rmsmith 1 #1 April 13, 2006 I see news stories about consumer motor fuel, but nothing about commercial transportation yet. I would imagine that our DZO(s) will have to raise their prices this summer as rising energy costs are forcing everything to cost more. Hell, even my worn out Toyota (refused by wrecking yards) Tercel with 300k+ miles cost $27.65 to fill up the other day! Anyway, think we'll see $25 to 12,500 this year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #2 April 13, 2006 Tercel with 300k+ miles cost $27.65 to fill up *** NO SHIT! I only had 10.00 on me the other day.....what, a little over THREE gallons! Almost didn't get HOME! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #3 April 13, 2006 QuoteAnyway, think we'll see $25 to 12,500 this year? Nope. Lodi is still $15 to 13K Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #4 April 13, 2006 Bill must be tapping into the bed cash again. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OATSF14 0 #5 April 13, 2006 QuoteHell, even my worn out Toyota (refused by wrecking yards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #6 April 14, 2006 http://www.globalair.com/fbo/aviationfuel.asp Remember guys a $1.00 increase in turbine fuel equals a $1.00 in jump prices if a DZO is going to breakeven on the price change. Roughly, an Otter burns 20-30 US gallons per load and there are 20-23 maximum jumpers in an Otter. If fuel prices go up less than a dollar, but jump prices increase by $1 me thinks the dzo is taking advantage of his jumpers. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #7 April 14, 2006 Our team rates went up about 2 dollars and a regular lift ticket went up 2 as well To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #8 April 14, 2006 QuoteRemember guys a $1.00 increase in turbine fuel equals a $1.00 in jump prices if a DZO is going to breakeven on the price change. Roughly, an Otter burns 20-30 US gallons per load and there are 20-23 maximum jumpers in an Otter. If fuel prices go up less than a dollar, but jump prices increase by $1 me thinks the dzo is taking advantage of his jumpers. Isn't 30 US gallons divided by 23 jumpers 1.304 gallons per jumper? And doesn't that mean that any per-gallon fuel price increase between $0.766 and $1.000 (exclusive) should be able to result in a break-even price increase of more than $1.00 per load? [, again] -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #9 April 14, 2006 I was using rule of thumb that people could remember. It only matters exactly when you are figuring profit and loss. Do you really care if the exact cost increase is 76.667 or 1.30 if the jump ticket price went up $2? Your cost just increased by $2. That was my point. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #10 April 14, 2006 QuoteAnyway, think we'll see $25 to 12,500 this year? ... yep, I know a DZ that's already charging that. Anyone know what Elsinore and Perris are charging for 12,500??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #11 April 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteAnyway, think we'll see $25 to 12,500 this year? ... yep, I know a DZ that's already charging that. Anyone know what Elsinore and Perris are charging for 12,500??? Perris is $22 or $23 for credit.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #12 April 14, 2006 I watch the fuel prices on a daily basis. Once again fuel is on the rise. We are at $20.50 ($20.00 cash discount) to 13,000. We will keep it there as long as we can. B Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #13 April 14, 2006 So, if fuel prices take a nose dive, will jump tickets do the same? Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praetorian 1 #14 April 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo, if fuel prices take a nose dive, will jump tickets do the same? Zipp0 Nope, first the DZO will need to recover the loss in PROFIT from when gas prices spiked, second best to bulid a bit for when they spike again... and they WILL spike again... third when have you EVER seen a price DROP in a nitch market? and of course 4th fuel prices will NEVER drop again not for dino based fuel in a world with an exploding population, especially when that population is focused in nations currently working on "modernization" like china and India Edited to actually include a reply Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anewempire 0 #15 April 14, 2006 it's ridiculous. prices are going up but we're still getting payed the same. businesses need to start compensating and minimum wage definitely needs to rise. i can't wait till we can run cars on water Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praetorian 1 #16 April 14, 2006 Quote i can't wait till we can run cars on water WAY WAY WAY OFF TOPIC HERE ... BUT cars will NEVER run on water, water is NOT an energy source, if you are talking about hydrogen you are fooling yourself Hydrogen is also NOT an energy source. Hydrogen can run an engine (again water cannot) however hydrogen has to be produced and collected, it cannot be grown in a field nor can it be dug out of the ground. Hydrogen cars are like electric the power has to come from somewhere. Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #17 April 14, 2006 Quoteand of course 4th fuel prices will NEVER drop again not for dino based fuel in a world with an exploding population, Oh, I've heard that before. Prices are not currently based on reality, as supply is actually good. Our gasoline reserves are up over last year in the USA. Current prices are not tied to supply and demand, but rather on the futures markets and speculation. Want proof? Look at the mild winter and then look at heating oil prices. NUTS. Prices will drop one reality enters the equation. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #18 April 14, 2006 prices WILL drop once we get smart and start driving more effiecient cars. Think about why ppl in europe pay $7 per gallon, the petro co's know that they drive those little lawn mowers that get 40 or 50 miles per gallon. We are still driving those huge suv V-8's. The equation is relative & simple.... if we do what the europeans do the petro co's will raise the price. $7/gal at 40 mpg = $3/gal at 20 mpg. We are victims on both sides of the coin. please kiss me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #19 April 14, 2006 I thought the EU gas prices were so high due to taxes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #20 April 15, 2006 QuoteDo you really care if the exact cost increase is 76.667 or 1.30 if the jump ticket price went up $2? Your cost just increased by $2. That was my point. Not meant as a flame but if the cost did go up $1.30 do you really think it unfair for the DZO to go up by $2.00. Also, you calculations are based on a full load, what if the average load only has 12 people. I know then the fuel cunsumption would also be less but not on a linear equation so therefore the DZO's cost per ticket would be greater than your calculation. I see and agree with your point, some people will use any excuse to up prices and take advantage of people. However, one must always look to the other side and not just assume that because he owns his own buisness, that he is getting stinking rich. Just my biased opinion from a buisness owner of 19 yrs. Mike Igo at Gold Coast is currently charging $20 bucks for 14k, normally 15k on the last load of the day. I have been looking for an increase as he did several months ago to $21, but he came right back down as soon as fuel prices did the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertifly 0 #21 April 15, 2006 QuoteRemember guys a $1.00 increase in turbine fuel equals a $1.00 in jump prices if a DZO is going to breakeven on the price change. Prices were $16 when I started jumping. No way it would make any sense that the price of jumps, now being $22, is being properly subsidized. But fuel more than effects the cost of a load...it directly effects cost of living too. I would hope this increase in the past years has a lot more to do with keeping the businesses going rather than taking advantage. But 5 bucks more per person is a shitload of difference. And tandems are roughly the same cost, ironically (if not cheaper). WTF? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #22 April 15, 2006 No flame. I have been in business since 1974 so I know how cost and pricing works. My home dz has not raised prices either and has seen a significant increase in business as a result. Each business owner has the right to do what he pleases, but he has no right to bitch about business being bad when his decision actually reduces his revenue. You guys are quibbling about pennies which is bullshit! Rule of thumb is +$1 increase in fuel prices equals a $1 increase in jump ticket price. Ever heard of the KISS principal. You guys want to compute breakeven points, rates of return, cost absorbtion, et al ad naseum go somewhere else. I stand by my rule of thumb. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #23 April 15, 2006 ...And for those of you who want more precise numbers (Assuming only fuel costs are variable and a 15% Gross Margin on ticket sales) see attached. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azureriders 0 #24 April 15, 2006 Nice chart, and amazingly close to some real life numbers I am familiar with. I was not saying you were wrong in the first place, just to be clear. I just get tired of everyone screaming that business owners are rich, corrupt, etc, when in fact lots of business owners are do no more than trying to keep their heads up in a dog eat dog world, but you know exactly what I mean if you have been in business since 74 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark135 0 #25 April 15, 2006 There is a mass e-mail going around that is trying to get people to stop buying gas from one of the large companies, lets say exxon-mobil. If no one bought gas from this company they would have to lower thier prices forcing the other companies to do the same. Havent thought much about it but on the surface it sounds plausible. Lets face it. the oil companies have posted the largest profits in history. exxon-mobile just knocked off walmart for #1_______________ "It seemed like a good idea at the time" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
