gus 1 #1 February 5, 2003 If you were under canopy and saw what looked like a pretty bad off landing below you would you (a) take an off landing too (assuming it was safe) to help out the injured jumper (b) land back at the dz to get help ??? You could save someone's life by getting to them quickly but if you've landed a mile from the dz and no-one knows you need help you could have wasted alot of time by landing off. Thoughts, experiences? GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trilete312 0 #2 February 5, 2003 I think I would land off to see if I could assist knowing that someone from the DZ would be on the way to pick us up. If the person were unconcious and bleeding you could stop the flow of blood and save their life.----------- Ready, Set, Gooooooo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #3 February 5, 2003 I'd probably land off and see what I could to do help. Edited to add: I've actually been thinking about getting my CPR and First Aid training to be able to help out at the DZ until trained personnel get there - just in case.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 February 5, 2003 Chances are that someone will see you land off and send a vehicle. So I'd land off to help the injured party. Maybe you can stablize them and then go for help if nobody from the DZ arrives in time. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #5 February 5, 2003 I wouldn't hesitate to land off and help another jumper. It seems to be common practice at our dz Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBile 0 #6 February 5, 2003 I am a first aider, and knowing that DZ's have responsible ground staff that monitor people's decents, I would land off and offer that vital first aid, assuming that the DZ would have taken necessary steps to assist.Gerb I stir feelings in others they themselves don't understand. KA'CHOW ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #7 February 5, 2003 Quoteand knowing that DZ's have responsible ground staff that monitor people's decents That's what would worry me about following someone down: I've landed out several times, one time we (there was 5 or 6 of us) were a good 45 min walk back to the dz and it took ages for the truck to come. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 February 5, 2003 Standard protocol, if you see soemone having a mal, or landing way out there, you follow them , or their shit down. Lets face it, if you can see that they are in trouble and landing out, you will probably be way out yourself. Unless you are putting yourself in danger, which would not do your friend any favours considering medical aid will be strecthed as it is.....-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #9 February 5, 2003 QuoteIf you were under canopy and saw what looked like a pretty bad off landing below you would you (a) take an off landing too (assuming it was safe) to help out the injured jumper (b) land back at the dz to get help ??? This is an interesting question. I have zero medical training, so if I landed next to someone who was badly hurt, I really wouldn't be much use to them. I've also noticed that at the bigger DZs I frequent, right or wrong as it may be, it sometimes takes a while to notice that someone is missing, especially if they were on a solo or something. In my case, I think it would be a hundred times better for me to land at the dropzone, burst into manifest, and tell them what happened. My contributions in such situations tend to be driving the medically trained people out to the jumper in my truck.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #10 February 5, 2003 On jumps that I consider "interesting"; high possibility of landing off or high possibility of someone getting injured, I will frequently carry a cell phone. Heck, I think it's sort of become my routine to just carry it anyway. If I saw someone on these jumps land off and it looked like they were injured, I'd land near them and call 911 if required. If not required, I'd call the DZ.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albatross 0 #11 February 5, 2003 Quade does cary that cell phone with him on the jumps and does not "turn off all electronic devices before takeoff". It is very funny to see him answer his phone while rolling down the runway.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,463 #12 February 5, 2003 If I was jumping with Amy (which is often the case) I'd land back at the DZ to get our trauma kit and Amy would land near them, then I'd end up making the mile run with that damned heavy bag. If it was just me I'd land near them and do what I could. None of my training is current but I've taken PADI Medic, red cross first responder and CPR courses, which is a fancy way of saying at least I know what _not_ to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #13 February 5, 2003 Quote On jumps that I consider "interesting"; high possibility of landing off or high possibility of someone getting injured, I will frequently carry a cell phone. This is funny ... on a cross-country jump while at the Eloy x-mas boogie, the thought of carrying a cell phone came up. But I never did. I can just see it though ... I land off, call Skydive Arizona and they ask me where I am so that they can come get me ... and my response is ... somewhere in the desert? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #14 February 5, 2003 Land with the injured jumper and assist...only if it is to hold the jumpers hand and talk to him. I wouldn't want to be alone out there and hurting and I don't think anyone else would either. I have landed out several times to find the jumper is ok, just shook up. We talk and wait on a ride. Sometimes I can show them the way out of the field when it is not obvious since I've probably been there before. In addition, I've landed with a jumper who is looking for his main and freebag since I could see them and he couldn't from the ground. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #15 February 5, 2003 Well, I'm just a lowly student, but if someone below me was landing out, I'm probably not going to make it back so I'm landing out too. If they land hard, I'd certainly do what I could to help them - I'm an EMT, so I might be of some assistance until help arrives. This question does make me wonder if it's worth figuring out a way to get a small 'emergency' trauma kit attached to the rig somehow once I'm off student status (and can reliably land the canopy. ) And I like the idea of bringing a cell phone, even if it's just to call the DZ and say "We're OK, can you _please_ send a truck for us?" 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #16 February 5, 2003 It probably wouldn't be a terribly bad idea for the medically trained jumpers to carry just a small first aid kit. It obviously wouldn't do much for someone with serious trauma but for minor injuries it would be nice to be able to disinfect, and wrap them quickly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 37 #17 February 5, 2003 Quote This is an interesting question. I have zero medical training, so if I landed next to someone who was badly hurt, I really wouldn't be much use to them. I. You could at least be a person waving your arms and heading to the nearest road to wave someone down. Its not always easy to figure out exactly which field someone landed in. W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #18 February 5, 2003 Your got it a little wrong. The "first aid" kit I carry with me is the gloves and CPR shield I need to be able to help someone without putting myself at risk. I almost always have them with me. That way I don't have to decide whether I'm going to help without the protection and risk my health or let them die. Disinfection can wait, CPR or profuse bleeding can't. I have and will land out to help out. The mile walk is little inconvenience compared to opening someones airway. My presentation at PIA on DZ first aid (subtitled what not to do if someone gets hurt) went over pretty well. It's a power point presentation that I'll be glad to provide if I can get figure out how to get it small enough to email. I'll play around with zipping it tonight.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #19 February 5, 2003 Take your clothes off please...it's OK, I'm a Doctor! Really! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #20 February 5, 2003 Quote Standard protocol, if you see soemone having a mal, or landing way out there, you follow them , or their shit down. Lets face it, if you can see that they are in trouble and landing out, you will probably be way out yourself. Unless you are putting yourself in danger, which would not do your friend any favours considering medical aid will be strecthed as it is..... As you did for me following my main on my only chop! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
