mirage62 0 #1 September 8, 2014 I got this today from a friend, truthfully I don't know if there really is a protocol for who attends a funeral, just because of rank. I'm going to try and look this up later but figured Kallend, Quade, ect, ect...would know the truth: Quote Two star Major General Harold Greene was killed in Afghanistan on August 8, 2014 while serving his country in pride for 34 years. As of 1972, he was the highest ranking officer in the military killed in action since the Vietnam war. President Obama has not mentioned anything in regards to this highly decorated soldier yet he spoke highly of Robin Williams who committed suicide. He was buried August 14 in the Arlington National Cemetary. Neither the President, Vice President, Secretary of State nor Secretary of Defense attended the funeral. President Obama was on vacation, playing golf at Martha’s Vineyard . No flags were ordered to half staff yet they were for Whitney Houston, who committed suicide. I find this very offensive and disrespectful to the veterans who have served our great country. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #2 September 8, 2014 Here's a hint: if it is too ridiculous to be true, it probably isn't. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #3 September 8, 2014 Here is the listing of all the presidential orders for the Flag at Half Staff: http://us.halfstaff.org/Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #4 September 8, 2014 Thanks, I hate when either side adds BS to a claim to make it "stronger".Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #5 September 8, 2014 Obama did not order the flags half staff, he only acknowledged the death of Whitney. He did not acknowledge the death of Chris Kyle. Also Chris Christie was the one who ordered NJ flags at half staff for Whitney Houston. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #6 September 8, 2014 We discussed this about a month ago in this thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4663096#4663096 Quote Lefties debunk As if there's an obligation to reply to the shit that flies around in the viral right-wing nutbag blogosphere. I don't think so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,053 #7 September 8, 2014 Everything else aside... Neither the President, Vice President, Secretary of State nor Secretary of Defense attended the funeral!!!!!!Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #8 September 8, 2014 What's the cutoff for when the NCA has to show up at a funeral? Obviously it's below 2 stars. Is it one star? O-5? What? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #9 September 8, 2014 It is likely they are trying to distance themselves . . . Out of sight - out of mind. QuoteOn August 5, 2014, Greene was killed after being shot in the back of the head by an Afghan soldier with an M16 rifle at Camp Qargha's Marshal Fahim National Defense University in Kabul, Afghanistan.[24][25] He had been making a routine visit to a training facility at the time.[26] Fourteen NATO and Afghan servicemembers were wounded in the attack,[27] including Brigadier General Michael Bartscher of the German Bundeswehr, two Afghan generals and another Afghan officer, eight Americans, and two British soldiers.[27][28] On the morning of August 7, 2014, Greene's body arrived at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.[29][30][31] Greene was buried in Arlington National Cemetery on August 14, 2014. [32] - wiki It seems to me that, like Benghazi, there was a lack of security. They just don't want to acknowledge it, and maybe it will go away. Head in the sand and all that. OR It is also likely that they despise the military and want nothing to do with it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #10 September 8, 2014 >It is also likely that they despise the military and want nothing to do with it. Yeah, that's probably it. Or they hate white people. Or they hate families. Go with families; it will get more traction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #11 September 8, 2014 billvon>It is also likely that they despise the military and want nothing to do with it. Yeah, that's probably it. Or they hate white people. Or they hate families. Go with families; it will get more traction. A swing and a miss, Bill. They hate America. That's obviously it.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,053 #12 September 8, 2014 DanGWhat's the cutoff for when the NCA has to show up at a funeral? Obviously it's below 2 stars. Is it one star? O-5? What? OK. I'll play your bullshit game. How about everyone that died serving their country instead of 100 Million dollar vacations in Africa. What the fuck kinda question is that? You trying to deflect that the highest ranking officer of this war shouldn't have had its Commander-in-Chief present instead of staying on vacation?!?!?!? Bullshit. Leadership FAIL Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #13 September 8, 2014 >They hate America. That's obviously it. I thought they hated freedom. Is there some sort of master list of all the good things that Obama and company hates? Sort of a right wing FAH? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #14 September 8, 2014 BIGUN***What's the cutoff for when the NCA has to show up at a funeral? Obviously it's below 2 stars. Is it one star? O-5? What? OK. I'll play your bullshit game. How about everyone that died serving their country instead of 100 Million dollar vacations in Africa. What the fuck kinda question is that? You trying to deflect that the highest ranking officer of this war shouldn't have had its Commander-in-Chief present instead of staying on vacation?!?!?!? Bullshit. Leadership FAIL Barry sure managed to get some dignitaries to the Michael Brown funeral. You libs keep trying to pick up this turd of a president by the clean end.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #15 September 8, 2014 airdvr******What's the cutoff for when the NCA has to show up at a funeral? Obviously it's below 2 stars. Is it one star? O-5? What? OK. I'll play your bullshit game. How about everyone that died serving their country instead of 100 Million dollar vacations in Africa. What the fuck kinda question is that? You trying to deflect that the highest ranking officer of this war shouldn't have had its Commander-in-Chief present instead of staying on vacation?!?!?!? Bullshit. Leadership FAIL Barry sure managed to get some dignitaries to the Michael Brown funeral. You libs keep trying to pick up this turd of a president by the clean end. And you first-class geniuses can't even be bothered to do research beyond the viral wing-nut blogosphere, or you'd know that THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE attended General Greene's funeral. Sorry that the Cabinet Secretary to whom the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff co-reports is too low-ranking for you. I see literally thousands of viral posts comparing the Michael Brown funeral with the General Greene funeral. What a bunch of stupid assholes, marching in lockstep to repeat the mantras they've been programmed to repeat. Stupid, stupid assholes. You guys really need to pull your heads out of it and stop embarrassing yourselves with such desperation tactics. http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/greene.asp The other bullshit in the OP are debunked in the above link, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #16 September 8, 2014 It's a conscious strategy on the right-wing nut-case side. They know a lot of people will not read past the headlines and know even far fewer will go to any trouble whatsoever to check out the facts. Meanwhile, they get clicks and reposts from the far right-wing "true believers."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #17 September 8, 2014 Hi BIGUN, Quote Leadership FAIL Did G W Bush attend the funeral(s) of any service member while he was in office? I do not know. However, I do think it should be part of this type of discussion. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #18 September 8, 2014 JerryBaumchenHi BIGUN, Quote Leadership FAIL Did G W Bush attend the funeral(s) of any service member while he was in office? I do not know. However, I do think it should be part of this type of discussion. JerryBaumchen Apparently dead generals are more dead than dead sergeants or dead privates.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #19 September 8, 2014 QuoteOK. I'll play your bullshit game. How about everyone that died serving their country instead of 100 Million dollar vacations in Africa. What the fuck kinda question is that? You trying to deflect that the highest ranking officer of this war shouldn't have had its Commander-in-Chief present instead of staying on vacation?!?!?!? Bullshit. Leadership FAIL Fucking really? The President should attend the funeral of every soldier killed overseas? Give me a fucking break. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greene 0 #20 September 8, 2014 You are a very bright person! This post from you is one of the most ridiculous post we have ever seen you write. Some of your post are questionable, but this is the worst ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #21 September 9, 2014 GreeneYou are a very bright person! This post from you is one of the most ridiculous post we have ever seen you write. Some of your post are questionable, but this is the worst ! Which of the two Greenes is speaking right now?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,053 #22 September 9, 2014 DanGQuoteOK. I'll play your bullshit game. How about everyone that died serving their country instead of 100 Million dollar vacations in Africa. What the fuck kinda question is that? You trying to deflect that the highest ranking officer of this war shouldn't have had its Commander-in-Chief present instead of staying on vacation?!?!?!? Bullshit. Leadership FAIL Fucking really? The President should attend the funeral of every soldier killed overseas? Give me a fucking break. No. Not really, I told you it was a bullshit game when you tried deflecting it. But, the spirit of it is something Lefties have been touting since Vietnam. And, think about it... If both sides held the leadership to a higher standard of standing there and having to salute several of those THEY placed in harm's way... Maybe we wouldn't [have] any bullshit ten year wars.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #23 September 9, 2014 JerryBaumchenHi BIGUN, Quote Leadership FAIL Did G W Bush attend the funeral(s) of any service member while he was in office? I do not know. However, I do think it should be part of this type of discussion. JerryBaumchen He did.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #24 September 9, 2014 turtlespeed***Hi BIGUN, Quote Leadership FAIL Did G W Bush attend the funeral(s) of any service member while he was in office? I do not know. However, I do think it should be part of this type of discussion. JerryBaumchen He did. Whose? My Google-fu (which is hardly perfect) hasn't turned up any. It did, however, turn up this reference (in several links) to a 2006 Stars & Stripes interview in which he acknowledged & explained why, to that date he had not attended any such funerals: QuoteIn a July 2006 interview with the military newspaper Stars and Stripes, President Bush explained that since he could not possibly attend the funeral of every fallen U.S. soldier, he felt it was more appropriate to express his appreciation privately to service members' families rather than singling out one soldier (or a few soldiers) to honor with public funereal attendance by the president: In an exclusive interview, Bush sat down with Stars and Stripes to answer questions solicited from U.S. troops now downrange, including the one asking whether he had ever attended a slain soldier's funeral. President Bush has met hundreds of families of fallen soldiers, but he has yet to attend a servicemember's funeral, he said. "Because which funeral do you go to? In my judgment, I think if I go to one I should go to all. How do you honor one person but not another?" he said. The appropriate way to express his appreciation to the family members of fallen troops is to meet with them in private, he said. Seems quite reasonable. For balance sake, here's a rare positive-spin article in 2009 from the uber-conservative Washington Times about touching personal letters of condolences Pres. Obama has written to the families of fallen servicemembers: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/17/obama-pens-real-notes-to-fallen-troops-families/?page=all Quote Mr. Obama personalizes each letter, asking staffers to gather details about the service member, such as their hometown and where they were stationed, a White House aide said. The letters are sent to parents and spouses, and sometimes children of the fallen troops. The president writes the notes by hand, then the letters are typed before he adds his signature. Mr. Obama wrote the first few letters for troops who died in Iraq and Afghanistan while George W. Bush was president, and has written at least a dozen more since taking office. The president told NBC News that the duty falls to him, though he did not initiate the wars and opposed the invasion of Iraq. In those moments of signing the letters, he said, “you realize every decision you make counts.” The White House declined to release any of the private letters or the names of families who received them, but The Times spoke with some who shared the contents of their letters. Cpl. Brennan, 25, was supporting combat operations in Afghanistan’s Farah province when he was killed last month. Ms. Merz said the president’s letter to her family in honor of her son was “lovely” and added, “It is meaningful to have Julian’s death noted personally by him.” We all have so much POLICY to debate about. All this ad-hominem mud-slinging makes everyone look disgraceful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #25 September 10, 2014 turtlespeed***Hi BIGUN, Quote Leadership FAIL Did G W Bush attend the funeral(s) of any service member while he was in office? I do not know. However, I do think it should be part of this type of discussion. JerryBaumchen He did. Fail. Just admit it.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites