the Sun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #21825 February 19, 2011 Jo says: Quoteand NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. A two party conversation can be taped legally, only if ONE of the participants consents to the taping. This means; if I am speaking with you on the phone and tape the conversation it would be legal. On the other hand, if you are engaged in conversation with another party, and your neighbor has installed a recording device to listen to your conversations, that would be illegal.Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 Next Page 873 of 2541 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Orange1 0 #21809 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou funny guy! Obviously you not too well informed. Go back and study facts before assuming faulty conclusion. We been through all that dribble. Man who open mouth in bi-plane bound to eat crow. Man who jump mouth first bound to have crack-up. Help me out. Is "irony" the correct term for what's going on here? Mark If you're not delusional, yes.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #21810 February 19, 2011 Quote[PROJECT NORJAK] ORIGINAL PLAN: A Pilot's Union organizer with goals of airline safety and a lot of personal ideas meets a pilot friend with similar goals. They are both heavily into parachuting, one having made high altitude jumps and achieved instructor status as a rigger. They find they have very much in common and become lifetime friends. They come up with an idea to run a demonstration of how poor safety is for pilots and their passengers, incorporate a parachuting dream jump off the rear stairs of a 727, and draw attention to the need for the organizers designs for an aerodynamic lock for the rear stairs. They will ask for a ransom of $200,000 and return the money after the exercise. PLAN GROWS: In order to not be criminal, the ideas are discussed with Minnesota FAA officials related to a fellow NW airline pilot. The idea is applauded. So, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. So, they go up the ladder with the request to execute an exercise. PLAN APPROVED: The plan is given a formal name in 1968, "Project Norjak." The FBI guy is put in charge of the Project. McCoy goes to Seattle to brief that office. Weber is chosen by McCoy as the jumper as he is afraid to do it himself. He has used Weber before successfully. A trainer is chosen from McCoy's past, and I am brought in as a witness in case thing go foul. Duane and I are subjected to MK Ultra (BlueBird). PLAN MODIFIED: The scheduled trainer gets a major job opportunity with Bell Telephone and scores highest in the qualification tests. He accepts a position in Omaha in the main office. The organizer decides to take a risk and do the training job himself. TRAINING BEGINS: From May through August Duane Weber is trained for the demonstration. Each detail is meticulously gone over, planned by the organizer, who is dyslexic. He uses his affliction to confuse the entire plan. It is easier for him to understand. In the meantime the plan has gone up the ladder while negotiations continue between the FAA and the airlines on how to improve safety. Regulations are written and presented to a balking congress. Duane's wife absconds with the rent funds from the apartment complex they are caretaking. Two weeks later they are returned and everything is hushed up. NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE: No progress. Finally it is decided to use the safety demonstration as a coercion to allow the President to force ratification of the Montreal Convention and cram the new FAA regulations down the throat of the airlines by forcing legislation on Congress. THE ORDER IS GIVEN: Holiday flights were always easy to get for a pilot with seniority as nobody really wanted them. An extra flight was added to insure minimum passengers, Duane was notified and the game was on. McCoy IS NOTIFIED: When the anouncement was made the hijacking was in progress, McCoy was called at home. He was having Thanksgiving dinner with his family. He finished his meal and flew directly to Washington while the plane waited for him to arrive. He boarded a helicopter with an FBI Agent and attempted to follow the 727, but did not have the speed. Interceptors sent out were too fast to be of value. FLIGHT PATH: The flight path had been carefully flown before noting fixed point references and vectors for radio signals in the light of day to insure accurate drop zone location at night. It was known that the flight path would be recorded accurately but the location would be based on other references. They could be 15 miles off course and not be recognized. This was done to disguise the actual drop area. Unfortunately "Janet" saw the plane and reported it to the office. JANET: The report of "Janet" came into the office and McCoy was notified as the Project ground supervisor. McCoy made a call on Janet as soon as possible and threatened her to be quiet. She could expose the real location of the flight path. DUANE JUMPED: Duane jumped from the plane with a pre-determined verbal signal over his chosen spot. He wore combat boots, two pair of thermal underwear, a raincoat and tied the money to his body with parachute chord. He used the chute with the "X" on the outside and secured it to the back of his rig. He landed in the woods and walked 15 miles to his destination by following a clear-cut. He banged his right leg on the stairs as it rebounded during the jump. It was cold, but he warmed rapidly from his hike. DUANE HEADS OUT: Duane stopped by the home of the Bell Telephone friend in Omaha for a meal, then off to New Orleans to a pre-determined job washing dishes. McCoy JUMPS: Six months later, McCoy made a follow-up jump without any FAA or FBI assistance. Two aggressive FBI agents wanting to make a name for themselves would not play the game, and a prison sentence was handed down. It was turned into another under-cover operation to gain the return of a large amount of cash stolen in a bank robbery by a thief named Walker. McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. His record there is impressive. Duane was given a job as an insurance agent for the company that reimbursed the money Duane was never able to recover. TINA GETS ABUSE: Tina supposedly gets teased about saving everyone's life by distracting Duane with sex. She is given a bottle of French "whore" perfume. She gets repeatedly worse and is finally treated with BlueBird tactics. THE SPINNERS SPIN: Misinformation was generated from the very onset of the Project and has grown to an unmanageable proportion today. From the erroneous "DB" on Cooper's name that was let ride, to the far-fetched "KC" fable manufactured of late. Hundreds of 'wannabe' Coopers have shown up and plagued the FBI offices, draining resources and manpower. It is a really high price to pay. Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. I cannot tell how the truth may be; I say the tale as it was said to me. ~Sir Walter Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #21811 February 19, 2011 Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryThomas 0 #21812 February 19, 2011 Orange one . Excellent call Brilliant. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #21813 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....?Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21814 February 19, 2011 History as it really happened. February, 1969. FAA created an eight man Task Force on the Deterrence of Air Piracy. (Included our FAA executive from Norjak) August 29, 1969. First hijacking of a US aircraft outside our hemisphere. March 17, 1970. First pilot death in a domestic hijacking. April 9, 1970. 727-200's permitted to operate. (Jumbo) July 17, 1970. First airport introduces passenger profiling. September 11, 1970. Nixon introduces anti-hijacking program. September 25, 1970. DOJ announces spit jurisdiction with FBI/FAA. October 28, 1970. Air Marshals FAA program instituted. May 14, 1971. Courts uphold anti-hijacking profiling and searches. June 12, 1971. First passenger death in a domestic hijacking. September 23, 1971. Montreal Convention signed, but not ratified until November 1, 1972. THIS WAS THE PROBLEM! November 24, 1971. First extortion hijacking. Dan Cooper, et al. Take some of their money to get their attention. November 27, 1971. Nixon signed into law legislation amending the Airport and Airway Development Act of 1970 to clarify further the intent of Congress as to its priorities for airway revitalization and airport development. March 7, 1972. New security measures instituted. Nixon issues orders for immediate compliance of safety procedures. March 9, 1972. Nixon orders new airport safety regulations be instituted immediately. March 15, 1972. Nixon issues orders for increased security forces. More sky marshal deployment, he increases funding for metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs, and expedited prosecution of hijackers. He signed his directive bypassing Congress. March 22, 1972. Nixon signed into law the International Air Rates Act, which amended the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 to authorize the CAB to end unreasonable or discriminatory rates or practices by air carriers in foreign air transportation. April 7, 1972. McCoy hijacks a plane and jumps over Utah. Maybe $500,000 will get their attention? June 19, 1972. 24 hour world-wide pilot's strike against hijackers. September 15, 1972. 17 nation hijacking conference signing was REFUSED!! October 29, 1972. A rash of hijacking started to Cuba. November 1, 1972. Montreal Convention finally ratified by Congress. December 5, 1972. The landmark FAA anti-hijacking emergency rule that went from simple profiling to 100% inspection of passengers was instituted by Nixon. This was Nixon's magic edict. January 5, 1973. responding to hijacking threats, the FAA initiates universal pre-boarding electronic screening of passengers and inspection of their carry-on luggage. February 15, 1973. U.S. and Cuba signed hijacking agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 150 #21815 February 19, 2011 So to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21816 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training? The training WAS jumping, most every weekend. He also got constant instructions on what was to happen, when to do what, etc. And it was 3 months... May 15th to August 15, approximately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21817 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh? Yah. Then he found out that "Tommy Gunn" was a porno star!!! So he changed it again to Poelchek or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #21818 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....? He can speak for himself, or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21819 February 19, 2011 Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21820 February 19, 2011 Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "program" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do? Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. [Rhett walks off into the fog] ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21821 February 19, 2011 Duane's friend in Altanta needs for you to make him a copy of this tape. It will be delivered by a NEUTRAL third party. This is to be done privately - and NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. Do not contact him by phone ...his blood pressure is BOILING right now along with mine. I am also going to make a request of my own - send me copies of this map and letter you claim to have and a copy of the conversations you claim to have with me. I am thinking you are taking things I said out of context and things I argued with you about....just as you have in this thread. Be sure you do NOT edit yourself out! My heart can take NO MORE of YOU. I thought I was going to the ER last night and I am still having problems today. UNTIL you produce your evidence to the friend and myself - you will out of courtesy NOT discuss this matter. If after viewing and listening to this evidence we find we are in error - then there will be mediated communications, to explain what you might think you have....there is some kind of mis-communication involved either on your part or ours.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #21822 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #21823 February 19, 2011 The clichés about the CIA, guns and what’s the other thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-b5PLhrEI Oh yeah…. peters. What’s up with that? Anyway, the Tommy gun was certainly synonymous with gangsters, G-Men and the violent public face America has presented to the world with great effect. I suppose it is better for the average citizen to be known for ample gun ownership versus women not shaving their armpits or the total lack of ice cubes which many European nations are known for. Except for San Marino, this may change once they get a woman to enter the country. Tommy Gunn, adult film star was not born till 1967 and did not begin his ‘career’ till 2004. Was there another porn star named Tommy Gunn? The British rock group ‘The Clash’ had a song called Tommy Gun in the late 70’s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZkS2rRd3G8 But I think they are better known for the most misheard song in the history of music called ‘Rock the Casbah’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWE3px40_g You can imagine my surprise to discover that Richard Lugar, Dick Armey and Dick Butkus were real names instead of clichés. Strange world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 197 #21824 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had? Had? http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html Have you got any orders for NOAA? Have you got any orders for the Sun? 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Orange1 0 #21811 February 19, 2011 Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #21812 February 19, 2011 Orange one . Excellent call Brilliant. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #21813 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....?Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #21814 February 19, 2011 History as it really happened. February, 1969. FAA created an eight man Task Force on the Deterrence of Air Piracy. (Included our FAA executive from Norjak) August 29, 1969. First hijacking of a US aircraft outside our hemisphere. March 17, 1970. First pilot death in a domestic hijacking. April 9, 1970. 727-200's permitted to operate. (Jumbo) July 17, 1970. First airport introduces passenger profiling. September 11, 1970. Nixon introduces anti-hijacking program. September 25, 1970. DOJ announces spit jurisdiction with FBI/FAA. October 28, 1970. Air Marshals FAA program instituted. May 14, 1971. Courts uphold anti-hijacking profiling and searches. June 12, 1971. First passenger death in a domestic hijacking. September 23, 1971. Montreal Convention signed, but not ratified until November 1, 1972. THIS WAS THE PROBLEM! November 24, 1971. First extortion hijacking. Dan Cooper, et al. Take some of their money to get their attention. November 27, 1971. Nixon signed into law legislation amending the Airport and Airway Development Act of 1970 to clarify further the intent of Congress as to its priorities for airway revitalization and airport development. March 7, 1972. New security measures instituted. Nixon issues orders for immediate compliance of safety procedures. March 9, 1972. Nixon orders new airport safety regulations be instituted immediately. March 15, 1972. Nixon issues orders for increased security forces. More sky marshal deployment, he increases funding for metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs, and expedited prosecution of hijackers. He signed his directive bypassing Congress. March 22, 1972. Nixon signed into law the International Air Rates Act, which amended the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 to authorize the CAB to end unreasonable or discriminatory rates or practices by air carriers in foreign air transportation. April 7, 1972. McCoy hijacks a plane and jumps over Utah. Maybe $500,000 will get their attention? June 19, 1972. 24 hour world-wide pilot's strike against hijackers. September 15, 1972. 17 nation hijacking conference signing was REFUSED!! October 29, 1972. A rash of hijacking started to Cuba. November 1, 1972. Montreal Convention finally ratified by Congress. December 5, 1972. The landmark FAA anti-hijacking emergency rule that went from simple profiling to 100% inspection of passengers was instituted by Nixon. This was Nixon's magic edict. January 5, 1973. responding to hijacking threats, the FAA initiates universal pre-boarding electronic screening of passengers and inspection of their carry-on luggage. February 15, 1973. U.S. and Cuba signed hijacking agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 150 #21815 February 19, 2011 So to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #21816 February 19, 2011 QuoteSo to be clear this brilliantly planned scenario provides 6 months of training for Duane and yet he does not jump once during the training? The training WAS jumping, most every weekend. He also got constant instructions on what was to happen, when to do what, etc. And it was 3 months... May 15th to August 15, approximately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #21817 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh? Yah. Then he found out that "Tommy Gunn" was a porno star!!! So he changed it again to Poelchek or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #21818 February 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....? He can speak for himself, or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #21819 February 19, 2011 Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #21820 February 19, 2011 Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "program" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Scarlett: Rhett... if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do? Rhett Butler: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. [Rhett walks off into the fog] ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #21821 February 19, 2011 Duane's friend in Altanta needs for you to make him a copy of this tape. It will be delivered by a NEUTRAL third party. This is to be done privately - and NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. Do not contact him by phone ...his blood pressure is BOILING right now along with mine. I am also going to make a request of my own - send me copies of this map and letter you claim to have and a copy of the conversations you claim to have with me. I am thinking you are taking things I said out of context and things I argued with you about....just as you have in this thread. Be sure you do NOT edit yourself out! My heart can take NO MORE of YOU. I thought I was going to the ER last night and I am still having problems today. UNTIL you produce your evidence to the friend and myself - you will out of courtesy NOT discuss this matter. If after viewing and listening to this evidence we find we are in error - then there will be mediated communications, to explain what you might think you have....there is some kind of mis-communication involved either on your part or ours.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #21822 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #21823 February 19, 2011 The clichés about the CIA, guns and what’s the other thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK-b5PLhrEI Oh yeah…. peters. What’s up with that? Anyway, the Tommy gun was certainly synonymous with gangsters, G-Men and the violent public face America has presented to the world with great effect. I suppose it is better for the average citizen to be known for ample gun ownership versus women not shaving their armpits or the total lack of ice cubes which many European nations are known for. Except for San Marino, this may change once they get a woman to enter the country. Tommy Gunn, adult film star was not born till 1967 and did not begin his ‘career’ till 2004. Was there another porn star named Tommy Gunn? The British rock group ‘The Clash’ had a song called Tommy Gun in the late 70’s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZkS2rRd3G8 But I think they are better known for the most misheard song in the history of music called ‘Rock the Casbah’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWE3px40_g You can imagine my surprise to discover that Richard Lugar, Dick Armey and Dick Butkus were real names instead of clichés. Strange world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #21824 February 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Folks, I have not the time or the energy to do the time lines and the history of Duane's employment to show that NOTHING in this "story by Knoss" is accurate. This is ALL fiction by Knoss - he has even used a name I enquired about - which he explicitly told me he had never heard of. Then suddenly a few months later he applied this name to one of the many aliases he has provided McCoy. The real man by that name was NOT McCoy - and was a real person who I met and whose information was given to the FBI to include his phone number and address (he is now deceased). ORANGE: This was the name of a REAL man in Duane's past. He really existed - he owned property and he knew Duane as John. You picked out this ONE thing, but this man really did exist! Weird - Right! Georger - you have had some WEIRD replies to my posts lately! So what gives - a reaction to the Solar Flare we had? Had? http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html Have you got any orders for NOAA? Have you got any orders for the Sun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #21825 February 19, 2011 Jo says: Quoteand NOT publically as he does NOT remember giving you permission to record the conversation..nor the things you claim he said. A two party conversation can be taped legally, only if ONE of the participants consents to the taping. This means; if I am speaking with you on the phone and tape the conversation it would be legal. On the other hand, if you are engaged in conversation with another party, and your neighbor has installed a recording device to listen to your conversations, that would be illegal.Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
