winsor 186 #51 April 24, 2014 jclalor***Preventing citizens their constitutional rights is worse. I don't understand why so many people dislike the freedom they chose to live in. Some would say that living in a society that is armed to the teeth is really no freedom at all. I never understood where the right to a "well regulated militia" transformed into arming every single swinging dick walking down the street. One thing is for sure, you can never go wrong when it comes to fear mongering, The gun industry and the NRA are laughing all the way to the bank. Gee whiz, you sure show a clear understanding of advanced civilizations like Switzerland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #52 April 24, 2014 winsor******Preventing citizens their constitutional rights is worse. I don't understand why so many people dislike the freedom they chose to live in. Some would say that living in a society that is armed to the teeth is really no freedom at all. I never understood where the right to a "well regulated militia" transformed into arming every single swinging dick walking down the street. One thing is for sure, you can never go wrong when it comes to fear mongering, The gun industry and the NRA are laughing all the way to the bank. Gee whiz, you sure show a clear understanding of advanced civilizations like Switzerland. Winsor, under what conditions do the citizens of Switzerland have their guns? Don't they have to be registered and the ammunition accounted for? Don't they have to have training and maintain a certain level of marksmanship? Aren't they actually a well regulated militia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland Now, if you want to advocate all of that for the US -- GO FOR IT. But if you're not, then you're making a pretty blatant false equivalency.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #53 April 24, 2014 winsor******Preventing citizens their constitutional rights is worse. I don't understand why so many people dislike the freedom they chose to live in. Some would say that living in a society that is armed to the teeth is really no freedom at all. I never understood where the right to a "well regulated militia" transformed into arming every single swinging dick walking down the street. One thing is for sure, you can never go wrong when it comes to fear mongering, The gun industry and the NRA are laughing all the way to the bank. Gee whiz, you sure show a clear understanding of advanced civilizations like Switzerland. Evidently a little better than your understanding. The vast majority of Swiss government issued firearms are not issued with ammunition, only a couple of thousand reservist, who will be stationed at airports durning national emergencies are issued ammunition to keep at home. It is also very difficult to get a CC permit, one must have a clean background and show a very clear security reason why it's needed. That's just a little different, don't ya think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #54 April 24, 2014 jclalor*********Preventing citizens their constitutional rights is worse. I don't understand why so many people dislike the freedom they chose to live in. Some would say that living in a society that is armed to the teeth is really no freedom at all. I never understood where the right to a "well regulated militia" transformed into arming every single swinging dick walking down the street. One thing is for sure, you can never go wrong when it comes to fear mongering, The gun industry and the NRA are laughing all the way to the bank. Gee whiz, you sure show a clear understanding of advanced civilizations like Switzerland. Evidently a little better than your understanding. The vast majority of Swiss government issued firearms are not issued with ammunition, only a couple of thousand reservist, who will be stationed at airports durning national emergencies are issued ammunition to keep at home. It is also very difficult to get a CC permit, one must have a clean background and show a very clear security reason why it's needed. That's just a little different, don't ya think? Was that the way it was when you lived there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #55 April 24, 2014 winsor************Preventing citizens their constitutional rights is worse. I don't understand why so many people dislike the freedom they chose to live in. Some would say that living in a society that is armed to the teeth is really no freedom at all. I never understood where the right to a "well regulated militia" transformed into arming every single swinging dick walking down the street. One thing is for sure, you can never go wrong when it comes to fear mongering, The gun industry and the NRA are laughing all the way to the bank. Gee whiz, you sure show a clear understanding of advanced civilizations like Switzerland. Evidently a little better than your understanding. The vast majority of Swiss government issued firearms are not issued with ammunition, only a couple of thousand reservist, who will be stationed at airports durning national emergencies are issued ammunition to keep at home. It is also very difficult to get a CC permit, one must have a clean background and show a very clear security reason why it's needed. That's just a little different, don't ya think? Y Was that the way it was when you lived there? Perhaps you could provide some evidence, outside of your anecdotal evidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #56 April 24, 2014 winsor******Preventing citizens their constitutional rights is worse. I don't understand why so many people dislike the freedom they chose to live in. Some would say that living in a society that is armed to the teeth is really no freedom at all. I never understood where the right to a "well regulated militia" transformed into arming every single swinging dick walking down the street. One thing is for sure, you can never go wrong when it comes to fear mongering, The gun industry and the NRA are laughing all the way to the bank. Gee whiz, you sure show a clear understanding of advanced civilizations like Switzerland. I think the Swiss have an EXCEEDINGLY over regulated militia. Service to country is something they believe in... that is not something that has been exhibited on a very large scale in this country for over 100 years. Men used to sign up for military services because that is what MEN did... those who chose not to... were cowards and treated by the general populace as such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #57 April 24, 2014 jclalor***Preventing citizens their constitutional rights is worse. I don't understand why so many people dislike the freedom they chose to live in. Some would say that living in a society that is armed to the teeth is really no freedom at all. I never understood where the right to a "well regulated militia" transformed into arming every single swinging dick walking down the street. One thing is for sure, you can never go wrong when it comes to fear mongering, The gun industry and the NRA are laughing all the way to the bank. the "well regulated militia" IS the people As confirned by reading the federalist papers AND by the US Supreme Court the fear mongering is from the blood in the steets crowd Who's predictions have to yet see validation..... anywhere!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #58 April 24, 2014 Coreece *********WOO HOO..... Open human season in GA.... Ya Just like all the other statesYour predictions will fail miserably (just like the AGW alarmists) Fun huh......What is the death toll so far in Florida since the enactment of Stand your ground after instigating an incident... seems like open season on people of color.. but since Florida is the home of the Rosewood Massacre.... It is just tradition. Open season on black people in Chicago is year round with no bag limit despite some of the strictest gun laws in the country, but apparently only other black people can get a license... Thomas Jefferson had this to say, "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #59 April 24, 2014 Quote I hear they passed a pro-cheese law in Wisconsin. Shocking. Did you understand it? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #60 April 24, 2014 Quote Oh - and hold my beer and watch this. If it's not on video, it didn't happen. That's my understanding... We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #61 April 24, 2014 toolbox This should happen in the other 49 states. I wish concealed carry permits would be made reciprocating between all the states as well. At our last gun club meeting our state representative and a local sheriff agreed, that is our next legislative goal.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #62 April 24, 2014 Quote the worry is that those in power will abuse it and make the training so expensive or complicated or impossible that it would amount to a de-facto ban on the 2nd I live in Westchester County, NY. You must take a 6 month course to own a hand gun here (target license, ...forget about carry here). It takes you at least 6 months just to get into the course... And, then, the LOHUD Journal news gets to publish your home address. Oh, and then there is the Castle Doctrine... If you can escape your house (with your family), you must do so. If you kill the intruder, you are subject to not only civil suits, but also, country prosecutors coming at you. Minimum $50K, assuming you survive the encounter.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #63 April 24, 2014 AmazonI think the Swiss have an EXCEEDINGLY over regulated militia. Service to country is something they believe in... that is not something that has been exhibited on a very large scale in this country for over 100 years. Men used to sign up for military services because that is what MEN did... those who chose not to... were cowards and treated by the general populace as such. I think it would be best for the USA to return to that mindset.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #64 April 24, 2014 Amazon Service to country is something they believe in... that is not something that has been exhibited on a very large scale in this country for over 100 years. Men used to sign up for military services because that is what MEN did... those who chose not to... were cowards and treated by the general populace as such. So . . . Reagan? In all seriousness though, while it would be awesome for the unemployment rate to have every person (not just men) in government service from age 18 to 24 (or some other arbitrary number), it would also be incredibly expensive and cause taxes to skyrocket. There's also the issue of freedom vs involuntary servitude as well as an "each according to his abilities" sort of thing. What do they call that form of government? Socialist? Communist? Now, if you're simply talking about the opportunity to sign up, that already exists although only for military programs. Some people morally disagree with being the direct cause of other people's death. If you wanted to employ those people to be photographers, writers, artists or construction workers building highways like in the old WPA programs, I'm all for that too. I just don't expect our friends on the right to go for the tax bill so I don't see that happening any time soon.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #65 April 24, 2014 QuoteI live in Westchester County, NY. You must take a 6 month course to own a hand gun here (target license, ...forget about carry here). It takes you at least 6 months just to get into the course... And, then, the LOHUD Journal news gets to publish your home address. Oh, and then there is the Castle Doctrine... If you can escape your house (with your family), you must do so. If you kill the intruder, you are subject to not only civil suits, but also, country prosecutors coming at you. Minimum $50K, assuming you survive the encounter. I live in Georgia. You must take a 0 minute course to own a hand gun here. It takes you at least 0 seconds to get into the course, because there is no course. No-one gets to publish your home address, because no-one knows it as no records are kept. Oh, and then there is the Castle Doctrine, which in Georgia means you can kill anyone who wanders onto your property, whether or not they are an actual threat. Minimum $0, and no prosecutors will be coming after you. Just remember to say "I felt threatened". How much will this new law change things? I don't really know, as Georgia already had some of the most "liberal" (not in the political sense) gun laws in the country. I guess we will see. Here is an opinion piece written by a Georgia police chief, which points out some interesting consequences (intended or not) of the law. It's interesting that the police can now be sued for just asking someone if they have a permit to carry a gun. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #66 April 24, 2014 BillyVanceNice. Expect violent crime in GA to decrease by a large percentage, or at least more violent-minded criminals get shot dead or wounded trying to commit a crime. If I see that, combined with a decrease or at least no rise in gun-related familial shootings / public shootings then that would soften my opinion on guns. As an aside - how does that bill define 'violent crime?' If I punch you are you legally allowed to shoot me? What if I scratch you? What if I slap you? etc etc... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #67 April 24, 2014 GeorgiaDonQuote Oh, and then there is the Castle Doctrine, which in Georgia means you can kill anyone who wanders onto your property, whether or not they are an actual threat. Minimum $0, and no prosecutors will be coming after you. Just remember to say "I felt threatened". Does that not seem WRONG to you? I've been out hiking and gotten lost before and have found myself walking through someone's property before I could ask for directions. I was out groundlaunching a number of years ago when one of our party hurt themselves and we had to try to find help... The idea that I might be SHOT by some paranoid person for an accident or asking for help is terrifying. *Mental note - never go to Georgia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yoink 321 #68 April 24, 2014 RonD1120 *** This should happen in the other 49 states. I wish concealed carry permits would be made reciprocating between all the states as well. At our last gun club meeting our state representative and a local sheriff agreed, that is our next legislative goal. Only if the requirements for attaining said permits are common across all states. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites toolbox 0 #69 April 24, 2014 >You must take a 0 minute course to own a hand gun here. Same here in Washington state. You fill out a form asking about prior convictions,domestic violence,mental health issues,restraining orders,ect,then they fingerprint you to go along with the background check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #70 April 25, 2014 GeorgiaDonI live in Georgia. You must take a 0 minute course to own a hand gun here. It takes you at least 0 seconds to get into the course, because there is no course. No-one gets to publish your home address, because no-one knows it as no records are kept. this all looks right to me. It's not rocket science, and it's not the public's business (or best interest) to publish such records. Here is an opinion piece written by a Georgia police chief, which points out some interesting consequences (intended or not) of the law. It's interesting that the police can now be sued for just asking someone if they have a permit to carry a gun. Well, people can routinely file cases (sue) for any reason at all. Actually winning is a different matter. Perhaps it's fair turnabout for decades of disruptive 'common sense' legislation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Boomerdog 0 #71 April 25, 2014 QuoteIt's interesting that the police can now be sued for just asking someone if they have a permit to carry a gun. 'bout damn time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 58 #72 April 25, 2014 yoink ****** This should happen in the other 49 states. I wish concealed carry permits would be made reciprocating between all the states as well. At our last gun club meeting our state representative and a local sheriff agreed, that is our next legislative goal. Only if the requirements for attaining said permits are common across all states. It is my understanding that agreements of reciprocity are a separate issue. Example, if I have a concealed permit in one state and I am travelling to another state with an agreement of reciprocity, why should I be restricted from travelling across a state without such an agreement? Another point, GA is not overwhelmed with accidental shootings. The Alzheimer's case is tragic but it is an isolated case. As a conservative Libertarian, I see absolutely no reason to make broad sweeping laws to cover isolated incidents/accidents. In my area HB60 changes nothing except that we can legally carry in areas where we were already carrying. The key word being concealed. In other words, if you weren't paranoid about being in GA before, there is no reason to be paranoid now.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Southern_Man 0 #73 April 25, 2014 RonD1120 In my area HB60 changes nothing except that we can legally carry in areas where we were already carrying. So you admit to carrying illegally"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #74 April 25, 2014 I've known many people to weave around this issue. It's pretty rough in some biker bars here in FL. Carrying concealed is almost a given....just don't do it WITH having your CC permit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 18 #75 April 25, 2014 Southern_Man*** In my area HB60 changes nothing except that we can legally carry in areas where we were already carrying. So you admit to carrying illegally Here is iowa you might be able to spin this they nutty way you did the example is that local governments and judges have tried to ban or stop carrying in their offices They post the signs and try to enforce this they are not allowed to do this under state law but yet they try you need to make comments about the illelgal actions of the county and city governments as well...... correct?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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yoink 321 #68 April 24, 2014 RonD1120 *** This should happen in the other 49 states. I wish concealed carry permits would be made reciprocating between all the states as well. At our last gun club meeting our state representative and a local sheriff agreed, that is our next legislative goal. Only if the requirements for attaining said permits are common across all states. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #69 April 24, 2014 >You must take a 0 minute course to own a hand gun here. Same here in Washington state. You fill out a form asking about prior convictions,domestic violence,mental health issues,restraining orders,ect,then they fingerprint you to go along with the background check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #70 April 25, 2014 GeorgiaDonI live in Georgia. You must take a 0 minute course to own a hand gun here. It takes you at least 0 seconds to get into the course, because there is no course. No-one gets to publish your home address, because no-one knows it as no records are kept. this all looks right to me. It's not rocket science, and it's not the public's business (or best interest) to publish such records. Here is an opinion piece written by a Georgia police chief, which points out some interesting consequences (intended or not) of the law. It's interesting that the police can now be sued for just asking someone if they have a permit to carry a gun. Well, people can routinely file cases (sue) for any reason at all. Actually winning is a different matter. Perhaps it's fair turnabout for decades of disruptive 'common sense' legislation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #71 April 25, 2014 QuoteIt's interesting that the police can now be sued for just asking someone if they have a permit to carry a gun. 'bout damn time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #72 April 25, 2014 yoink ****** This should happen in the other 49 states. I wish concealed carry permits would be made reciprocating between all the states as well. At our last gun club meeting our state representative and a local sheriff agreed, that is our next legislative goal. Only if the requirements for attaining said permits are common across all states. It is my understanding that agreements of reciprocity are a separate issue. Example, if I have a concealed permit in one state and I am travelling to another state with an agreement of reciprocity, why should I be restricted from travelling across a state without such an agreement? Another point, GA is not overwhelmed with accidental shootings. The Alzheimer's case is tragic but it is an isolated case. As a conservative Libertarian, I see absolutely no reason to make broad sweeping laws to cover isolated incidents/accidents. In my area HB60 changes nothing except that we can legally carry in areas where we were already carrying. The key word being concealed. In other words, if you weren't paranoid about being in GA before, there is no reason to be paranoid now.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #73 April 25, 2014 RonD1120 In my area HB60 changes nothing except that we can legally carry in areas where we were already carrying. So you admit to carrying illegally"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #74 April 25, 2014 I've known many people to weave around this issue. It's pretty rough in some biker bars here in FL. Carrying concealed is almost a given....just don't do it WITH having your CC permit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #75 April 25, 2014 Southern_Man*** In my area HB60 changes nothing except that we can legally carry in areas where we were already carrying. So you admit to carrying illegally Here is iowa you might be able to spin this they nutty way you did the example is that local governments and judges have tried to ban or stop carrying in their offices They post the signs and try to enforce this they are not allowed to do this under state law but yet they try you need to make comments about the illelgal actions of the county and city governments as well...... correct?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
