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RMK

Can you point out the example of 50 or more deaths and 500+ injuries via automobile in a single occurrence. I'm not aware of one (US or globally).

this one would be pretty close https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_Le_Mans_disaster

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[RiggerLee 61]

Seems up to date to me:



Deadliest U.S. mass shootings, 1984-2017
By LOS ANGELES TIMES STAFF
OCT. 2, 2017 5:26 P.M.
Here are some of the most notable mass shootings in the U.S. in recent decades.

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OCTOBER 1, 2017
59 killed, more than 500 injured: Las Vegas
More than 50 people were killed and at least 500 others injured when a gunman opened fire at a country music festival near the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on the Las Vegas Strip, authorities said.

Police said the suspect, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, a resident of Mesquite, Nev., was was found dead after a SWAT team burst into the hotel room from which he was firing at the crowd.

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JUNE 5, 2017
5 killed: Orange County, Fla.
A gunman fatally shoots five former co-workers at an awning company near Orlando, Fla., then kills himself shortly before police arrive, authorities say. John Robert Neumann Jr., 45, was fired from his job there nearly two months earlier.

JAN. 6, 2017
5 killed, 6 injured: Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
After taking a flight to Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport in Florida, a man retrieves a gun from his luggage in baggage claim, loads it and opens fire, killing five people near a baggage carousel and wounding six others. Dozens more are injured in the ensuing panic.

Esteban Santiago, a 26-year-old Iraq war veteran from Anchorage, Alaska, has pleaded not guilty to 22 federal charges.

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SEPT. 23, 2016
5 killed: Burlington, Wash.
A gunman enters the cosmetics area of a Macy’s store near Seattle and fatally shoots an employee and four shoppers at close range. Authorities say Arcan Cetin, a 20-year-old fast-food worker, used a semi-automatic Ruger .22 rifle that he stole from his stepfather’s closet.

Cetin, facing five counts of first-degree murder, dies in jail the following April; authorities call it an apparent suicide.

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JUNE 14, 2017
3 killed: San Francisco
A UPS driver kills three coworkers and then himself at their San Francisco package facility using a stolen assault-style pistol, according to police. Police said 38-year-old Jimmy Lam began shooting at an employee meeting and targeted specific coworkers.

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JUNE 12, 2016
49 killed, 58 injured in Orlando nightclub shooting

The United States suffered the worst mass shooting in its modern history when 49 people were killed and 58 injured in Orlando, Fla., after a gunman stormed into a packed gay nightclub.

The gunman was killed by a SWAT team after taking hostages at Pulse, a popular gay club. He was preliminarily identified as 29-year-old Omar Mateen.

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DEC. 2, 2015
14 killed, 22 injured: San Bernardino, Calif.

(Marcus Yam / Los Angeles Times)
Two assailants killed 14 people and wounded 22 others in a shooting at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. The two attackers, who were married, were killed in a gun battle with police. They were U.S.-born Syed Rizwan Farook and Pakistan national Tashfeen Malik, and had an arsenal of ammunition and pipe bombs in their Redlands home.

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NOV. 29, 2015
3 killed, 9 injured: Colorado Springs, Colo.

(David Zalubowski / Associated Press)
A gunman entered a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colo., and started firing. Police named Robert Lewis Dear as the suspect in the attacks. Three people were killed — university police Officer Garrett Swasey, Iraq war veteran Ke’Arre M. Stewart and Jennifer Markovsky, who had accompanied friends to the clinic. Each was the parent of two children.

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OCT. 1, 2015
9 killed, 9 injured: Roseburg, Ore.

(Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press)
Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shot and killed eight fellow students and a teacher at Umpqua Community College. Authorities described Harper-Mercer, who recently had moved to Oregon from Southern California, as a “hate-filled” individual with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who had long struggled with mental health issues. He owned 14 weapons, all purchased legally. Harper-Mercer, 26, killled himself after exchanging gunfire with deputies.

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JULY 16, 2015
5 killed, 3 injured: Chattanooga, Tenn.
Photos of four slain Marines are placed at a makeshift memorial at a military recruiting center in Chattanooga
Photos of four slain Marines are placed at a makeshift memorial at a military recruiting center in Chattanooga (Joe Raedle / Getty Images)
A gunman opened fire on two military centers more than seven miles apart, killing four Marines and a Navy sailor.

A man identified by federal authorities as Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24, sprayed dozens of bullets at a military recruiting center, then drove to a Navy-Marine training facility and opened fire again before he was killed.

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JUNE 18, 2015
9 killed: Charleston, S.C.
Jessica Oliver leaves flowers on a memorial in front of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.
Jessica Oliver leaves flowers on a memorial in front of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. (Getty Images)
Dylann Storm Roof is charged with nine counts of murder and three counts of attempted murder in an attack that killed nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C.

Authorities say Roof, a suspected white supremacist, started firing on a group gathered at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after first praying with them. He fled authorities before being arrested in North Carolina.

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MAY 23, 2014
6 killed, 7 injured: Isla Vista, Calif.
People participate in a memorial in People's Park in remembrance of those who were killed and injured by Elliot Rodger in Isla Vista on May 23, 2014.
People participate in a memorial in People's Park in remembrance of those who were killed and injured by Elliot Rodger in Isla Vista on May 23, 2014. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)
Elliot Rodger, 22, meticulously planned his deadly attack on the Isla Vista community for more than a year, spending thousands of dollars in order to arm and train himself to kill as many people as possible, according to a report released by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office. Rodger killed six people before shooting himself.

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APRIL 2, 2014
3 killed; 16 injured: Ft. Hood, Texas
Members of the media wait outside Fort Hood for an official statement.
Members of the media wait outside Fort Hood for an official statement. (Deborah Cannon / Austin American-Statesman/MCT)
A gunman at Fort Hood, the scene of a deadly 2009 rampage, kills three people and injures 16 others, according to military officials. The gunman is dead at the scene.

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SEPT. 16, 2013
12 killed, 3 injured: Washington, D.C.
Law enforcement personnel respond to an attack on office workers at Washington Navy Yard on September 16, 2013.
Law enforcement personnel respond to an attack on office workers at Washington Navy Yard on September 16, 2013. (MCT)
Aaron Alexis, a Navy contractor and former Navy enlisted man, shoots and kills 12 people and engages police in a running firefight through the sprawling Washington Navy Yard. He is shot and killed by authorities.

Authorities later reveal that he had an extensive Navy disciplinary record that included several unauthorized absences from duty, instances of insubordination and disorderly conduct, one instance of being absent without leave, and several failed inspections. He was still able to get a security clearance and purchase a rifle.

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JUNE 7, 2013
5 killed: Santa Monica
Santa Monica Police Sgt. Richard Lewis speaks about the replica weapons and zip guns found during a search of John Zawahri's house.
Santa Monica Police Sgt. Richard Lewis speaks about the replica weapons and zip guns found during a search of John Zawahri's house. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times)
John Zawahri, an unemployed 23-year-old, kills five people in an attack that starts at his father’s home and ends at Santa Monica College, where he is fatally shot by police in the school’s library.

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DEC. 14, 2012
27 killed, one injured: Newtown, Conn.
Responders gather at scene of a mass school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Responders gather at scene of a mass school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. (Mario Tama / Getty Images)
A gunman forces his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. and shoots and kills 20 first graders and six adults. The shooter, Adam Lanza, 20, kills himself at the scene. Lanza also killed his mother at the home they shared, prior to his shooting rampage. In emotional remarks from the White House, President Obama wiped away tears. “Our hearts are broken today,” the president said.
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OCT. 21, 2012
3 killed, 4 injured: Brookfield, Wis.
Rescue personnel arrive at the Azana Salon and Spa
Rescue personnel arrive at the Azana Salon and Spa (Michael Sears / Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)
Radcliffe Haughton, a 45-year-old former Marine, walks into the Azana Salon and Spa where his estranged wife works and shoots and kills her and two other women, wounding four others. Witnesses say Haughton’s wife, Zina, calmly tried to protect coworkers and customers before she was killed. She had recently sought a restraining order saying her husband had threatened to throw acid in her face and set her on fire with gasoline. Haughton was found dead inside the salon of a self-inflicted gunshot.

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SEPT. 28, 2012
6 killed, 2 injured: Minneapolis, Minn.
At a fatal shooting in the Bryn Mawr neighborhood of Minneapolis, Minnesota, people are moved to a safe area from the crime scene Sept. 27, 2012.
At a fatal shooting in the Bryn Mawr neighborhood of Minneapolis, Minnesota, people are moved to a safe area from the crime scene Sept. 27, 2012. (Richard Tsong–Taatarii / MCT)
Andrew Engeldinger, 36, breaks into a sign company’s offices and opens fire, killing the owner and five others before turning the gun on himself. Engeldinger had been fired from Accent Signage Systems, a small company that specializes in making interior signs that comply with the Americans With Disabilities Act, including signs in Braille for the blind.

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AUG. 5, 2012
6 killed, 3 injured: Oak Creek, Wis.
People gathered at the Khalsa Care Foundation in Pacoima, for a candle vigil, to remember the victims of the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
People gathered at the Khalsa Care Foundation in Pacoima, for a candle vigil, to remember the victims of the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting (Jay L. Clendenin / Los Angeles Times)
Wade Michael Page fatally shoots six people at a Sikh temple before he is shot by a police officer. Page, an Army veteran who was a “psychological operations specialist,” committed suicide after he was wounded.

Page was a member of a white supremacist band called End Apathy and his views led federal officials to treat the shooting as an act of domestic terrorism. He had been administratively discharged from the Army in 1998 after being demoted in rank.

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JULY 20, 2012
12 killed, 58 injured: Aurora, Colo.
An Aurora Police Department detective takes a witness statement after the shooting July 20, 2012.
An Aurora Police Department detective takes a witness statement after the shooting July 20, 2012. (AP)
James Holmes, 24, is taken into custody in the parking lot outside the Century 16 movie theater after a post-midnight attack in Aurora, Colo. Holmes allegedly entered the theater through an exit door about half an hour into the local premiere of “The Dark Knight Rises.” He faces charges of of killing 12 people and injuring 58 others.

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APRIL 2, 2012
7 killed, 3 injured: Oakland
Maria Campomanes and her daughter Maelauni, 9, leave flowers for Oikos University victims outside of the school in Oakland on April 4, 2012.
Maria Campomanes and her daughter Maelauni, 9, leave flowers for Oikos University victims outside of the school in Oakland on April 4, 2012. (Jeff Chiu / AP)
One L. Goh, 43, a former student at a Oikos University, a small Christian college, allegedly opens fire in the middle of a classroom leaving seven people dead and three wounded.

Goh was charged with seven counts of murder with special circumstances and three counts of attempted murder. In a jailhouse interview with a San Francisco TV station shortly after the shooting, Goh said he was “deeply sorry” for his actions.

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OCT. 12, 2011
8 killed, 1 injured: Seal Beach, Calif.
Mourners stop by to pay their respects at the door of Salon Meritage in Seal Beach on the morning after eight people were shot to death and a ninth wounded by suspected gunman Scott Dekraai October 13, 2011.
Mourners stop by to pay their respects at the door of Salon Meritage in Seal Beach on the morning after eight people were shot to death and a ninth wounded by suspected gunman Scott Dekraai October 13, 2011. (Mark Boster/Los Angeles Times)
Scott Dekraai, 41, apparently enraged over a custody dispute, allegedly walks into a crowded Seal Beach hair salon where his former wife works and opens fire. Eight people are killed, including a man sitting in a truck outside the salon. Another person is critically wounded. Dekraai has pleaded not guilty in the case.

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JAN. 8, 2011
6 killed, 11 injured: Tucson, Ariz.
President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama attend a memorial service for the victims of the shootings in Tucson, Ariz.
President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama attend a memorial service for the victims of the shootings in Tucson, Ariz. (J. Scott Applewhite / AP)
Jared Lee Loughner, 22, allegedly shoots Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head during a meet-and-greet with constituents at a Tucson supermarket. Six people are killed and 11 others wounded. Loughner is identified by witnesses as the gunman who fired at close range with a semiautomatic pistol before being tackled.

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AUG. 3, 2010
8 killed, 2 injured: Manchester, Conn.
Omar S. Thornton, 34, a driver for Hartford Distributors, emerges from a disciplinary hearing and begins shooting, killing eight people at the family-owned distributorship and then himself.

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FEB. 12, 2010
3 killed, 3 injured: Huntsville, Ala.
Amy Bishop 45, a neurobiologist and assistant professor at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, shoots and kills 3 people at a biology faculty meeting. Bishop is later sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

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NOV. 5, 2009
13 killed, 32 injured: Ft. Hood, Texas
Sgt. First Class Noe Figueroa waits to get back on base outside Fort Hood's Clear Creek gate in Killeen, Texas, on Nov. 5, 2009, after a mass shooting on the base.
Sgt. First Class Noe Figueroa waits to get back on base outside Fort Hood's Clear Creek gate in Killeen, Texas, on Nov. 5, 2009, after a mass shooting on the base. (Jay Janner / AP)
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, allegedly shoots and kills 13 people and injures 32 others in a rampage at Ft. Hood, where he is based. Authorities allege that Hasan was exchanging emails with Muslim extremists including American-born radical Anwar Awlaki.

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APRIL 3, 2009
13 killed, 4 injured: Binghamton, N.Y.
Mourners pray with relatives of shooting victims Lan Ho and Long Huynh outside the American Civic Association on April 5, 2009, in Binghamton, N.Y.
Mourners pray with relatives of shooting victims Lan Ho and Long Huynh outside the American Civic Association on April 5, 2009, in Binghamton, N.Y. (Matt Rourke/AP)
Jiverly Voong, 41, shoots and kills 13 people and seriously wounds four others before apparently committing suicide at the American Civic Assn., an immigration services center, in Binghamton, N.Y.

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FEB. 14, 2008
5 killed, 16 injured: Dekalb, Ill.
Mourners place flowers Feb. 15, 2008, at a memorial for the five victims of the shooting on the Northern Illinois University campus in DeKalb, Ill.
Mourners place flowers Feb. 15, 2008, at a memorial for the five victims of the shooting on the Northern Illinois University campus in DeKalb, Ill. (Associated Press)
Steven Kazmierczak, dressed all in black, steps on stage in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University and opens fire on a geology class. Five students are killed and 16 wounded before Kazmierczak kills himself on the lecture hall stage.

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DEC. 5, 2007
8 killed, 4 injured: Omaha
Terry Bradshaw, left, comforts his wife, Kim, center, and daughter Jamie, right, while they visit a memorial outside the Von Maur department store in Omaha, Neb., on Dec. 8, 2007.
Terry Bradshaw, left, comforts his wife, Kim, center, and daughter Jamie, right, while they visit a memorial outside the Von Maur department store in Omaha, Neb., on Dec. 8, 2007. (Charles Rex Arbogast / AP)
Robert Hawkins, 19, sprays an Omaha shopping mall with gunfire as holiday shoppers scatter in terror. He kills eight people and wounds four others before taking his own life. Authorities report he left several suicide notes.

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I think that's 317 or did I miss count?

Lee

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[RiggerLee 61]

Suicide rates by country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

The US is not great. It's 48th world wide. It's kind of on par with a lot of the developed countries. US 12.6 vs. Europe 11.9. It's below Finland, Sweden, Belgium, Japan, and South Korea. Above France, Germany, Australia, Switzerland. The number of people that kill them selves per capita doesn't seem to relate to guns. So if more people in say Japan kill them selves then in the US with absolutely no access to guns how can suicides performed with fire arms in the US be blamed on the guns? They did find another way. So completely removing firearms from their society did not end or reduce the suicide rate in that country. Based on this I suggest that the suicides with fire arms should not be counted among gun deaths. That's 2/3 of the "gun deaths" on average in this country.

Lee

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[billvon 2,400]

>So if more people in say Japan kill them selves then in the US with absolutely no access
>to guns how can suicides performed with fire arms in the US be blamed on the guns?

Did you read the Harvard study? That explains why.

[rushmc 18]

normiss

It's a fantastic comparison and for the first time ever, I actually appreciate his comments.
After all, ALL of those trucks require training and licensing, registration, and insurance. Their use and possession are heavily regulated. Even the contents of the trucks are documented and regulated!
Again, it's a fantastic comparison.
It's nice to see some progress in the gun control discussion with some from the far right for once.

of course the truck would be stolen.

Also
Two things
Guns are heavily regulated
Two, trucks are not constitutionally protected

Sad how your attempt falls flat........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 1,625]

RiggerLee

Seems up to date to me:



Deadliest U.S. mass shootings, 1984-2017
By LOS ANGELES TIMES STAFF
OCT. 2, 2017 5:26 P.M.

Lee

But your 2010 and 2012 data weren't, were they?

All I did was suggest you go to the FBI's UCR site to get the most current data from the most accurate source.

For some reason that led you to have a conniption.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 18]

yoink

***He may have killed more just driving a truck down the middle of the crowd

Your unprovable supposition aside, Western society would collapse without some form of personal / commercial transportation so removing them entirely isn't really an option. But we do have hundreds of laws that try to make those vehicles as safe as possible. Crumple zones, airbags, seatbelts, speed limits, tire regulations etc etc...


Neither of those things are true about guns.
Society would not collapse if every gun in the world just blinked out of existence tomorrow, and they are specifically designed to do harm (that's their purpose) so laws limiting the harm they can do would be contrary to their basic function.

I feel like you've used this argument before and have been made to look foolish each time. You have no comeback though, so just keep repeating the same thing - you're like a stuck record.

At least Lee was honest enough to say that he thinks his right to own guns is worth the continual carnage they cause and tries to find data to back up his claims. As usual, you just parrot meaningless phrases and arguments that are spoon-fed to you without any conscious thoughts of your own.
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I have been here too long because I realize that taking the time to refute the bs you and others post here along with supporting info just makes you mad and you start insulting.

Meaningless is what you want. It is now what you get.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

***It's a fantastic comparison and for the first time ever, I actually appreciate his comments.
After all, ALL of those trucks require training and licensing, registration, and insurance. Their use and possession are heavily regulated. Even the contents of the trucks are documented and regulated!
Again, it's a fantastic comparison.
It's nice to see some progress in the gun control discussion with some from the far right for once.

of course the truck would be stolen.

Also
Two things
Guns are heavily regulated
Two, trucks are not constitutionally protected

Sad how your attempt falls flat........

The Constitution doesn't prevent:

universal background checks on ALL sales,
bans on certain types of weapons,
registration,
bans on certain types of ammo,
bans on carrying in certain locations,
bans on the mentally ill or convicted criminals from owning/using guns,
etc.

See, for example, the SCOTUS ruling in Heller.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,400]

>Guns are heavily regulated

Not compared to trucks.

Do you need a license specific to the type of gun you buy? Do you need to register it? Do you need to insure it to carry it outside your home? Do you have to have your gun inspected regularly by a government-licensed shop?

I didn't think so - because trucks are heavily regulated and guns are not.

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billvon

>So if more people in say Japan kill them selves then in the US with absolutely no access
>to guns how can suicides performed with fire arms in the US be blamed on the guns?

Did you read the Harvard study? That explains why.

The Harvard study pretty clearly sums up the impact of guns on suicide in the USA. He clearly did not read it.

[RiggerLee 61]

I did read it and they admit that it does not prove a direct causality. As it happens the states are also divided along economic and rural lines. It's interesting but less then conclusive You'd almost have to filter the data to compare along income brackets for example.

Europe and the rest of the world is held up as this grand example of what we should do here in this country. Suicide rates with guns are under discussion. I'm simply saying that the US is on par with other developed countries in terms of suicide rates. If access to firearms was truly a driving factor then based on the Harvard study then you would expect other countries with no access to guns, Japan as an example to have 45% fewer suicides per capita then the US. In fact all of the first world countries are pretty equal in that regard.

Lee

Lee
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[gowlerk 1,914]

billvon

>Guns are heavily regulated

Not compared to trucks.

Do you need a license specific to the type of gun you buy? Do you need to register it? Do you need to insure it to carry it outside your home? Do you have to have your gun inspected regularly by a government-licensed shop?

I didn't think so - because trucks are heavily regulated and guns are not.

Trucks are far safer than firearms. I guess because firearms are designed to kill people and trucks are designed to move freight. About 4,000 people per year are killed in large truck accidents in the US. About 33,000 for bullets. The whole country would come to a standstill without trucks. Without guns the country would just carry on. The only difference would be far fewer grieving families.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 622]

One shoe bomber tried to blow up a plane and now we take off our shoes.
1518 mass shootings since Sandy Hook and Congress has done NOTHING.

[billvon 2,400]

>I did read it and they admit that it does not prove a direct causality.

?? Huh? No one (including that study) was claiming that "guns cause suicide." What that study showed is that guns ensure that suicide is successful the first time. In states where there is more gun ownership, suicide rate is higher because more people who attempt it are successful. And people who successfully commit suicide do not get mental-health treatment, as someone who unsuccessfully tries to kill themselves by cutting their wrists would.

Thus guns ensure that our suicide rate is higher than it would be otherwise. Guns do not cause suicide - they just vastly increase the success rate.

[millertime24 8]

Not to nitpick, but...

Do you need a license specific to the type of truck you buy?

No. You don't have to have a license to purchase a truck.

Do you need to register it?

No. As long as it stays on your property.

Do you need to insure a truck to use it outside your home?

No. As long as it stays on your property and isn't under lien.

Do you have to have your truck inspected regularly by a government-licensed shop?

Absolutely not. Not even to use it on the road.

Muff #5048

[gowlerk 1,914]

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Do you have to have your truck inspected regularly by a government-licensed shop?

Absolutely not. Not even to use it on the road.

You do if it is a commercial truck. Every 6 months.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[millertime24 8]

gowlerk

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Do you have to have your truck inspected regularly by a government-licensed shop?

Absolutely not. Not even to use it on the road.

You do if it is a commercial truck. Every 6 months.

The word "truck" was used. I drive a truck, and an inspection for my truck is not required whatsoever.

Muff #5048

[billvon 2,400]

>You don't have to have a license to purchase a truck.

I didn't say you needed a license to buy one - but you certainly do need a license to use one. Even to move it from one place to another.

To the rest of your points:

I will readily agree that if you buy a gun, have a licensed gun transporter transport it to your home, and then it never leaves there, you would not have to do any of the above to make it similar in licensing to a truck.

[millertime24 8]

billvon

>You don't have to have a license to purchase a truck.

I didn't say you needed a license to buy one - but you certainly do need a license to use one. Even to move it from one place to another.

To the rest of your points:

I will readily agree that if you buy a gun, have a licensed gun transporter transport it to your home, and then it never leaves there, you would not have to do any of the above to make it similar in licensing to a truck.

Ok. Lets turn it around a bit then. Do you have to pass a background check to buy a truck? Also, can you please show me where in the BOR is my constitutional right to buy/drive a truck? Is it illegal for me to sell a truck across state lines? Cars don't require registration to operate. Why should I be required to register a gun?

Muff #5048

[billvon 2,400]

>Do you have to pass a background check to buy a truck?

Nope. But you do need to pass a background check to get a license to drive that truck. If you drink and drive a lot, or kill people with your truck - then you lose your license. In that case you can buy a truck and look at it all you like, but if you ever try to use it and get caught, you go to jail.

>Why should I be required to register a gun?

Because people here keep drawing equivalencies between trucks and guns. Their intent is to argue "it's so easy to own a truck, why should a gun be harder if the two are similarly dangerous?" Which is a dumb argument to make IMO. But if they are making it, then registering your gun just as you register a truck makes sense under that logic.

[billvon 2,400]

Sadly the Onion is once again more insightful than most media sources:
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No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

LAS VEGAS—In the hours following a violent rampage in Las Vegas in which a lone attacker killed more than 50 individuals and seriously injured 400 others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Monday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Iowa resident Kyle Rimmels, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep these individuals from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”
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[Blacksmith311 0]

Do we even know if he purchased the weapons himself and actually got a background check on them, private transfer, stole, or straw purchase???

Seems like everyone here is all over the place and I have not found anyone that knows how they were obtained.

Also it was a matter of time before someone used a slidefire for evil reasons. They should be taken off the market.

[millertime24 8]

No. You don't "need" a license to drive a truck. Also, if I get caught using a gun inappropriately or while under the influence of alcohol or drugs I will also go to jail.

But, you don't "have" to register a truck to use it. I have a friend with a race car. Pretty damn sure it isn't registered. I have 2 unregistered vehicles. Wanna take a stab as to how many times I've been pulled over while driving either one on my land?

Muff #5048

[normiss 622]

How many children have you murdered at once in a mass shooting?

[billvon 2,400]

>No. You don't "need" a license to drive a truck.

Uh - OK. Here in the US you do.