riggerrob 558 #2301 April 20, 2023 17 hours ago, gowlerk said: Russia is having it's butt kicked again because it is a POS country that doesn't even deserve to exist as a federation outside of the Moscow area. It is populated by corrupt elites and drunken peasants. Hitler would have controlled it if it wasn't for the west bailing Stalin out because we wanted a third front. ... Back during World War 2, WALLIED leaders like Churchill and Roosevelt (sp?) decided that it was less expensive to supply weapons to the USSR - and have millions of Soviet soldiers die on the Eastern Front - than to have American and British Commonwealth soldiers die on the Western Front. Germany had about 200 divisions on their Eastern Front, but only 26 divisions on their Western (French Front. During onen mid-war conference, Churchill commented to Stalin about the high casualties among Russian soldiers and Stalin poo-pooed his comment with "It was much worse during the 1930s purges." Bottom line, Russia has always been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers to achieve political objectives. Sad. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #2302 April 20, 2023 On 4/18/2023 at 5:43 PM, Slim King said: Russia invaded, decided what they wanted to defend, and moved to those areas. Do you honestly think Ukraine is winning in Bakhmut? You'd have to be brainwashed to believe that. They lost Mariupol and now Bakhmut ... They are losing. Around 7 Ukrainians die for every Wagner professional killer. Both sides say the same thing but L@@K at the map. Ukraine is losing ground and soldiers every day. Ukrainian kids die every night as the Russian Air Force bombs them. There are no losses from this amongst the Russians. It's totally one sided and that's why they are losing. I feel so bad for these innocent boys .. Reminds me of Viet Nam and how they lied to us then..... That Leopard 2 was wrecked during a driving accident on a range well west of the fighting front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,915 #2303 April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, riggerrob said: Bottom line, Russia has always been willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers to achieve political objectives. Sad. This pretty much describes the thinking from the leadership of all sides during WW1. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #2304 April 20, 2023 (edited) Ok I have to break up the hate-fest here. i challenge anyone to call Alexei Navalny a coward. He is probably the bravest man alive today. What about the female Russian RTV presenter that showed the cardboard sign on live news. That the war was all a lie. A million Russians have left everything they know and have to escape Putin. Weekly someone is sentenced to long prison terms for challenging Putin's laws. Look at the couple posters here that have their heads so far up Putin's ass. That they can see Putin's tonsils vibrate. Yet they are supposed to be Americans. Like how the CCP controls the Chinese population. Russians have been controlled by FSB messaging. Hell FOX viewers at least have an open choice. Then consider what FOX has achieved. Edited April 20, 2023 by Phil1111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,915 #2305 April 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: Ok I have to break up the hate-fest here. i challenge anyone to call Alexei Navalny a coward. He is probably the bravest man alive today. What about the female Russian RTV presenter that showed the cardboard sign on live news. That the war was all a lie. I stand corrected. Most Russians are cowards, a few are brave and stupid. The ones who are neither have already left the country or are attempting to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #2306 April 20, 2023 Just now, gowlerk said: I stand corrected. Most Russians are ignorant, a few are brave and loyal to a Russia that may never exist. The ones who are neither have already left the country or are attempting to. How about this description? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,915 #2307 April 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: How about this description? The ignorant ones are also cowardly in that they hide their identities on social media forums. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,316 #2308 April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, billvon said: "It's not just a job - it's $627.50 a week!" Now that's funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,316 #2309 April 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, gowlerk said: I stand corrected. Most Russians are cowards, a few are brave and stupid. The ones who are neither have already left the country or are attempting to. I really think it's too much to broad brush an entire people as anything. I think that's especially true when calling any group cowards. For example, I am certain my old man would have thought most blacks were cowards until he watched the Red Tails form off his bomber and go through the flack instead of skedaddling like all of the white fighter pilots did. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,915 #2310 April 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: I really think it's too much to broad brush an entire people as anything. I think that's especially true when calling any group cowards. But....not only are they cowards they are also unmotivated lazy drunkards as well. When they do manage to run over an undefended town they immediately go to the local hospital and murder babies. Just like the Iraqis did in Kuwait. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,050 #2311 April 20, 2023 2 hours ago, billvon said: "It's not just a job - it's $627.50 a week!" Hi Bill, That is if you live long enough to get paid. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #2312 April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, JerryBaumchen said: That is if you live long enough to get paid. Recruiter: "Oh that $627 a week? That's only for our special "front line shield troops" who are the bravest of the brave. If you want to work as a, say, tank driver that's only $400 a week, and if you want to work as a radar operator that's $200 a week. "So I'd advise you to go for the special shield troops. We have a lot of openings there for some reason. Oh, and a weapon is extra, or we can just deduct $300 a week from your pay until you pay us back for it. Or you can bring your own!" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,915 #2313 April 20, 2023 There is no natural or even cultural clear border between Ukraine and the Russian criminal state. The pre-war boundary is not defensible. Russia will have to give up some of its pre war territory when it is ready for peace and the new reality of NATO being on its border. Maybe a DMZ will be needed to keep Ukrainians from revenge raids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #2314 April 20, 2023 2 hours ago, gowlerk said: There is no natural or even cultural clear border between Ukraine and the Russian criminal state. The pre-war boundary is not defensible. Russia will have to give up some of its pre war territory when it is ready for peace and the new reality of NATO being on its border. Maybe a DMZ will be needed to keep Ukrainians from revenge raids. Yep. Russia is in a VERY bad spot right now. Russia started this war to grab more territory and try to prevent NATO from expanding. Now not only are they going to LOSE territory, their war has inspired Finland (Russia's largest border country to the west) to join NATO, and Sweden will be close behind. There is no way this ends well for Russia. Putin has a few choices left, but they all go from bad to worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,129 #2315 April 20, 2023 Enough with posting the same memes, videos, and ads over and over Wendy P. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 422 #2316 April 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Slim King said: 500 more kids dead. Kids in the Ukrainian Army Headquarters in Donetsk? This is sounding like your US political prisoners, you can't name a single one. Not a single name. In other news, Russia's finest bombs its own city: 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #2317 April 21, 2023 To be fair to them, “unplanned descent of aviation munitions” is one of the finest euphemisms I’ve ever heard. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #2318 April 21, 2023 On 4/20/2023 at 11:52 AM, gowlerk said: But....not only are they cowards they are also unmotivated lazy drunkards as well. When they do manage to run over an undefended town they immediately go to the local hospital and murder babies. Just like the Iraqis did in Kuwait. Alcoholism has significantly reduced the life-expectancy of Russian men. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #2319 April 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, riggerrob said: Alcoholism has significantly reduced the life-expectancy of Russian men. Ever since 1920, Russia/USSR has suffered a series of waves of low birthrates. A Russian boy born in 1920 USSR only a 20 percent chance of surviving World War 2/Great Patriotic War. He would need to survive a series of deadly waves of extermination during the Russian Revolution, various civil wars, WW2, etc. One of the reasons that Mr. Poutine launched the current invasion of Ukraine is that he feared if he waited a few more years, he would not have enough cannon-fodder .... er military age men ... to complete the invasion. How well is that working out? Alcoholism has significantly reduced the life-expectancy of Russian men. We wonder how much "brewers' droop" has dragged down Russian birth rates?????????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #2320 April 22, 2023 It hardly matters what happens to Ukraine, Russia has lost. It is in a demographic death spiral from which it can not recover and the war in Ukraine has only expedited its demise. The mass exodus of young talent to avoid the draft and the hundred thousand plus casualties from Putin’s misadventure has destined Russia to become a minor East European state or a vassal of China. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #2321 April 22, 2023 4 hours ago, riggerrob said: Alcoholism has significantly reduced the life-expectancy of Russian men. We wonder how much "brewers' droop" has dragged down Russian birth rates? Doctor Parkinson declared "I'm not surprised to see you here You've got smoker's cough from smoking Brewer's droop from drinking beer! I don't know how you came to get those Betty Davis knees But, worst of all, young man, you've got Industrial Disease!" He wrote me a prescription - he said "You are depressed. I'm glad you came to see me to get this off your chest. Come back and see me later, next patient please Send in another victim of Industrial Disease!" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #2322 April 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Slim King said: Unfortunately Ukraine soldiers are not fighting the average drunken Russian. They are being "Grindered' by Wagner, possibly at this point in time the most vicious and experienced band of Nazis in Europe. Yes, the Wagner Group (a Neo-Nazi group) is indeed vicious. Sad that you support them. https://chvk-wagner.com/neo-nazi-wagner-mercenary/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,129 #2323 April 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Slim King said: Ukraine is sacrificing thousands upon thousands of their children to WAR. The US is sacrificing 3-5 times as many to gunfire. Why do you hate US children? Wendy P. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 384 #2324 April 22, 2023 1 hour ago, wmw999 said: The US is sacrificing 3-5 times as many to gunfire. Why do you hate US children? Wendy P. Even more Americans are killed by fentanyl pouring through our open southern border, why do you support a president who is complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #2325 April 22, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Slim King said: It's really sick what our leaders are doing to that country. I have NEVER supported Wagner. Please show me where I did. I hate war on every side. So you agree it would be a good thing if Russia retreated to their own borders? If they stopped deploying Wagner troops to fight in Bakhmut? If they left Ukraine to the Ukrainians? This should be a really easy question for you to answer and I’m mystified as to why you’re unable to do so. Edited April 22, 2023 by jakee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites