Russiagate

[SkyDekker 1,122]

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Isn't interesting that she gets charged but Comey and others don't.

For once you are right. It isn't interesting.

[billvon 2,400]

>Isn't interesting that she gets charged but Comey and others don't.

One is a Russian agent who tried to illegally influence a US election.

The other is a well respected deputy attorney general who served under Bush and led the FBI for four years under Obama.

So no, neither interesting nor uprising that a Russian agent is charged but an American who served his country with distinction did not.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

SkyDekker

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Isn't interesting that she gets charged but Comey and others don't.

For once you are right. It isn't interesting.

Nope.

She submitted court documents claiming they were independent, when she was involved in producing them.

Obstruction of Justice.

If the allegations are true, then she committed a crime.

Those "others" have yet to be shown to have committed any crimes (outside the imagination of the extreme right).

However, Putin has demonstrated that he won't take this lying down. His own words: "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth."

I would not think this is a good time for a US citizen to be in Russia.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>Isn't interesting that she gets charged but Comey and others don't.

One is a Russian agent who tried to illegally influence a US election.

The other is a well respected deputy attorney general who served under Bush and led the FBI for four years under Obama.

So no, neither interesting nor uprising that a Russian agent is charged but an American who served his country with distinction did not.

And the so-called more respected one, as you put it, is more corrupt

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 622]

Those that believe innocent people have committed crimes, with zero proof of anything, can't make sense of thise.
They never will.
Facts and laws are a very fuzzy grey area for them.
Except when it's someone they hate, also for no logical reason.

[billvon 2,400]

Yep.

It is a sign of the times that Trump supporters think a Russian agent who lied to US courts, and is out to damage our government, is innocent, and an American who served his country with distinction is a criminal - because he's telling the truth instead of being politically correct. Especially given how ecstatically they were praising Comey when he _was_ being politically correct and attacking Clinton.

More moral relativism from the right.

[gowlerk 1,912]

The one good thing about the "wall shutdown"? It has distracted the Dotard from tweeting about Mueller daily.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,400]

And this is a funny thing to have to mention but this is NOT the Russian spy currently in jail for spying and attempting to channel money to the Republican party via the NRA. It's a different female Russian agent.

Getting hard to keep track of all the Russian criminals that are connected to Trump.

[Phil1111 911]

rushmc

***>Isn't interesting that she gets charged but Comey and others don't.

One is a Russian agent who tried to illegally influence a US election.

The other is a well respected deputy attorney general who served under Bush and led the FBI for four years under Obama.

So no, neither interesting nor uprising that a Russian agent is charged but an American who served his country with distinction did not.

And the so-called more respected one, as you put it, is more corrupt

Troooling. Your glorious leader has had his own Jeff Sessions on the job for two years. He could have ordered any investigation he wanted. He also could have used the flimsiest of pretenses to have charges laid.

Yet you repeat the same Fox/Breitbart lies. You don't seem to tire of such repeated behavior either. mmmm

The Definition of Insanity is
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/in-therapy/200907/the-definition-insanity-is

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." ...

people use it in the service of avoidance, which is a defense mechanism. Rather than facing their fears, they grab on to this saying for protection against possible failure, pain or rejection. Some examples:...

Perseveration: the pathological, persistent repetition of a word, gesture, or act."

So its a coping mechanism that you use to avoid the acceptance of being wrong.

Same for Hillary.She could have been charged by Sessions. In fact wasn't a promise made to "lock her up".? Why has he refused to do it?

answer:
Go back to see your psychological self defense mechanism above.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

Phil1111

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Troooling. Your glorious leader has had his own Jeff Sessions on the job for two years. He could have ordered any investigation he wanted. He also could have used the flimsiest of pretenses to have charges laid...

...Same for Hillary.She could have been charged by Sessions. In fact wasn't a promise made to "lock her up".? Why has he refused to do it?

Probably because he was told by enough people (including Sessions) that it wouldn't work. Or that they (the folks in the Justice Dept) would not do it because it's against the law.

I have no doubt he would love to emulate his heroes, Putin and Kim Jong Un and 'lock up' anyone who disagrees, dissents or mocks him.

Fortunately, there are enough prosecutors (like all of them) who realize that HRC, Comey, CNN. the New York Times, ect have good enough lawyers that they would not only see those 'charges' dismissed almost immediately, the 'criminals' would have very solid grounds for false arrest lawsuits.

Of course, the Reicht Wingers ignore that. They scream "LOCK HER UP!!!" about HRC's emails and ignore or actively defend the exact same behavior by Invanka.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[gowlerk 1,912]

Because "lock her up!" was merely a show. Like a carnival barker, or a wrestling announcer. Trump is above all else a showman. He could not care less about locking up Hilary. And very likely he doesn't really care about a wall either. What he cares about is promoting himself. He nearly walked away from the wall again, until it was made clear to him that his adoring fans would turn on him.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[SkyDekker 1,122]

And so we go from "no one in my campaign had any contact with Russians" to the Trump campaign sharing polling data with a Russian spy....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/paul-manafort-shared-2016-polling-data-with-russian-employee-according-to-court-filing/2019/01/08/3f562ad8-12b0-11e9-803c-4ef28312c8b9_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6d7ed01c2076

[rushmc 18]

billvon

Yep.

It is a sign of the times that Trump supporters think a Russian agent who lied to US courts, and is out to damage our government, is innocent, and an American who served his country with distinction is a criminal - because he's telling the truth instead of being politically correct. Especially given how ecstatically they were praising Comey when he _was_ being politically correct and attacking Clinton.

More moral relativism from the right.

The real sign of the times is seeing those with Trump derangement syndrome think he got elected because of Russia.

That level of delousion is extreme at the very least

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,400]

>the Trump campaign sharing polling data with a Russian spy....

Any bets on which it will be?

1) He didn't do it
2) OK maybe he did it but it's not that bad, everyone does it
3) Clinton did it first

or even (since it's not Trump)

4) Trump knew nothing about it; it was all on Manafort

[normiss 622]

There's a word for that type of action...hmmm...can't put my finger on it.

[SkyDekker 1,122]

Not too many people think that. Next to impossible to quantify. I do think only deranged people think Russia didn't try and help quite a bit to get him elected.

I mean, why would the campaign share 2016 polling data with a Russian Spy otherwise?

[SkyDekker 1,122]

The further interesting part is that Kilimnik (the spy) was in business with Sam Patten. Patton, Manafort and Kilimnik worked together on the Ukrainian "election" and the Cambridge Analytica role in that.

Patten has plead guilty to illegally funneling money to Trump's inauguration fund and is cooperating with Mueller.

But I am sure it is all a big nothingburger.....

[billvon 2,400]

I loved this detail from his lawyers:

"it is not surprising at all that Mr. Manafort was unable to recall specific details prior to having his recollection refreshed"

Translation - he didn't realize he would get caught in the lie until the FBI told him that they already had the info they were asking about.

[SkyDekker 1,122]

On a separate note:

the US Supremem Court has rejected the appeal of the unidentified foreign state owned company who are trying to get out of a subpoena. The administrative stay has been lifted and they will have to comply.

This case is widely believed to relate to the Mueller investigation. It also avoids any issues related to the possibility of a fully secret case in front of the Supreme Court.

[jakee 1,255]

rushmc

And the so-called more respected one, as you put it, is more corrupt

What specific criminal actions should he be charged over?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[ryoder 1,384]

SkyDekker

And so we go from "no one in my campaign had any contact with Russians" to the Trump campaign sharing polling data with a Russian spy....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/paul-manafort-shared-2016-polling-data-with-russian-employee-according-to-court-filing/2019/01/08/3f562ad8-12b0-11e9-803c-4ef28312c8b9_story.html

Someone I follow on FB posted a reaction to that story:

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 18]

SkyDekker

Not too many people think that. Next to impossible to quantify. I do think only deranged people think Russia didn't try and help quite a bit to get him elected.

I mean, why would the campaign share 2016 polling data with a Russian Spy otherwise?

I don't know about the polling claim and I really don't care. But someone has to realize that Russia has been trying to affect our elections for the last 30 years. Just as we have been there and everybody else's we don't agree with

hell Obama even spent State Department money trying to get netanyahu beat in Israel for Christ sakes. Nobody here cared about that.

So we do the same thing.

the absolute fact of the matter today is there is absolutely no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to affect the election. It is a theme or narrative put out by those trying to destroy his candidacy and now his presidency.

and the mainstream media has their nose rings and so many people there just follow it around blindly and believe in everything they're told.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,122]

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the absolute fact of the matter today is there is absolutely no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to affect the election.

Well, other than for instance the campaign giving polling data to a GRU officer.

But, you have already said you don't care. You have made your claim, stated your opinion and you see it as a badge of honour that nothing can ever change that opinion. I see it as weakness.

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hell Obama even spent State Department money trying to get netanyahu beat in Israel for Christ sakes.

That claim isn't correct and requires more nuance than just that.

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and the mainstream media has their nose rings and so many people there just follow it around blindly and believe in everything they're told.

You mean the mainstream media who decided not to televise an address from president Obama on immigration because it was considered too political and now has no problem televising Trump?

[Phil1111 911]

rushmc

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hell Obama even spent State Department money trying to get netanyahu beat in Israel for Christ sakes. Nobody here cared about that.

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PunditFact’s

This claim rates Mostly False.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/25/blog-posting/blog-claims-us-funded-anti-netanyahu-election-effo/

As usual.

[rushmc 18]

SkyDekker

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the absolute fact of the matter today is there is absolutely no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to affect the election.

Well, other than for instance the campaign giving polling data to a GRU officer.

But, you have already said you don't care. You have made your claim, stated your opinion and you see it as a badge of honour that nothing can ever change that opinion. I see it as weakness.

***hell Obama even spent State Department money trying to get netanyahu beat in Israel for Christ sakes.

That claim isn't correct and requires more nuance than just that.

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and the mainstream media has their nose rings and so many people there just follow it around blindly and believe in everything they're told.

You mean the mainstream media who decided not to televise an address from president Obama on immigration because it was considered too political and now has no problem televising Trump?

you just confirmed what I said. Your nose ring is so deep and you can't help but follow where the rope pulls you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln