billvon 2,406 #1976 May 6, 2020 The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation has raised their estimate for total deaths to 134,475 deaths by August 4 from 81,766 deaths by Aug 4. This is due to “rising mobility in most U.S. states as well as the easing of social distancing measures expected in 31 states by May 11." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #1977 May 6, 2020 18 hours ago, normiss said: White House is ending the Corona virus Task Force Let's just ignore it, wait for the heat, the miracle, it will just go away. Typical trump goatF*#k never consulted with anyone. Hasn't held a "task force briefing" read personal promotion televised rally. Since his infamous "injecting bleach" conference. Shut it down because China is all he needs for re-election. "the decision to formally disband the task force is sure to raise concern among public health experts who have warned the coronavirus will likely be part of life in the U.S. until there is a widely available vaccine, which could take a year or longer to develop.... Anthony Fauci, the government's top infectious diseases expert and a task force member, told CBS News that he was unaware of any proposal to wind down." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #1978 May 8, 2020 And today a VP staffer: Vice President Mike Pence staffer tests positive for coronavirus https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/08/vice-president-mike-pence-staffer-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,129 #1979 May 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, ryoder said: And today a VP staffer: Vice President Mike Pence staffer tests positive for coronavirus https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/08/vice-president-mike-pence-staffer-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html Both Pence and Trump are in high risk categories too. If both are incapacitated due to illness or death, I believe Pelosi would be next in line. The country is already a powder-keg, don't think that would be a good outcome. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #1980 May 8, 2020 Apparently, the VP staffer is Katie Miller, wife of Stephen Miller. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/08/852861159/white-house-confirms-second-coronavirus-case-this-week Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,129 #1981 May 8, 2020 CDC regulations would mean both President and Vice President should go into 14 day isolation. Leadership would be setting the right example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #1982 May 8, 2020 36 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: CDC regulations would mean both President and Vice President should go into 14 day isolation. Leadership would be setting the right example. Stephen Miller is in the clear as there have been no recorded cases of infection in the undead. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #1983 May 8, 2020 3 hours ago, ryoder said: And today a VP staffer: Vice President Mike Pence staffer tests positive for coronavirus https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/08/vice-president-mike-pence-staffer-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html Mother will NOT be pleased. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #1984 May 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: CDC regulations would mean both President and Vice President should go into 14 day isolation. Leadership would be setting the right example. The rules don't apply to them - or anyone they associate with. Not surprisingly, many White House staffers are not wearing masks since Trump sees them as a sign of weakness. And of course most protesters are not wearing them either - because they are "strong." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #1985 May 9, 2020 (edited) Ivanka Trump’s personal assistant has tested positive for coronavirus, source tells CNN https://www.texomashomepage.com/news/national-news/ivanka-trumps-personal-assistant-has-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-source-tells-cnn/ But I have not seen this in MSM yet. ETA: There is a tweet from Kaitlan Collins of CNN. Edited May 9, 2020 by ryoder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #1986 May 9, 2020 How people in various nations view their leaders' responses to the virus: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/05/09/covid-19-has-given-most-world-leaders-a-temporary-rise-in-popularity?utm_campaign=coronavirus-special-edition&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2020-05-09&utm_content=article-link-6 It seems Americans don't think their leader has responded well. (And they are correct). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #1987 May 9, 2020 His own words! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1988 May 9, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, kallend said: How people in various nations view their leaders' responses to the virus: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/05/09/covid-19-has-given-most-world-leaders-a-temporary-rise-in-popularity?utm_campaign=coronavirus-special-edition&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2020-05-09&utm_content=article-link-6 It seems Americans don't think their leader has responded well. (And they are correct). I doubt it would've changed much regardless since the poll is likely comprised of people that either think Trump can do no wrong or that he can do no good. If we had some of the lowest numbers due to Trump shutting down the entire country back in Jan or Feb before we even knew if and how it would really affect us, the left would've been saying "it's just a power grab from some communist dictator wannabe trying to destroy our democracy and take credit for stopping a disease that never would've made it across the Atlantic in the first place - and even if it did, it would've just went to zero like all the other outbreaks. I mean the flu is even deadlier for pete's sake! This is just another xenophobic excuse to keep brown people out of the country!" Edited May 9, 2020 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 422 #1989 May 9, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Coreece said: If we had some of the lowest numbers due to Trump shutting down the entire country back in Jan or Feb before we even knew if and how it would really affect us, the left would've been saying "it's just a power grab from some communist dictator wannabe trying to destroy our democracy and take credit for stopping a disease that never would've made it across the Atlantic in the first place - and even if it did, it would've just went to zero like all the other outbreaks. I mean the flu is even deadlier for pete's sake! This is just another xenophobic excuse to keep brown people out of the country!" Wow, that's a lot of hypotheticals. Do you have imaginary debates in your head all the time? Edited May 9, 2020 by olofscience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1990 May 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, olofscience said: 21 minutes ago, Coreece said: If we had some of the lowest numbers due to Trump shutting down the entire country back in Jan or Feb before we even knew if and how it would really affect us, the left would've been saying "it's just a power grab from some communist dictator wannabe trying to destroy our democracy and take credit for stopping a disease that never would've made it across the Atlantic in the first place - and even if it did, it would've just went to zero like all the other outbreaks. I mean the flu is even deadlier for pete's sake! This is just another xenophobic excuse to keep brown people out of the country!" Wow, that's a lot of hypotheticals. My bad. By the left I mean Phil. . . .and normiss. Maybe a few others. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 422 #1991 May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Coreece said: My bad. By the left I mean Phil. . . .and normiss. Maybe a few others. . . Well, congratulations on winning all these imaginary debates with them in this hypothetical world where Trump was actually competent. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1992 May 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, olofscience said: Well, congratulations on winning all these imaginary debates with them in this hypothetical world where Trump was actually competent. Damn olof, lol. Good one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1993 May 9, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, olofscience said: Well, congratulations on winning all these imaginary debates with them in this hypothetical world where Trump was actually competent. But just to clarify. Would you have been ok with a more forceful communistic approach? Would you have been ok with denying citizens entry from abroad? Edited May 9, 2020 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 422 #1994 May 9, 2020 Just now, Coreece said: But just to clarify. Would you have been ok with a more forceful communistic approach? I was in Singapore when the SARS virus hit in 2003. I know how it was brought under control. Assuming what you mean by "communistic approach" is how New Zealand and other countries dealt with it, then not only am I ok with it, I was expecting it to be the approach. Imagine my surprise when giving up was chosen instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #1995 May 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Coreece said: My bad. By the left I mean Phil. . . .and normiss. Maybe a few others. . . 11 minutes ago, olofscience said: Well, congratulations on winning all these imaginary debates with them in this hypothetical world where Trump was actually competent. Well nobody has driven my political thinking further to the left than trump. Nobody has illustrated to me the dangers of unrestrained politicians than trump. Or illustrated the failings of education institutions than trump.I've learn that people can be foolish, narcissistic, self involved and ignorant. But to find masses ready and willing to worship at the feet of those same people. Well thats an eye opener. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 422 #1996 May 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Coreece said: Would you have been ok with denying citizens entry from abroad? Temporarily, yes. Ideally, any arrivals, whatever nationality, should have been with testing, screening and/or a 14-day quarantine. I'm very left-leaning but if Trump had done that, I would have understood. Instead, what he did was ban Chinese nationals coming in, but allowed American citizens coming from China, Italy and other affected countries without any testing, screening, or quarantine. That's why there was an outcry - the virus doesn't choose nationality. ANY arrivals from affected countries, no matter what skin colour you have, should have been tested, screened and quarantined. Hundreds of thousands of people arrived in US airports with no screening at all during that period. He did the same with the EU (Schengen) area but left it open to badly-hit UK. Which makes it really obvious that his travel bans weren't really driven by science or any reasoning at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 422 #1997 May 9, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Coreece said: Would you have been ok with denying citizens entry from abroad? Actually, New Zealand is doing that now. Lots of bans and those that aren't are strictly quarantined for 2 weeks. It's a perfect opportunity to test your argument on Phil1111: Phil, what do you think of the New Zealand travel rules? Are they being racist like Trump? Edited May 9, 2020 by olofscience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1998 May 9, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, olofscience said: 39 minutes ago, Coreece said: Would you have been ok with denying citizens entry from abroad? Actually, New Zealand is doing that now. I just think you'd get a ton of pushback in the U.S. Even after it was announced a pandemic people here were still arguing that the travel ban itself was excessive. Edited May 9, 2020 by Coreece Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 422 #1999 May 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Coreece said: I just think you'd get a ton of pushback in the U.S. Even after it was announced a pandemic people here were still arguing that the travel ban itself was excessive. Might be just me, but Trump doesn't stop doing something because of a little pushback. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 913 #2000 May 9, 2020 29 minutes ago, Coreece said: But just to clarify. Would you have been ok with a more forceful communistic approach? Would you have been ok with denying citizens entry from abroad? 14 minutes ago, olofscience said: Actually, New Zealand is doing that now. Lots of bans and those that aren't are strictly quarantined for 2 weeks. It's a perfect opportunity to test your argument on Phil1111: Phil, what do you think of the New Zealand travel rules? Are they being racist like Trump? You're wrong about Coreece winning arguments in his own mind. Its about stopping the communists from the left and Canada. From influencing the MAGA of America. trump is completely wrong about banning immigration under the guise of C-19 control. That has no other purpose than to pander to his base. IMO free travel to any foreigner is fine if they had a test(negative C-19) four days prior to travel and another one day prior to travel. All other immigration, visa and other travel restrictions met of course.The same testing on every air traveler would allow the salvation of the airline industry on domestic routes. In the absence to above testing of course all out bans are necessary. trump wanted to open up US-Canada border restrictions a month ago. Trudeau shot that down. Because currently only Quebec has C-19 as bad as border US states. Canada overall has progressed further than the US. But Quebec, Ontario and to a lessor extent Alberta still have issues. Cost of COVID-19 Treatment: $34,927.43 Medicare price for a COVID-19 PCR test is $51. It seems as if testing stations need to be set up at every GM, FORD, meat packing plant, etc. Then workers tested every week, or a frequency determined by medical expert opinion. A auto worker generally has a cost per hour to a major manufacturer to warrant daily testing if necessary. Same applies to a airline traveler, stew, or pilot. These aren't difficult issues to address. Fauci probably has the answers at the blink of an eye. Thats why trump banned him from testifying in House hearings. Clearly the truth won't MAGA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites