airdvr 197 #126 January 8, 2020 Just a reminder,,,,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #127 January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, DJL said: They know what's good for them and Soleimani wasn't exactly popular with everyone in Iran. That guy had a lot of control and was gaining more, he was well on his way to increasing his control of a regional military that wasn't even part of the Iranian State. He was going to be the next Saddam Hussein. If I'm not mistaken, he was part of this as well, right? https://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/iran-news/irans-mullahs-killed-400-wounded-4000-detained-10000-in-fight-for-their-lives/2019/11/24/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #128 January 8, 2020 I hope that Trump is wise enough to realize that the missile attack missed by a rather large margin on purpose. Iran has said they do not want war. They did need to save face. I hope he is wise enough to accept the gesture for what it was. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #129 January 8, 2020 Iran avenges the death of Soleimani by killing 138* of its own citizens and putting on a fireworks display for US troops *82 from the plane crash and 56 from the Soleimani funeral stampede Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #130 January 8, 2020 Trump policies on Iran: Tear up the JCPOA Iran was complying with. Apply crippling sanctions on Iran, triggering escalating hostilities & destabilization. Retaliate to Iranian hostilities by killing Soleimani. Apply even more sanctions. Seek a nuclear deal like the one he tore up. Blame Obama. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #131 January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: I hope he is wise enough to accept the gesture for what it was. From his press conference it sounds like he was aware of it. Also, he looked like he could barely keep it together enough to make it through the press conference. I don't think he's in good shape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #132 January 11, 2020 (edited) Iran admits it shot down the 737 https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/world/middleeast/missile-iran-plane-crash.html Edited January 11, 2020 by ryoder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 144 #133 January 11, 2020 4 hours ago, ryoder said: Iran admits it shot down the 737 https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/world/middleeast/missile-iran-plane-crash.html Saw a New York Times article that said Trump admits his order was done to appease GOP senators that he needs for the impeachment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #134 January 11, 2020 It was someone's intent to bring that plane down. Better hope the headline never reads... Iran admits to nuclear strike on Israel unintentionally Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #135 January 11, 2020 11 hours ago, ryoder said: Iran admits it shot down the 737 https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/middleeast/iran-plane-crash-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/world/middleeast/missile-iran-plane-crash.html Shouldn't this just be in the firearm accidents thread then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #136 January 11, 2020 Why are we an occupying power in their country anyway? Maybe an experiment in minding our own business would show promise. Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,914 #137 January 11, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, kallend said: Why are we an occupying power in their country anyway? I blame the W administration, and the neo-cons with their crusader agenda. But really it goes back to Churchill and and the Anglo-Persian Oil Company Someone had to take up the white man's burden. Edited January 11, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #138 January 12, 2020 8 hours ago, gowlerk said: I blame the W administration, and the neo-cons with their crusader agenda. But really it goes back to Churchill and and the Anglo-Persian Oil Company Someone had to take up the white man's burden. I blame the Christian majority here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 144 #139 January 17, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 1:19 AM, normiss said: Trump policies on Iran: Tear up the JCPOA Iran was complying with. Apply crippling sanctions on Iran, triggering escalating hostilities & destabilization. Retaliate to Iranian hostilities by killing Soleimani. Apply even more sanctions. Seek a nuclear deal like the one he tore up. Blame Obama. So Trump said that after the missile strike everything was fine, I forget what words the idiot used. Traumatic brain injury is apparently nothing to be concerned over... https://thehill.com/policy/defense/478713-11-us-troops-injured-in-iran-missile-strikes-on-iraqi-bases-report Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #140 January 17, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, nigel99 said: So Trump said that after the missile strike everything was fine, I forget what words the idiot used. Traumatic brain injury is apparently nothing to be concerned over... https://thehill.com/policy/defense/478713-11-us-troops-injured-in-iran-missile-strikes-on-iraqi-bases-report So we should have bombed them back, not de escalated. gotcha. I'm sure the American people would have been perfectly fine with just a few injuries. Edited January 17, 2020 by turtlespeed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 307 #141 January 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, nigel99 said: So Trump said that after the missile strike everything was fine, I forget what words the idiot used. he said there were no americans killed. he was right in that statement. one of the few times ever... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 144 #142 January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: So we should have bombed them back, not de escalated. gotcha. I'm sure the American people would have been perfectly fine with just a few injuries. Just a few injuries and 176 dead, small price to pay for deflecting attention from impeachment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #143 January 17, 2020 3 hours ago, nigel99 said: Just a few injuries and 176 dead, small price to pay for deflecting attention from impeachment. I'm sorry - Did Trump's order to eliminate a really really bad guy cause you go out and kill anyone? I know it didn't cause me to do anything. The responsibility of the decision made to do any killing sits squarely on the one that gave the order. Trump ordered a horrible human being to be removed from the planet. Ali Khamenei gave the order to eliminate the rest of those that you speak of, unless you believe that Trump pulls his strings like a puppeteer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #144 January 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I'm sorry - Did Trump's order to eliminate a really really bad guy cause you go out and kill anyone? I know it didn't cause me to do anything. The responsibility of the decision made to do any killing sits squarely on the one that gave the order. Trump ordered a horrible human being to be removed from the planet. Ali Khamenei gave the order to eliminate the rest of those that you speak of, unless you believe that Trump pulls his strings like a puppeteer. I think what we're all getting at it the fact that actions in the Middle East cause things to go haywire and if you take those actions you need to also be ready for the consequences in human and civilian lives. That said, what the fuck was anyone doing flying into, out of or over Iran five hours after they'd launched a missile strike against US targets? This is one of the most volatile countries in the world and they had just attempted to escalated a fight with the most well armed military on the planet. Cancel all flights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #145 January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, DJL said: I think what we're all getting at it the fact that actions in the Middle East cause things to go haywire and if you take those actions you need to also be ready for the consequences in human and civilian lives. That said, what the fuck was anyone doing flying into, out of or over Iran five hours after they'd launched a missile strike against US targets? This is one of the most volatile countries in the world and they had just attempted to escalated a fight with the most well armed military on the planet. Cancel all flights. Don't blame the victims. ( I realize that wasn't your intention). Hopefully, the reason it was allowed is that there was little, to no communication. Unless they were ordered to allow the plane - so they had a target. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #146 January 17, 2020 Just now, turtlespeed said: Don't blame the victims. ( I realize that wasn't your intention). Hopefully, the reason it was allowed is that there was little, to no communication. Unless they were ordered to allow the plane - so they had a target. I don't blame the victims but I do blame everyone from the cockpit to each country's equivalent of the FAA. Remember, this was 5 hours after Iran shot missiles at US targets. I only wonder how there were not more planes getting shot down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 144 #147 January 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I'm sorry - Did Trump's order to eliminate a really really bad guy cause you go out and kill anyone? I know it didn't cause me to do anything. The responsibility of the decision made to do any killing sits squarely on the one that gave the order. Trump ordered a horrible human being to be removed from the planet. Ali Khamenei gave the order to eliminate the rest of those that you speak of, unless you believe that Trump pulls his strings like a puppeteer. Something I intensely dislike about the USA is the way they try and circumvent international law by ‘inventing’ new classes of enemy. Bush did it with Iraq and Afghanistan and the same goes for designating an arm of Iran’s security forces as terrorists and ordering a hit on the leader. Was he a bad man? Certainly he was, Trump did something that was questionable in terms of strategy and legality and owns the consequences. No he did not shoot down the airliner, but he triggered the events leading to it happening. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 144 #148 January 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, DJL said: I don't blame the victims but I do blame everyone from the cockpit to each country's equivalent of the FAA. Remember, this was 5 hours after Iran shot missiles at US targets. I only wonder how there were not more planes getting shot down. I agree. Not a good time to be in the air. I know QANTAS diverted their flights around the Middle East at that time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #149 January 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, nigel99 said: Was he a bad man? Certainly he was, Trump did something that was questionable in terms of strategy and legality and owns the consequences. No he did not shoot down the airliner, but he triggered the events leading to it happening. No one did anything with a trigger except Ali Khamenei. He ordered the trigger pulled. NO ONE forced his decision, just like NO ONE forced Trump to do what he did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #150 January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: No one did anything with a trigger except Ali Khamenei. He ordered the trigger pulled. NO ONE forced his decision, just like NO ONE forced Trump to do what he did. But Hillary Clinton is responsible for Benghazi. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites