HIV and HPV

[RonD1120 58]

jclalor

You don’t recall a certain GOP candidate in 2008, days before winning the Iowa primary, announcing that the HPV vaccine can cause mental retardation in young girls?

No, I do not.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,146]

But it is part of being the father of a pre-adolescent, which he is now, and was 12-15 years ago as well. The HPV vaccine was definitely in the news during that time.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Phil1111 913]

Science
Available vaccines protect against either two, four, or nine types of HPV.[1][2] All vaccines protect against at least HPV type 16 and 18 that cause the greatest risk of cervical cancer.[1] It is estimated that they may prevent 70% of cervical cancer, 80% of anal cancer, 60% of vaginal cancer, 40% of vulvar cancer, and possibly some mouth cancer.[3][4][5] They additionally prevent some genital warts with the vaccines against 4 and 9 HPV types providing greater protection.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccines

Non-science
http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/highlights/vaccines

So you want to have unprotected sex with porn stars,eh?

Perhaps this is the real reason:
https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2017/03/22/charlie-sheen-hollywood-stars-hiv-positive/21905697/

[jclalor 12]

RonD1120

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You don’t recall a certain GOP candidate in 2008, days before winning the Iowa primary, announcing that the HPV vaccine can cause mental retardation in young girls?

No, I do not.

The developer of the vaccine was a Nobel prize winner. If we could get our HPV vaccination rates as high as Rhwanda’s (80%) We could save 50,000 lives a year in our country.

[jakee 1,257]

RonD1120

That is my point. It did not concern our work. I suspect that it played a zero part in real estate development and contract negotiation as well.

How do you expect Trump to MAGA if he knows nothing about anything except real estate development?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[ryoder 1,397]

jakee

How do you expect Trump to MAGA if he knows nothing about anything except real estate development?

But he also knows casino management!
Oh wait; Bad example; Never mind.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[JoeWeber 2,325]

RonD1120

***> I worked as a clinician in the west central FL area and I do not recall ever seeing an
>article in the news about HPV. HIV was a daily concern but no one discussed HPV.

If your boss didn't know the difference - and was making policy decisions on how his employees took precautions against infectious disease in the course of their work - would it concern you?

That is my point. It did not concern our work. I suspect that it played a zero part in real estate development and contract negotiation as well.

Good googaloo, Ron. So if it's not thumbtacked to the wall of your cubicle then you don't need to know it? Your implication is that you shouldn't even want to know it.

Your words are the very definition of incurious.

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RonD1120

That is my point. It did not concern our work. I suspect that it played a zero part in real estate development and contract negotiation as well.

It may not have been relevant to Trump's previous career as real estate swindler. It is, however, quite relevant to his job as POTUS, at which he has demonstrated himself to be woefully incompetent.

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[RonD1120 58]

Iago

You guys are still talking about an anecdotal conversation from two years ago?

Must be a slow Twitter week for POTUS and there's nothing else to whine about in the forums.

You picked up on that also.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 1,646]

billvon

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The idea that the President-elect doesn't know the difference between HPV and HIV is frightening. I thought he was a 'genius'.

Keep in mind that his base is pulled from the less educated side of the populace. Ignorance, to many of them, is a plus.

"I love the poorly educated".

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,426]

>I suspect that it played a zero part in real estate development and contract negotiation
>as well.

I suspect it plays a role in choosing, say, a VA secretary or a head of the CDC. Someone completely ignorant of healthcare will not do as good a job as someone competent.

[JoeWeber 2,325]

RonD1120

***You guys are still talking about an anecdotal conversation from two years ago?

Must be a slow Twitter week for POTUS and there's nothing else to whine about in the forums.

You picked up on that also.

Ron, I'm not responding to the newsfeed. I'm responding to your words.

I'd like to know just how you can counsel anyone when your curiosity goes no further than your own self interest and is limited to your own past experiences?

Seriously, how do you reconcile your ignorance of things that anyone should know, like HPV, with your belief that you can counsel troubled minds? Do you honestly believe that your own life's experiences and personal beliefs are sufficient for the task?

[RonD1120 58]

JoeWeber

******You guys are still talking about an anecdotal conversation from two years ago?

Must be a slow Twitter week for POTUS and there's nothing else to whine about in the forums.

You picked up on that also.

Ron, I'm not responding to the newsfeed. I'm responding to your words.

I'd like to know just how you can counsel anyone when your curiosity goes no further than your own self interest and is limited to your own past experiences?

Seriously, how do you reconcile your ignorance of things that anyone should know, like HPV, with your belief that you can counsel troubled minds? Do you honestly believe that your own life's experiences and personal beliefs are sufficient for the task?

A professional counselor, the good ones, do not tell people what they know. They ask questions much more than give answers.

The only goal in counseling is to facilitate growth in the client whereby he can function in society at a productive level of personal responsibility.

Becoming aware of the spiritual component of life plays a major part. To change your life, I believe you must have a higher power on which to rely.

Jesus Christ is the Lord of all or He is not Lord at all.

Thirty-seven years ago He changed my life and I am certain He is willing to save all those who call upon Him.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jcd11235 0]

RonD1120

…
The only goal in counseling is to facilitate growth in the client whereby he can function in society at a productive level of personal responsibility.

Becoming aware of the spiritual component of life plays a major part. To change your life, I believe you must have a higher power on which to rely.
…

Nothing screams personal responsibility like reliance upon an imaginary friend.

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Jesus Christ is the Lord of all or He is not Lord at all.

I am going with the latter. Given his lack of intervention in recent mass murders, he seems to be quite negligent in his supreme efforts. Or lack thereof

[batshitcrazy]Glad that is working out for you. [/batshitcrazy]

[JoeWeber 2,325]

RonD1120

*********You guys are still talking about an anecdotal conversation from two years ago?

Must be a slow Twitter week for POTUS and there's nothing else to whine about in the forums.

You picked up on that also.

Ron, I'm not responding to the newsfeed. I'm responding to your words.

I'd like to know just how you can counsel anyone when your curiosity goes no further than your own self interest and is limited to your own past experiences?

Seriously, how do you reconcile your ignorance of things that anyone should know, like HPV, with your belief that you can counsel troubled minds? Do you honestly believe that your own life's experiences and personal beliefs are sufficient for the task?

A professional counselor, the good ones, do not tell people what they know. They ask questions much more than give answers.

The only goal in counseling is to facilitate growth in the client whereby he can function in society at a productive level of personal responsibility.

Becoming aware of the spiritual component of life plays a major part. To change your life, I believe you must have a higher power on which to rely.

Jesus Christ is the Lord of all or He is not Lord at all.

Thirty-seven years ago He changed my life and I am certain He is willing to save all those who call upon Him.

Then, by your own words, you are not a real counselor nor ever have been. Apparently, you don't really seek to help people with their problems. You seek to convert them to your beliefs. That would be the description of a common proselytizer. What counsel would you give to a young gay kid? Be happy? Your value is no less than any other person. People will love you and you they no less equally than any other? Or, would you point them in the direction of the holy spirit in the hopes that Satan will be driven from their souls and they will then be normal like you.

I believe a genuine counselor helps people get comfortable with who they are, not with who they are not. Nor do they pass the sort of judgements on lifestyles and desires as you do, ay least here, with regularity. They seek, using a variety of understandings, to get folks comfortable in their own skins. You seem to want your clients to abandon themselves in exchange for a belief system that meets your personal approval; that is to accept your higher power and if they refuse then there is no help.

[GeorgiaDon 340]

jcd11235

***That is my point. It did not concern our work. I suspect that it played a zero part in real estate development and contract negotiation as well.

It may not have been relevant to Trump's previous career as real estate swindler. It is, however, quite relevant to his job as POTUS, at which he has demonstrated himself to be woefully incompetent.It's worrisome that this administration has consistently proposed extreme cuts to the budget for global heath security, and national security adviser Bolton has forced out the head of the Global Health Security Office (on the same day a new Ebola outbreak was announced) [link]. Bolton apparently has no interest in maintaining the office. Trump is filling his administration with people who think exactly the same as he does on issues, and "Bombs Away Bolton" has always been dismissive of the national security implications of pandemic disease outbreaks. I recall back in the Bush #1 administration Bolton was agitating to bomb vaccine manufacturing facilities in Cuba, on the theory that if they could make vaccines maybe they could make biological warfare agents.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[DJL 232]

jclalor

Absolutely astounding that our President didn’t know the difference.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-asked-bill-gates-about-the-difference-between-hiv-and-hpv/

Well, to be fair Quail helped everyone to learn the spelling differences at the ends of the words Toematoe and Patato.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[billvon 2,426]

>I recall back in the Bush #1 administration Bolton was agitating to bomb vaccine
>manufacturing facilities in Cuba, on the theory that if they could make vaccines maybe
>they could make biological warfare agents.

Keep in mind that Trump thinks vaccines cause autism. So there might be a plan there.

[jakee 1,257]

GeorgiaDon

I recall back in the Bush #1 administration Bolton was agitating to bomb vaccine manufacturing facilities in Cuba, on the theory that if they could make vaccines maybe they could make biological warfare agents.

For real?

So he is General Ripper?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[GeorgiaDon 340]

jakee

***I recall back in the Bush #1 administration Bolton was agitating to bomb vaccine manufacturing facilities in Cuba, on the theory that if they could make vaccines maybe they could make biological warfare agents.

For real?

So he is General Ripper?Small correction, this happened in 2002 so it would have been during the Bush #2 administration, not Bush 1.

From this article:

"Earlier, he had urged a first strike “pre-emptive” attack on Cuba, claiming that the Cubans were preparing biological warfare agents at a plant on the island. Steve Clemons of The Atlantic had visited that plant and reported that it was a medical lab developing vaccines for Cuba’s free national health care system."

Don

_____________________________________
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[RonD1120 58]

JoeWeber

************You guys are still talking about an anecdotal conversation from two years ago?

Must be a slow Twitter week for POTUS and there's nothing else to whine about in the forums.

You picked up on that also.

Ron, I'm not responding to the newsfeed. I'm responding to your words.

I'd like to know just how you can counsel anyone when your curiosity goes no further than your own self interest and is limited to your own past experiences?

Seriously, how do you reconcile your ignorance of things that anyone should know, like HPV, with your belief that you can counsel troubled minds? Do you honestly believe that your own life's experiences and personal beliefs are sufficient for the task?

A professional counselor, the good ones, do not tell people what they know. They ask questions much more than give answers.

The only goal in counseling is to facilitate growth in the client whereby he can function in society at a productive level of personal responsibility.

Becoming aware of the spiritual component of life plays a major part. To change your life, I believe you must have a higher power on which to rely.

Jesus Christ is the Lord of all or He is not Lord at all.

Thirty-seven years ago He changed my life and I am certain He is willing to save all those who call upon Him.

Then, by your own words, you are not a real counselor nor ever have been. Apparently, you don't really seek to help people with their problems. You seek to convert them to your beliefs. That would be the description of a common proselytizer. What counsel would you give to a young gay kid? Be happy? Your value is no less than any other person. People will love you and you they no less equally than any other? Or, would you point them in the direction of the holy spirit in the hopes that Satan will be driven from their souls and they will then be normal like you.

I believe a genuine counselor helps people get comfortable with who they are, not with who they are not. Nor do they pass the sort of judgements on lifestyles and desires as you do, ay least here, with regularity. They seek, using a variety of understandings, to get folks comfortable in their own skins. You seem to want your clients to abandon themselves in exchange for a belief system that meets your personal approval; that is to accept your higher power and if they refuse then there is no help.

You have made an understandable and often repeated error. I have explained many times in this forum, but not to you directly, the nature of my counseling practice.

Three times in my career I was able to legally share the gospel of Jesus Christ with my clients. First with the Salvation Army, next in my private Christian Counseling Practice and last with Metropolitan Ministries. Most of the programs I worked with received federal money and we were not allowed to offer any religious direction.

Be that as it may, the spiritual component with substance use disorder is actively emphasized and encouraged. The client may choose whatever they prefer. Most generally referred to as My Higher Power.

Your statement above:

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I believe a genuine counselor helps people get comfortable with who they are, not with who they are not. Nor do they pass the sort of judgements on lifestyles and desires as you do, ay least here, with regularity. They seek, using a variety of understandings, to get folks comfortable in their own skins.

You are correct with the exception that in SC I have no clients. I received no fees for my posts. I am free to express my Christian belief, offer Scriptural advice and give glory to Jesus the Christ as I deem appropriate.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[TriGirl 277]

RonD1120

According to the article, Bill Gates stated that the conversation between them took place in Dec 2016. He would not be expected to be that knowledgeable about the disease at that time. It seems as though he was asking a question of someone (Gates) whom he thought had reasonable information. And that seems to be a reasonable thing to do.

Except that he was president-elect by that time. From the minute he decided to run for president, he should have been getting educated on matters that affect Americans. Especially WRT health care, as he campaigned on knowing what was better for Americans on health care coverage.

I said it then, and I'll say it again: he was (and still is) wholly unqualified for the job.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[TriGirl 277]

JoeWeber

***Why should he?

I worked in the clinical field for years utilizing universal precautions and I did not know what HPV was until about a year before I retired. One of my female counselors told me during a coffee break conversation.

Because we shouldn't elect ignorant boobs to be President, that's why. You don't give a crap about science, outside of omni-science I suppose, so you get a pass. But a President ought to know a little something about things that affect the health of young girls people which includes having a considered opinion on vaccination.

FIFY. It is carried by and affects everyone.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[ryoder 1,397]

Just wait until Trump hears about HOV lanes;
Then he will really be confused.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.