Ukraine

[JoeWeber 2,299]

2 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

I can just imagine the pride Putin felt when the FSB informed him that they had infiltrated speakers corner.

[jakee 1,255]

33 minutes ago, Slim King said:

I'd suggest you find one that suits you then. Biden and Zelenski have pushed 400,000 Ukrainian children into the Russian Meat Grinder ... WHY? They could have negotiated peace over a year ago!!!!!

Why would they negotiate peace when the Russians are occupying their land and abducting and murdering their people? Why would they negotiate peace with an enemy which has shown time and time again that peace deals are just a prelude to the next attack? Why would anyone, except people like you who are desperate to see Putin rewarded for his barbarity, think that a peace deal without comprehensive Russian defeat is a good idea?

 

And remember - we’ve all just seen you promote a channel which sells merchandise making fun of dead Ukrainians. So now is not the time to be pushing your fake moral superiority. 

Edited August 22, 2023 by jakee

[Phil1111 911]

10 minutes ago, jakee said:

Why would they negotiate peace when the Russians are occupying their land and abducting and murdering their people? Why would they negotiate peace with an enemy which has shown time and time again that peace deals are just a prelude to the next attack? Why would anyone, except people like you who are desperate to see Putin rewarded for his barbarity, think that a peace deal without comprehensive Russian defeat is a good idea?

So many questions. There may be a pause for answers because its 01:30 Moscow time.

[SkyDekker 1,123]

4 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Here is the TRUTH!!! You must be a realist. Zelenski is the most corrupt person on the planet. He's is sacrificing the Ukrainian kids so he can rule over a country of ash.  Listen to the general https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl8gJj37t2w

You mean colonel? Who posted a video 2 weeks ago saying the war was over....

[billvon 2,400]

45 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Here is the TRUTH!!! You must be a realist. Zelenski is the most corrupt person on the planet. He's is sacrificing the Ukrainian kids so he can rule over a country of ash.  

Odd to even have to say this but - no blood libels.

Your next ban will be your last.  Either start discussing things without the Russian playbook in front of you or find a new forum to work on.

[Phil1111 911]

The power that Russia has to disseminate disinformation and propaganda can't be underestimated. In US gun forums its efforts are non-stop. I'm sure in other right wing online media forums its extensive and pervasive as well.

The EU and the Ukraine support tracker shows 41 countries actively supporting Ukraine with hundreds of billions of dollars. Every country of which monitors where their cash and weapons are going and the state of corruption in Ukraine.  Ukraine currently ranks at #116 on the Transparency International Corruption Perceptions Index up ten places since 2019 the year Zelenskyy was elected.

Zelenskyy just finished a recent tour of Europe and the talk wasn't of corruption but of 61 F-16s and billions of more aid. From the GOP watchdogs in Washington, McConnell for one nothing about corruption.

Forty one countries helping Ukraine and no talk about corruption except from the fifth column of Russian supporters on the US right. Where the propaganda has landed and stuck firm. Civilians and taxpayers in all of those countries concerned that their hard earned money. The weapons that they bought for their national protection is going to Ukraine , for free.. All giving willingly to help Ukraine. But its only the US right that buys the propaganda of "Zelenskyy corruption".

No talk on the US right about the kidnapped Ukrainian children taken to Russia. Because that neatly fits the Putin narrative that they in fact were saved from Nazis. The narrative that Putin's US supporters have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Sick puppets of Putin propaganda is what they are. Disgusting apologists for an indicted war criminal is what they are. One, Putin, that couldn't even go to S. Africa to meet with Xi on the weekend. Because he is an indicted war criminal.

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Phil1111

[ryoder 1,384]

Русский-bots gonna be Русский-bots. And the only appropriate place for them in on the Ignore List.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

Back to Ukraine, the UA are fighting hard and using some of their best brigades to take the high ground Northeast of Tokmak. They are suffering large losses of western armor in what may be a go for broke attempt. The bad news is that Russia is now offering medals and cash for taking out western armor. The good news is that western armor is designed to protect the troops so as long as we can send more the attacks can continue. That said they are spending a lot of lives fighting uphill for the objective. Surely thats enough proof of their commitment that we can now send ATACMS or any other long range weapons needed.

[jakee 1,255]

7 hours ago, Slim King said:

Here is the TRUTH!!! You must be a realist. Zelenski is the most corrupt person on the planet. He's is sacrificing the Ukrainian kids so he can rule over a country of ash.  Listen to the experts...   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl8gJj37t2w

Putin started the war. Putin bombards the cities. Putin kills civilians en masse. Putin wants to rule over a country which has rejected Russian influence in successive elections. Putin targets millions of tons of food exports just so that Russia can be a little more important in central Africa.

How far down the rabbit hole do you have to be to call Zelensky more corrupt than Putin? How callous, uncaring and bloodthirsty do you have to be to support a channel that sells merchandise making fun of Ukrainian losses?

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

6 hours ago, jakee said:

Putin started the war. Putin bombards the cities. Putin kills civilians en masse. Putin wants to rule over a country which has rejected Russian influence in successive elections. Putin targets millions of tons of food exports just so that Russia can be a little more important in central Africa.

How far down the rabbit hole do you have to be to call Zelensky more corrupt than Putin? How callous, uncaring and bloodthirsty do you have to be to support a channel that sells merchandise making fun of Ukrainian losses?

Bolding mine.

Putin wants to ELIMINATE Ukraine.

He's said so.

Ukraine is smart enough to believe that's what he wants.

The memory of the Holodomor aren't all that far gone. There are still a few people alive from that time.

It's pretty clear to the Ukrainians that they have a fairly simple choice.

Risk dying while fighting off the invading Orcs.

Surrender to the Orcs and be killed.

In a 'sorta funny' comparison, Hitler made it pretty clear that he wanted to eliminate the Soviet Union. So, of course, the Soviets fought very tenaciously for their own survival. 

It cost many millions of lives. Nobody knows for sure how many, estimates usually start at 20 million. 

Of course, certain people refuse to see that the Russians are the equivalent of the Nazis in the current scenario. 
So they spout bullshit about 'Ukraine is FULL OF NAZIS!!!!!'.

Kinda funny that the Wagner Group is OVERTLY Nazi sympathetic. 

Certain people CLAIM that the Azov Battalion is 'full of Nazis, with tattoos to prove it', ignoring all of the pictures and other evidence that the Wagners are just that.
Tons and tons of pics of Wagners, with the Russian flag in the pic, showing off their Nazi tattoos.

[Phil1111 911]

1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

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So they spout bullshit about 'Ukraine is FULL OF NAZIS!!!!!'.

Kinda funny that the Wagner Group is OVERTLY Nazi sympathetic. 

Certain people CLAIM that the Azov Battalion is 'full of Nazis, with tattoos to prove it', ignoring all of the pictures and other evidence that the Wagners are just that.
Tons and tons of pics of Wagners, with the Russian flag in the pic, showing off their Nazi tattoos.

Making counter accusations is the first rule of propaganda. trump does it, republicans do it and so does the FSB. The running total of war crimes committed by Russia in Ukraine is now over 65,000

[normiss 622]

The windows from which Putin's opponents fall are getting much higher.

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin falls from the sky.

[wmw999 2,122]

Trump is aspirational power for Maga-types. Putin is aspirational power for Trump.

Wendy P.

[Phil1111 911]

4 minutes ago, normiss said:

The windows from which Putin's opponents fall are getting much higher.

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin falls from the sky.

trump and Putin both deal with unneeded associates the same way. Out the door. On the two month anniversary of the mutiny as well!  Don't cry for him, Slim.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

18 hours ago, billvon said:

Odd to even have to say this but - no blood libels.

Your next ban will be your last.  Either start discussing things without the Russian playbook in front of you or find a new forum to work on.

Hi Bill,

Please, pretty please.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,299]

53 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

trump and Putin both deal with unneeded associates the same way. Out the door. On the two month anniversary of the mutiny as well!  Don't cry for him, Slim.

Could not have happened to a nicer guy.

[jakee 1,255]

The video is interesting. I'm sure it's quite normal for the wings to fall off a bizjet in midair, nothing suspicious there at all.

From the beginning I think we've all been wondering 'how the hell did he think he was going to get away with it'? Now the question is why did Putin put himself through the humiliation of doing a deal and giving Prigozhin his stuff back in the first place? If it's because he felt like he needed time to get all of Wagner's heavy weapons back, disolve their frontline combat units and get them out of Ukraine and Russia first, before he could get away with doing this, then that's another sign of weakness

[SkyDekker 1,123]

13 minutes ago, jakee said:

The video is interesting. I'm sure it's quite normal for the wings to fall off a bizjet in midair, nothing suspicious there at all.

From the beginning I think we've all been wondering 'how the hell did he think he was going to get away with it'? Now the question is why did Putin put himself through the humiliation of doing a deal and giving Prigozhin his stuff back in the first place? If it's because he felt like he needed time to get all of Wagner's heavy weapons back, disolve their frontline combat units and get them out of Ukraine and Russia first, before he could get away with doing this, then that's another sign of weakness

Of course it could also be Prighozhin faking his own death.

[jakee 1,255]

20 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Of course it could also be Prighozhin faking his own death.

It did seem convenient that all the bodies would be black, crispy and visually unidentifiable. But the Russian authorities seem pretty sure he’s dead, he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who’d be very capable of staying undercover anyway, and on the 2 month anniversary of the mutiny, and the same day his best pal Surovikin* is officially sacked? Doesn’t feel much like a coincidence!

 

* And Christ knows what’s really happened to him.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

29 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Of course it could also be Prighozhin faking his own death.

It's never too soon for the next conspiracy theory.

[billvon 2,400]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

It's never too soon for the next conspiracy theory.

Fauci injected Prighozhin with 5G nanotrackers in order to kill him because Prighozhin fights for freedom, and Fauci hates freedom.  Then Antifa got hold of the Jewish space lasers and used the trackers to target and kill him.  Then Hillary Clinton got his blood to use for her adenochrome perversions.

It all fits together!

[JoeWeber 2,299]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Fauci injected Prighozhin with 5G nanotrackers in order to kill him because Prighozhin fights for freedom, and Fauci hates freedom.  Then Antifa got hold of the Jewish space lasers and used the trackers to target and kill him.  Then Hillary Clinton got his blood to use for her adenochrome perversions.

It all fits together!

Makes sense to me.

[jakee 1,255]

19 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Of course it could also be Prighozhin faking his own death.

 

[riggerrob 558]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

 

Those beards make the deceased look like Chechins.

[ryoder 1,384]

Ukraine just received a donation of a helicopter along with a trained pilot!

The Guardian: Russian military pilot reportedly defects to Ukraine with helicopter