SkyDekker 1,319 #6676 February 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, brenthutch said: I didn’t see where the study specified what type of mask was used and how properly it was fitted. The majority of mask worn in the US are either the blue surgical masks or cloth masks and even many of the N95s are not properly worn. And I don't see where anything presented could ever change your pre-conceived notions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #6677 February 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, brenthutch said: I didn’t see where the study specified what type of mask was used and how properly it was fitted. Correct. Thus the study concluded that masks as used by typical Beijing households was protective against SARS-CoV-2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,571 #6678 February 15, 2022 (edited) Man Attempted to Open Emergency Door Mid-Flight in Convoluted Attempt to Protest Vaccines The captain should have just descended to 8000' MSL, then instructed the cabin crew to help the guy make the exit. Edited February 15, 2022 by ryoder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,114 #6679 February 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, ryoder said: Man Attempted to Open Emergency Door Mid-Flight in Convoluted Attempt to Protest Vaccines The captain should have just descended to 8000MSL, then instructed the cabin crew to help the guy make the exit. Michael Brandon Demarre of Portland? Let's go Brandon!!!!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #6680 February 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, ryoder said: Man Attempted to Open Emergency Door Mid-Flight in Convoluted Attempt to Protest Vaccines The captain should have just descended to 8000' MSL, then instructed the cabin crew to help the guy make the exit. Why 8K? He wasn't doing Crew. Seems to me it was going to be a Free Fly jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 422 #6681 February 15, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: And I don't see where anything presented could ever change your pre-conceived notions. According to the CDC the type and fitting of the mask are critical. Only a properly fitted N95 (or similar) helps prevent the spread of COVID. But I digress. What I am asking do/did mask mandates work. If they did we should see a statistically significant difference in COVID in masked vs non-masked communities. Edited February 15, 2022 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,571 #6682 February 15, 2022 Just now, JoeWeber said: Why 8K? He wasn't doing Crew. Seems to me it was going to be a Free Fly jump. Fine. Show us video of you opening an emergency exit while the plane is pressurized, and I'll agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #6683 February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, ryoder said: Fine. Show us video of you opening an emergency exit while the plane is pressurized, and I'll agree with you. You've got me there. But let me get back home and I'm certain I can supply you with hours of entertaining video of free flyers doing exactly what they were told not to do. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nwt 131 #6684 February 15, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Only a properly fitted N95 (or similar) helps prevent the spread of COVID Citation, please. Quote With the premature rollback of mask mandates (according to the CDC aka science), we should see a rebound in cases or at least a flattening of the downward trend in cases. If we don’t see real world, statistically significant, differences between masked and unmasked, my suspicion that masks were nothing more than a virtue signaling talisman will be confirmed. Good luck passing peer-review, and don't quit your day job. Edited February 15, 2022 by nwt 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,319 #6685 February 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, brenthutch said: According to the CDC the type and fitting of the mask are critical. Only a properly fitted N95 (or similar) helps prevent the spread of COVID. not true. 23 minutes ago, brenthutch said: What I am asking do/did mask mandates work. No you didn't. However, if they are followed they work. If they are not, because people like you think they know everything better, then they don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #6686 February 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, nwt said: Citation, please. Officer, I'm from DZ.com, so if you think I was speeding the burden of proof is on you. Citation, please! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #6687 February 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, brenthutch said: According to the CDC the type and fitting of the mask are critical. Only a properly fitted N95 (or similar) helps prevent the spread of COVID. That is another lie. The CDC did not say that, nor is it true. Quote What I am asking do/did mask mandates work. If they did we should see a statistically significant difference in COVID in masked vs non-masked communities. I gave you several examples for you to ignore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 227 #6688 February 16, 2022 3 hours ago, ryoder said: Man Attempted to Open Emergency Door Mid-Flight in Convoluted Attempt to Protest Vaccines The captain should have just descended to 8000' MSL, then instructed the cabin crew to help the guy make the exit. Five right. Cut! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 329 #6689 February 16, 2022 Interesting video yesterday from David Pakman, covering the Italian anti-vax speaker (doctor) who has now realized that he has deaths on his hands. He also covers his take on why some people prefer to believe that the vaccine is totally ineffective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 422 #6690 February 16, 2022 If masking works and saves lives, why would several Democrat Governors rescind mask mandates, when it will result in many unnecessary deaths? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 31 #6691 February 16, 2022 51 minutes ago, brenthutch said: If masking works and saves lives, why would several Democrat Governors rescind mask mandates, when it will result in many unnecessary deaths? To be fair; I believe that has been covered in previous posts. They now believe the mandates don't work, the masks work just fine. People will either wear the masks or not, depending on their preference and beliefs. Mandates that were not being effectively enforced were pointless, and these governors have presumably now accepted that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #6692 February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: If masking works and saves lives, why would several Democrat Governors rescind mask mandates, when it will result in many unnecessary deaths? Because: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #6693 February 16, 2022 5 hours ago, nwt said: Citation, please. Good luck passing peer-review, and don't quit your day job. Brent using the phrase ’statistically significant’ is basically a flashing light for a comedy post at this point. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 422 #6694 February 16, 2022 16 hours ago, billvon said: Because: Fifty thousand deaths a day from covid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #6695 February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Fifty thousand deaths a day from covid Where do you get that? The chart very clearly says cases, and all reports are that Omicron is less lethal/severe as well as more contagious 60+% of the American public is at least vaccinated, if not boosted, reducing the large-population lethality even further And please let’s not go into a detailed description of chart-reading capabilities. They stand on their own Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 422 #6696 February 16, 2022 (edited) I was watching MTP Daily w Chuck Todd today and he used that figure. Coming from MSNBC it may very well be wrong Edited February 16, 2022 by brenthutch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,319 #6697 February 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Fifty thousand deaths a day from covid Deaths are a trailing indicator for the COVID pandemic. Not really the right data point to use determining current restrictions etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nwt 131 #6698 February 16, 2022 18 hours ago, brenthutch said: If masking works and saves lives, why would several Democrat Governors rescind mask mandates, when it will result in many unnecessary deaths? Mask efficacy is not determined by the whims of politicians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 422 #6699 February 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, nwt said: Mask efficacy is not determined by the whims of politicians. Masking policy is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,114 #6700 February 16, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Deaths are a trailing indicator for the COVID pandemic. Not really the right data point to use determining current restrictions etc. There are not as many deaths with the current wave. And almost none among the vaccinated. It appears the despite the name of the virus being SARS-CoV-2 the omicron variant only fairly rarely causes SARS. There are far fewer patients needing to be intubated. The next wave could be very different though. Edited February 16, 2022 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites