bakerjan 0 #1 February 12, 2014 The adjunct noun modifier. or as Darwin would say, never mind, LOL. Jan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #2 February 12, 2014 It appears as though you base your beliefs and opinions on being against what "liberals believe" rather than on your own thought processes and/or deductions. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #3 February 12, 2014 bakerjan or as Darwin would say, never mind, LOL. Jan Fun (well, quite sadly funny) stuff here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #4 February 12, 2014 bakerjanThe adjunct noun modifier. or as Darwin would say, never mind, LOL. Jan Wow. So much intellectual (and I use that word very loosely) dishonesty in that article it's hard to know where to begin. But I will start with: The source of reference material does matter.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 227 #5 February 12, 2014 bakerjanThe adjunct noun modifier. or as Darwin would say, never mind, LOL. Jan For someone to espouse the Phlogiston or Caloric or Ether theories would be more easily defensible than "Creation Theory." The existence of people who adhere to such claptrap is certain proof of Taylor Caldwell's observation that "5% of the population think, 5% think they think and 90% would sooner die than think." If anything, I suspect she was optimistic. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #6 February 12, 2014 Stumpy***The adjunct noun modifier. or as Darwin would say, never mind, LOL. Jan Wow. So much intellectual (and I use that word very loosely) dishonesty in that article it's hard to know where to begin. But I will start with: The source of reference material does matter. Its great how he quotes Stephen Jay Gould of Harvard as saying "extremely rare". then claims that is Harvard speak for zero. such a sad stretch to get what you want out of a very clear statement. if anyone would like to read a great book about this sort of thing from a truly great man, Dr Gould, read this. 1989. Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History, New York: W. W. Norton, ISBN 0-393-02705-8. 347 pp. He is very funny and its not a dry read at all. I know its hard to believe that you will laugh reading about fossils but its true, i promise. It became clear to me the guy had a sense of humor when he appeared on the Simpsons as himself and made me laugh out loud. find that episode too. its worth it."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #7 February 12, 2014 bakerjanThe adjunct noun modifier. or as Darwin would say, never mind, LOL. Jan IMO, the former will guide through crisis while the latter only enhances crisis. To the believer is faith. To the remainder is mood altering substances.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 February 12, 2014 1st is mythology and thus only good for entertainment .. but really, just a waste of 'Space'. 2nd is a work in progress. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #9 February 12, 2014 Ah well, here's the thing about the ID people; I'm a (mad) computer scientist. One of the recent trends in computer learning is genetic programming, where you have traits in code and you put a bunch of programs in an environment with a selection criteria and the ones that perform above a certain threshold get to "breed" and pass their traits on to the next generation, possibly with random mutations. If I particularly cared about the design of the universe, I really wouldn't want to exist in that kind of universe, because as a computer scientist I don't give two shits about any of the individual programs in any of the generations until the simulation arrives at "The One." One perfect individual according to my criteria will be saved. And it doesn't get a life of luxury, no. I dissect it and put the algorithm it arrived at to work doing whatever I was selecting for. If you buy into the ID philosophy, the only reasonable conclusion you could arrive at, if you think about it, is that God is a guy like me, with a REALLY big simulation which will get shut down the minute whatever the selection criteria humanity is working toward is met to the standard that he's looking for. That would be really, really bad for everyone involved.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #10 February 12, 2014 What's the difference? Science.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #11 February 12, 2014 RonD1120IMO, the former will guide through crisis while the latter only enhances crisis. To the believer is faith. To the remainder is mood altering substances. Creationism guides you through crisis? How does that work? And what is it you find disturbing about evolution?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #12 February 12, 2014 jakee***IMO, the former will guide through crisis while the latter only enhances crisis. To the believer is faith. To the remainder is mood altering substances. Creationism guides you through crisis? How does that work? And what is it you find disturbing about evolution? First question is answered in my post. Answer to second question, no recognition of God as heavenly father.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #14 February 12, 2014 Do you think it would be possible to arrive, today, at the same theory of creation without having been exposed to the writings or teachings of the bible? Do you think it would be possible to arrive, today, at the same theory of evolution without having been exposed to to the writings or teachings of Darwin et al? That's the difference between creation theory and evolution theory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #15 February 12, 2014 QuoteFirst question is answered in my post. No it isn't. How does Creationism guide you through crisis? QuoteAnswer to second question, no recognition of God as heavenly father. Why should there be? It's a completely different topic. The owner's manual to your car doesn't recognise God as the heavenly father but knowing how to change your own oil isn't an enhancement of crises, is it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #16 February 13, 2014 FlyingRhenquestAh well, here's the thing about the ID people; I'm a (mad) computer scientist. One of the recent trends in computer learning is genetic programming, where you have traits in code and you put a bunch of programs in an environment with a selection criteria and the ones that perform above a certain threshold get to "breed" and pass their traits on to the next generation, possibly with random mutations. If I particularly cared about the design of the universe, I really wouldn't want to exist in that kind of universe, because as a computer scientist I don't give two shits about any of the individual programs in any of the generations until the simulation arrives at "The One." One perfect individual according to my criteria will be saved. And it doesn't get a life of luxury, no. I dissect it and put the algorithm it arrived at to work doing whatever I was selecting for. If you buy into the ID philosophy, the only reasonable conclusion you could arrive at, if you think about it, is that God is a guy like me, with a REALLY big simulation which will get shut down the minute whatever the selection criteria humanity is working toward is met to the standard that he's looking for. That would be really, really bad for everyone involved. ID has no selective criteria and no predictive ability. It is really just a God of the Gaps theology. Poor science and poor religion."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #17 February 14, 2014 It's the difference between getting your prize bull from a breeder or praying for it and having it appear in the field the next morning.You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 27 #18 February 14, 2014 BerttIt's the difference between getting your prize bull from a breeder or praying for it and having it appear in the field the next morning. Speaking of bull....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #19 February 14, 2014 I used to be all messed up on drugs. Now I am all messed up on the Lord... Cheech and Chong's best explanation for the folks like Ron. Living your life based on a book of fables that is few thousand years old is pretty weird. Then again, a good summation of the human condition is - Hairless apes are weird. Are you still luxuriating in the benefits of Socialism, Ron? Social Security and Medicare are the two most Socialistic programs adminstereed by the US Government. As you and your "tribe" are adamantly opposed to Socialism, one would expect you to sacrifice your wallet for your beliefs. Not doing so make you a hypocrite of the highest order. I won't even start on the lack of ethics and morals of this behaviour. Carry on... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #20 February 15, 2014 How so much bullshit can be packed into such a small article is beyond me. This writer has obviously, painfully obviously, never sat through BIO 101 or MICRO 101. Shit like this is why I agree with Dawkins et, al. that creationists should never be debated.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #21 February 15, 2014 funjumper101I used to be all messed up on drugs. Now I am all messed up on the Lord... Cheech and Chong's best explanation for the folks like Ron. Living your life based on a book of fables that is few thousand years old is pretty weird. Then again, a good summation of the human condition is - Hairless apes are weird. Are you still luxuriating in the benefits of Socialism, Ron? Social Security and Medicare are the two most Socialistic programs adminstereed by the US Government. As you and your "tribe" are adamantly opposed to Socialism, one would expect you to sacrifice your wallet for your beliefs. Not doing so make you a hypocrite of the highest order. I won't even start on the lack of ethics and morals of this behaviour. Carry on... I see you are still overwhelmed with anger. In the counseling world anger and fear are dealt with as a psychological unit leading to a possibility of depression and guilt. In the body of Christ some believe that unresolved deep seated anger leads to the development of physiological disease such as cancer. Seek Jesus Christ, seek wisdom, seek peace. May your weekend be better for you and yours.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 February 15, 2014 RonD1120In the body of Christ some believe that unresolved deep seated anger leads to the development of physiological disease such as cancer. Well, those people are delusional.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #23 February 15, 2014 So while we're on the subject, I'm curious about something. The Bible says God created man in His image, and Bible believers don't like Darwin's theory of evolution. The Bible also says God said "Let there be light" and there was light, but I've never heard a Bible believer raise an objection to Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism. What's the difference ?You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #24 February 15, 2014 quade***In the body of Christ some believe that unresolved deep seated anger leads to the development of physiological disease such as cancer. Well, those people are delusional. What is your approach to relieving deep seated anger?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 355 #25 February 15, 2014 RonD1120******In the body of Christ some believe that unresolved deep seated anger leads to the development of physiological disease such as cancer. Well, those people are delusional. What is your approach to relieving deep seated anger?What is your evidence that anger causes cancer? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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