Russiagate

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

billvon

...What did Trump have to say?

“Totally clears the President. Thank you!”

If Mueller "clears" him any further he may not make it to the end of his term.

Not too surprising.

He says what he wants to.
Truth is irrelevant.

This gives his 'true believers' a retort.

"Trump says he didn't do anything wrong."

"This is all Fake News."

"The Mueller Memo said he was in the clear."

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[LeeroyJenkins 2]

So how do we hold rush to his word? He said he would stop supporting trump if he committed any crimes, he now has. How do we hold rush to it?

[billvon 2,380]

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So how do we hold rush to his word? He said he would stop supporting trump if he committed any crimes, he now has. How do we hold rush to it?

Keep in mind that there were a lot of republicans who kept supporting Nixon even after his impeachment and resignation.

[ryoder 1,381]

LeeroyJenkins

So how do we hold rush to his word? He said he would stop supporting trump if he committed any crimes, he now has. How do we hold rush to it?

How about: We just stop feeding the trolls?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[LeeroyJenkins 2]

ryoder

***So how do we hold rush to his word? He said he would stop supporting trump if he committed any crimes, he now has. How do we hold rush to it?

How about: We just stop feeding the trolls?

Not all trump supports are trolls, some of them are just dumb.

[Phil1111 908]

Donald Trump Would Have Made Hundreds of Millions of Dollars From Russia for Trump Tower Moscow, Mueller Filing Reveals
12/7/18
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-would-have-made-hundreds-millions-dollars-russia-trump-tower-1250468

President Donald Trump would have made millions of dollars in licensing fees and other transactions if he had succeeded in opening a Trump Tower in Moscow, a court document filed on Friday noted....

Previous court documents alleged that Cohen lied because Trump wanted to create the impression that all contact between the Trump Organization and Russia had ended before the Iowa caucuses in February 2016. Now it turns out that Cohen communicated with representatives of the Kremlin after the caucuses, at a time when Russia was already attempting to interfere in the 2016 election.

“The defendant’s false statements obscured the fact that the Moscow Project was a lucrative business opportunity that sought, and likely required, the assistance of the Russian government. If the project was completed, the Company could have received hundreds of millions of dollars from Russian sources in licensing fees and other revenues,” the court document read.

“The fact that Cohen continued to work on the project and discuss it with Individual 1 well into the campaign was material to the ongoing congressional and SCO investigations, particularly because it occurred at a time of sustained efforts by the Russian government to interfere with the U.S. presidential election,” the document continued."

Hundred of millions of dollars for trump and his clan of criminals. A $50 million dollar penthouse for Putin.

Putin’s penthouse: Michael Cohen reportedly offered a $50 million sweetener for Trump Tower Moscow
https://www.salon.com/2018/11/30/putins-penthouse-michael-cohen-reportedly-offered-a-50-million-sweetener-for-trump-tower-moscow/

President Donald Trump's company, The Trump Organization, proposed giving a $50 million penthouse at Trump Tower Moscow to Russian President Vladimir Putin as the company negotiated building the Trump-branded skyscraper during the 2016 presidential campaign, BuzzFeed News reported Thursday, citing four people familiar with the matter.

Michael Cohen, the attorney who spent many years working as President Donald Trump's personal "fixer," reportedly discussed the idea with Putin's press secretary Dmitry Peskov, two U.S. law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed.

The report also notes Felix Sater, a longtime Trump associate who has been accused of having ties to organized crime in both the U.S. and in Russia, telling BuzzFeed News that he and Cohen suggested gifting the penthouse to Putin could help sell other apartments."

Well, well, well yet republicans... excuse me trump cultists, still voted for trump supporting senators in midterms.

[rushmc 18]

And I will vote for him again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 1,903]

rushmc

And I will vote for him again

Only if he runs and/or is allowed to run again.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[yoink 321]

rushmc

And I will vote for him again

That you say that before knowing ANYTHING about his opponents is why your opinion in any political discussion is utterly worthless.

You’d vote for a traitor or nazi if they came with a R badge before a Democrat.

[normiss 620]

Criminals who commit felonies make the best politicians.

[rushmc 18]

gowlerk

***And I will vote for him again

Only if he runs and/or is allowed to run again.

He will and will be allowed to. The bullshit that's being posted is just political op-ed crap. Has nothing to do with the law. But then Democrats and people like you don't care about that.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

normiss

Criminals who commit felonies make the best politicians.

And they're rewarded in the Democratic party! Just like Hillary has been.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

yoink

***And I will vote for him again

That you say that before knowing ANYTHING about his opponents is why your opinion in any political discussion is utterly worthless.

You’d vote for a traitor or nazi if they came with a R badge before a Democrat.

I'm just replying to this post to make sure that it's saved. The incredible stupidity in that post is a sight to be seen!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 620]

While I don't respond to trolls here these days, I am somewhat curious about when Hillary Clinton was officially accused of committing a felony by a DOJ federal prosecutor, or directed her staff to commit a felony for that matter.
Oh never mind, she hasn't. Because she didn't commit nor direct anyone else to commit crimes.
Russian trolls totally succeeded in their efforts.

[billvon 2,380]

This may not end up being directly tied to Russiagate, but it looks like the NRA's connection to the Kremlin is cooperating now. It certainly reinforces the claim that Russia has tried to push the election in Trump's favor.

The NRA's Russian funding has also dried up - no wonder they are having to cut programs and TV shows.
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Alleged Russian agent Maria Butina poised to plead guilty in case involving suspected Kremlin attempts to influence NRA

By Rosalind S. Helderman and
Spencer S. Hsu
December 10 at 12:07 PM

Maria Butina, a Russian gun rights activist, is poised to plead guilty in a case involving accusations that she was working as an agent for the Kremlin in the United States, according to a new court filing.

Attorneys for Butina and federal prosecutors jointly requested in court documents Monday that U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan set a time for Butina to withdraw her previous plea of not guilty. They said they could be available for her to enter her plea as early as Tuesday.

“The parties have resolved this matter,” Butina’s lawyers and D.C.-based prosecutors wrote in their joint filing.

A plea is not final until it is entered in court and accepted by a judge. Monday’s filing did not indicate to what charge she will plead.

Butina was accused of working to push the Kremlin’s agenda by forming bonds with National Rifle Association officials and other conservative leaders and making outreach to 2016 presidential candidates.

A native of Siberia, she founded a group to expand gun rights in Russia, a profile that allowed her to develop relationships with U.S. conservatives intrigued with her work. Prosecutors said Butina, 30, stepped up her activities after moving to Washington in September 2016 to attend graduate school at American University.

. . . Prosecutors said her goal was to advance the foreign policy aims of the Kremlin and that she was acting at the direction of a Russian government official, Alexander Torshin, a former senator who now serves as deputy director of the Russian central bank.
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[SkyDekker 1,121]

If I were Russia and I am trying to sow discourse in US society, the NRA is a natural target. Americans have shown they are generally unable to keep from shooting each other. Each incident leading to further discourse.

Arming as many Americans as possible helps with creating instability. A third of Americans has already indicated they would happily embrace Russia if it means not giving power to a woman or a black person.

[billvon 2,380]

We now have Federal prosecutors saying that a sitting US president committed a felony. From the Chicago Times:
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The Department of Justice Calls Donald Trump a Felon

New Yorker
DEC. 7, 2018

By Jonathan Chait@jonathanchait

Federal prosecutors released sentencing recommendations for two alleged criminals who worked closely with Donald Trump: his lawyer Michael Cohen, and campaign manager Paul Manafort. They are filled with damning details. But the most important passage by far is this, about Trump’s fixer: “Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1.”

The payments in question, as the document explains, concern a payoff to two women who claimed to have affairs with Trump. The payments, according to prosecutors, were intended to influence the campaign, and thereby constituted violations of campaign finance law. They have not formally charged Trump with this crime — it is a sentencing report for Cohen, not Trump — but this is the U.S. Department of Justice calling Trump a criminal.

There is more. Under normal circumstances, the long list of charges federal prosecutors cited against Michael Cohen would be a political catastrophe for President Trump. One of the president’s closest associates turns out to have allegedly committed a long string of crimes, from tax evasion to making false statements to a financial institution, that would besmirch the good name of the man who worked at his side for years.

Of course Trump has no good name. But the fact that he is being called a felon by the United States government is a historic step. And it is likely the first of more to come.

Just as a recent sentencing report indicated that Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn is cooperating substantially, prosecutors wrote today that Cohen is providing helpful information on other crimes. Cohen reportedly gave the special counsel “useful information concerning certain discrete Russia-related matters core to its investigation that he obtained by virtue of his regular contact with Company executives during them.” And this contact continued into 2018. Cohen was not locked out and probably has access to some secrets.

The sentencing recommendation for Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, contains very little detail that isn’t redacted. It describes Manafort as having lied repeatedly about his interactions with Konstantin Kilimnik, his business partner and Russian intelligence asset, and with the Trump administration. Trump has dismissed Manafort as a distant underling who worked for him only briefly, but the filing states Manafort’s contact with the administration continued into 2018. This does not prove anything, but it suggests Manafort’s guilt implicated people other than Manafort himself.

The special counsel sentencing recommendation for Cohen also reveals that Russian contact with the Trump campaign began as early as 2015, not the following spring. And Russians promised “political synergy” — which is essentially a synonym for campaign collusion — and “synergy on a government level.” That means a quid pro quo in which Russia would help Trump win the election and Trump, if elected, would give Russia favorable policy. This is the heart of Mueller’s very much ongoing investigation.
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[normiss 620]

Trump 2020!!!!

As in, 20 years for collusion, and 20 years for treason.

[jakee 1,254]

Why does he keep saying ‘allegedly’? Manafort and Cohen are criminals, that has been decided.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

No, we have political hacks saying he committed a felony. Big difference

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 1,903]

True. He's not a felon yet. He's an unindicted co-conspirator for now. That's your man Marc.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 18]

gowlerk

True. He's not a felon yet. He's an unindicted co-conspirator for now. That's your man Marc.

Only in your and the media’s dreams

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Phil1111 908]

rushmc

No, we have political hacks saying he committed a felony. Big difference

Speaking of political hacks your leader Rupert Murdoch...er.. Fox news..er trump. Said today that "President Donald Trump says in a new interview that he is not concerned about being impeached by Democrats, saying, "I think that the people would revolt if that happened."
https://www.abc4.com/news/politics/the-latest-trump-people-would-revolt-if-i-were-impeached/1654087463

Which was what the republican hack Giuliani said a while back:
"Americans would 'revolt' if Trump impeached 'for political reasons'
Aug. 24, 2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/24/rudy-giuliani-trump-impeachment-revolt/1083706002/

Is that true Marc? Or is trump a liar? Would you take to the streets with your AR-15?

[billvon 2,380]

>No, we have political hacks saying he committed a felony. Big difference

That's fine. You can call them whatever you like. They are prosecutors in the US Justice Department.

If you drive drunk, and you get pulled over, you can call the cop (and the DA, and the judge at your hearing) political hacks all you like. You will still lose your license.

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>No, we have political hacks saying he committed a felony. Big difference

That's fine. You can call them whatever you like. They are prosecutors in the US Justice Department.

If you drive drunk, and you get pulled over, you can call the cop (and the DA, and the judge at your hearing) political hacks all you like. You will still lose your license.

How long ago did you start this thread? 2 years ago?

How many times have you just been giddy cause you're sure he's gone this time for sure? How many??

So here we are. One more time. And still no Russia Trump.

Sorry, but you will yet again be heart broken because you keep your media Trump hater nose ring in.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln