Amazon 7 #276 July 9, 2015 RonD1120 The Rebel Battle Flag is a symbol of hate and must be removed from all public areas. However, the U.S. Flag can be stomped on, burned, dipped in urine and feces and it is just an expression of free speech. I have trouble wrapping my mind around that. You go right on ahead and treat the Stars and Bars the same way if you feel it is unfair. If free speech bothers you in any way perhaps a review of the wording of the Bill of Rights is in order.. But I do believe what we have here is a failure to understand the tenets on which this country was founded. Then again.... some folks will just take it as pc crap with them dark skinned folk ( I have seen other terms used by the good ole boys before) getting a win... and they cain't handle that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #277 July 9, 2015 RonD1120The Rebel Battle Flag is a symbol of hate and must be removed from all public areas. However, the U.S. Flag can be stomped on, burned, dipped in urine and feces and it is just an expression of free speech. I have trouble wrapping my mind around that. You're quite the spin-meister. Even now, post-recent legislative action in SC, the rebel flag may be displayed by anyone acting in their private individual capacity. It can also be worn, carried or displayed by any private individual, not only in any "public area" (your ambiguous term) like a public sidewalk, but even while on publicly-owned land - as long as it is not affixed to a public building or land. State or federal government actors forcing someone to, for example, remove a rebel flag from their clothing or vehicle while on publicly-owned land would (IMO) violate the US Constitution and (IMPO) would probably be declared as such by most any federal court. Go wear a rebel flag t-shirt into the State Capitol Building in S.C. If they force you to remove it or leave, I'll betcha the ACLU would be willing to help you fight and win in federal court, just as they helped that Nazi group secure the right to march through Skokie, IL a couple decades ago. All of that remains constitutionally-protected free speech. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #278 July 9, 2015 RonD1120The Rebel Battle Flag is a symbol of hate and must be removed from all public areas. However, the U.S. Flag can be stomped on, burned, dipped in urine and feces and it is just an expression of free speech. I have trouble wrapping my mind around that. Though this doesn't apply as a scenario of INDIVIDUAL free speech, I don't understand. But if an individual were to voluntarily take down this flag from his private property it would be just as much an expression of intent as putting it up. This is just taking it down from a public place, conducted under due process of legislature. I don't see any issue with it. If they voted to leave it up, I wouldn't either under the same rules (South C can do whatever they like for themselves and it's not my business either way) But it certainly has nothing to do with the government protecting the right of individuals to say what they wish. As for the US Flag - douchebags do things to it because they are idiots that can't express anything. But if they own their own flag, they can do as they like. What they can't do is do that to another's flag, or to publicly owned flags without permission of the owner - that's the line they can't cross. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #279 July 9, 2015 Thank youLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #280 July 9, 2015 And thank you also.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #281 July 9, 2015 RonD1120And thank you also. For your review The Pros And Cons Of Flying The Confederate Flag Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #282 July 9, 2015 From "The Onion"!!! Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #283 July 9, 2015 Best reason so far to support not taking the Confederate flag down: "It’s already all the way up there on flagpole." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #285 July 9, 2015 I like your new avatar. The previous one scared me.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #287 July 9, 2015 normissSo why is a repeat of that process so wrong to some? Because it was settled-a compromise was reached-and it's a knee jerk placebo that won't affect anything in a positive way.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #288 July 9, 2015 Pick an argument. Other than being totally misidentified-to people I know it is a regional pride symbol, not racist. So are you against it because the confederacy was pro slave (not that the northern states were heavily anti slave) so it doesn't matter that it is a positive symbol to the majority of people in the region now or because some fringe groups display it along with the US flag so it doesn't matter what it means? Personally I look at it as a design on beach towels at Myrtle Beach and on bikinis worn by girls that are probably going to be pretty easy to get around 3rd base with.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #289 July 10, 2015 futuredivotPick an argument. Other than being totally misidentified-to people I know it is a regional pride symbol, not racist. So are you against it because the confederacy was pro slave (not that the northern states were heavily anti slave) so it doesn't matter that it is a positive symbol to the majority of people in the region now or because some fringe groups display it along with the US flag so it doesn't matter what it means? Personally I look at it as a design on beach towels at Myrtle Beach and on bikinis worn by girls that are probably going to be pretty easy to get around 3rd base with. I was born and raised in the deep south. Hell, I even had a confederate flag on my wall during my high school days. Then I studied history a bit more closely. And well... the flag went in the garbage. I grew up.There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #290 July 10, 2015 Driver1 Hell, I even had a confederate flag on my wall during my high school days. Then I studied history a bit more closely. And well... the flag went in the garbage. I grew up. What made you stop hating black people in high school? I caught 30 seconds of the news a bit ago while grabbing a cup of coffee and had to laugh at the surprised tone of the newscaster showing people from opposite sides of the discussion hanging out at the state house chatting with each other. My SC (as opposed to this SC) knows that you can disagree without hate.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #291 July 10, 2015 futuredivot*** Hell, I even had a confederate flag on my wall during my high school days. Then I studied history a bit more closely. And well... the flag went in the garbage. I grew up. What made you stop hating black people in high school? I caught 30 seconds of the news a bit ago while grabbing a cup of coffee and had to laugh at the surprised tone of the newscaster showing people from opposite sides of the discussion hanging out at the state house chatting with each other. My SC (as opposed to this SC) knows that you can disagree without hate. I didn't hate blacks in high school. We had to go to school with them just like anybody else. I just didn't understand the significance of the rebel flag until after I graduated and went to college.There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #292 July 10, 2015 futuredivotPick an argument. Other than being totally misidentified-to people I know it is a regional pride symbol, not racist.. And in your world it would be fine to fly a Nazi banner in front of the Bundestag as a symbol of German pride, being the nation of Goethe, Beethoven, Brahms, Leibniz, etc. Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, right?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #293 July 10, 2015 >Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, right? The guys in the picture below were proud of what they had accomplished. Bet they weren't celebrating Hitler's SS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #294 July 10, 2015 what happens to the two protester who took down the flag couple weeks ago?Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #295 July 10, 2015 Meanwhile... Kid Rock tells flag protesters to "kiss my ass" http://www.thewrap.com/kid-rock-tells-confederate-flag-protestors-to-kiss-my-ass-video/There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #296 July 10, 2015 I can only be so responsible for other people's hang ups. It is neat the number of people that weren't offended until they were told they should be. I do wonder as a conservative, white, Christian, how many of my more liberal friends I would lose if I started treating their beliefs and morals with the EXACT level of respect that they treat mine. You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #297 July 10, 2015 stayhighwhat happens to the two protester who took down the flag couple weeks ago? Well, she was the interviewee on Larry Wilmore's show recently: http://www.cc.com/episodes/nx8vbb/the-nightly-show-july-2--2015---bree-newsome-interview---dumping-donald-trump-season-1-ep-01082"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #298 July 10, 2015 futuredivot I can only be so responsible for other people's hang ups. It is neat the number of people that weren't offended until they were told they should be. I do wonder as a conservative, white, Christian, how many of my more liberal friends I would lose if I started treating their beliefs and morals with the EXACT level of respect that they treat mine. They would say you are ignorant, prejudiced, biased, intolerant, have imaginary friends, belong to the flat earth society, to recall a few of the slanders to which I have been exposed. What I find interesting and tragic about this situation is that no one can recall the achievements of the lives lost in that church. All the focus has shifted to Southern historical observance and tradition.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #299 July 11, 2015 I think I've figured it out. The people who actively display and wave the Confederate flag identify as Confederate-Americans. I just wonder why they can't just be Americans like the rest of us (I picked your post because you have a sense of humor Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #300 July 11, 2015 Iago ***>Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, right? The guys in the picture below were proud of what they had accomplished. Bet they weren't celebrating Hitler's SS. USMC Scout Sniper unit. You know Scout Sniper / SS ? Don't you think they could have researched logo styles and created one distinctly different from the Nazis' SS? Oh wait, they're Marines... never mind. There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
