Do you have healthcare currently? What is your view on the bill?

[Andy9o8 0]

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That's like paying county taxes for a local school then be told you make too much money you have to send your kids to private school.

More like paying taxes for the community's roads and public schools even though you don't own a car or have kids.

No, wait, wait! - More like paying communal warp drive fees even though you almost never travel off-world. Yes, that's a much better analogy.

[Anvilbrother 0]

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It's unlikely that you have never received any so-called handout. Unemployment, etc.

Nope have held a full time job with the same employer since I was 17.

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My HC is free because I haven't had it for 10 years. I work fucking hard and I will have it soon. I don't make near min wage, so your inferrence that I get access is as foolish as the rest of your whining drool.

Tell me why have you not had HC in your own for the last 10 years?

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And my taxes have to pay for your war, your fucking kids (or someone's in my state) to go to school. See, everyone has a draw, just that guys like yiouy want to limit the draws to only things you like.

See but these are things that directly affect your quality of life that you could NOT do on your own. If it were not for the military you would be having your ass handed to you right now by a number of govt, or terrorist org. Education is very important for an individual's success in life. Education provides pupils teaching skills that prepare them physically, mentally and socially for the world of work in later life. Education is generally seen as the foundation of society which brings economic wealth, social prosperity and political stability. There is no way we as a nation can do this to the level we are today without public funding. Without it everyone would be schooled at home, the nation as a whole at a lower development level, wages lower, quality of living lower, think Nigeria. So once again you BENIFIT from this by having a nation with smarter people improving the strength, economy, and quality of life for the country you live in.

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You don't have to pay taxes? Also, this law is basically just HMO reform, allowing per-existers. No public option, no single payer.

Yes I pay a shit load of taxes, about 45,000 a year in taxes! Thats why its BS that I have to spend more for other people that failed to get it on their own. I dont mind helping granny, or someone with a special needs kid, but the 90% of the rest of you that are too lazy, or did not put their priorities in order you should be on your own, not sucking at the teet of the rest of us while the Govt. takes one more step closer to owning your asses for all your worth. Meaning if you depend on them so much for everything you have, and they say jump and you dont jump high enough your life is down the shitter!

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If you looked up the definition of stealing you would be embarrassed, even as a metaphor

Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: \ˈstēl\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \ˈstōl\; sto·len \ˈstō-lən\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
Date: before 12th century
intransitive verb
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice

Property-My hard earned dollars

Wrongfully-Like when the govt shoved something down our throat when majority of voters did not want this, but our representation went ahead and did what they wanted.

Sounds just like what I said now doesn't it

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[TankBuster 0]

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Inspired by the thread below. Interesting idea on who actually wants government run healthcare... Honesty in the poll is, as always, appreciated.

There's a difference between healthcare and health insurance.
Yes, I have healthcare insurance, it's a very good plan, (given the current state of government intrusion) and the same policy is part of my employee's compensation package. It's where we contract with a private company to cover the major expenses of an illness. It mitigates some of the financial risk of illness, but not all of it. As an independent and free man, I'm happy with the contract. I would, however, prefer that my state government stay out of it so that I could purchase insurance coverage for only what I consider to be mine and my family's greatest risks. Cancer, major surgeries, etc, not chiropractic, dental, etc. Those I can cover out of my pocket. I'd also prefer that they not restrict competition.

Currently, I have access to the best healthcare that the world has to offer. I believe that will change drastically in the near future. Something is going to ration healthcare, which, no matter how badly the liberals want it to be a "right", is simply a market commodity. It will either be rationed by the free market, or some government entity. Since the free market is being severely inhibited, we are shifting toward the goverment entity. The IRS will play a major role according to this bill, and in the future it will be worse. I take Mr. Obama at his word when he says that he wants a government takeover - a single payer system, and that the best way to do that is in stages. Welcome to stage one.

So my vote - Have insurance, hate the takover. Your results mirror the polls taken during the debate over this bill. The majority oppose it.

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I always wonder about those who were born on third base and believe they have hit a home run thru all that hard work in life.

So with your thinking my kids should struggle and strive, fight and force like I had to because someone else's dad rode the short bus and didnt give 2 shakes about his kids education? My goodness you must have been beaten as a child.

Punish me and my kids because they have their education paid for by me busting my ass for 20 years so they dont have to work as hard as I did.

This is why socialism sucks ass... the ones that work hard are penalized so the lazy fucks can keep up. Sure am glad our forefathers didnt think like this!

Actually I was.. and sexually molested as well

Thanks for your support

What was it that your pundit Lucky said . . . Oh - something about it being unfortunate, but it happens . . . and then something about it being better that way.

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I always wonder about those who were born on third base and believe they have hit a home run thru all that hard work in life.

So with your thinking my kids should struggle and strive, fight and force like I had to because someone else's dad rode the short bus and didnt give 2 shakes about his kids education? My goodness you must have been beaten as a child.

Punish me and my kids because they have their education paid for by me busting my ass for 20 years so they dont have to work as hard as I did.

This is why socialism sucks ass... the ones that work hard are penalized so the lazy fucks can keep up. Sure am glad our forefathers didnt think like this!

Actually I was.. and sexually molested as well

Thanks for your support

What was it that your pundit Lucky said . . . Oh - something about it being unfortunate, but it happens . . . and then something about it being better that way.

It was so nice to have such a "loving" stepfather... a good Catholic republican... like so manyrepublicown politicians who have been arrested over the last few years for all that "loving", but there are so many men that are good at using and abusing women, but as long as they go get absolution by asking forgiveness for their sins... they are good to go again on Sunday night.

Its an all too familiar story.. but as long as you are good with it.... I expect no less from those who feel that way

[futuredivot 0]

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My HC is free because I haven't had it for 10 years.

Don't take this personall......aw hell, take it personally-not like I give a damn. But, If your insurance hasn't been enough of a priority for you to get off your dead ass and get some for a fucking decade-why are you so emotionally invested in it now? I just keep hearing more "do for me because I won't do for myself" "where's my free ride" bullshit. Don't use my dime to cover your lazy.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I am sorry if you were abused as a child. But guess what, you were not the only one who may have been abused as a youngster and your labeling people of only one political stripe or religious beliefs who did the abuse is bullshit. Guess what my sister was sexually abused and I was physically abused by a Nazi (I shit you not this step-father figure we had to deal with as young children grew up on the other side of World War II ... he was a Hitler Youth and his brother fought on the Russian front ... lucky bastard survived only because he was wounded). And this Nazi step-father figure abused myself and my siblings because we did not buy into his vision of how the world should exist. Guess what? He is not a republican, he hates the USA with a passion and the only people he hates more than the USA are the Jews. And this Nazi is a pro-union big government socialist.

So the abuse comes from people on all sides of the political spectrum.

BTW ... I left this abusive home at the age of 15 and have been supporting myself ever since. Hard work does pay off when you are motivated (I thank the Canadian military for teaching me responsibility as I could have easily turned into a street thug had I not spent some time in their reserve forces). When life deals you lemons do you site back and whine to the world with a sour face? or do you proceed to make lemonade out of the lemons.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Amazon 7]

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I am sorry if you were abused as a child. But guess what, you were not the only one who may have been abused as a youngster and your labeling people of only one political stripe or religious beliefs who did the abuse is bullshit. Guess what my sister was sexually abused and I was physically abused by a Nazi (I shit you not this step-father figure we had to deal with as young children grew up on the other side of World War II ... he was a Hitler Youth and his brother fought on the Russian front ... lucky bastard survived only because he was wounded). And this Nazi step-father figure abused myself and my siblings because we did not buy into his vision of how the world should exist. Guess what? He is not a republican, he hates the USA with a passion and the only people he hates more than the USA are the Jews. And this Nazi is a pro-union big government socialist.

So the abuse comes from people on all sides of the political spectrum.

BTW ... I left this abusive home at the age of 15 and have been supporting myself ever since. Hard work does pay off when you are motivated (I thank the Canadian military for teaching me responsibility as I could have easily turned into a street thug had I not spent some time in their reserve forces). When life deals you lemons do you site back and whine to the world with a sour face? or do you proceed to make lemonade out of the lemons.

Actually I made some damn fine lemonade.... and the military helped me to do that as well. I escaped my "home" just as quickly as I could.

I was just relating my own story.... I guess I just react that way when I see so many wonderful analogs of my step-father here in DIZZY with the same attitudes he had 50 years ago I guess that will never change after all.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Ok, now that I've stopped laughing, I'll make you a deal... I'll pay your health care premiums if you make my student loan payments. How's that sound?

Pure tangent. Yes becoming a lawyer is expensive, but it pays for itself. Tell ya what, I'll pay your school loans of you take a fucking skydrol bath everyday. You would last exactly 15 minutes and go into shock. Speaking of laughing, a lawyer whining about current pay and / or potential pay is a joke.

sheesh, yet another subject on which you know far less than you think you do.

Lawyers graduate with less debt than the typical med student, but also with a more more diluted job market. Med schools are an artificial barrier on the number of new doctors, but there's plenty of law schools.

If you went to a well known school and you're willing to work the corporate lawyer life - where you bill 2100 hours a year (do the math) - yeah, you can recoup it pretty quickly. OTOH, if you want to do more progressive work (my aunt does tenant law for renters), or social policy, you're making an ok living without making any dent on that debt. If you don't "sell out" it's no picnic. And not all get work in the field.

Summary - the lawyers doing well are typically working hard. And they make the investment of time and considerable risk to go to law school first.

[kallend 1,659]

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You're a lwayer, so you're probably at minimum wage, so that's real tough. This law, the president and congress are about helping people and closing the priv gap; he's an awesome guy.

BTW, I'm sure you can afford a good plan w/o help.

Ok, now that I've stopped laughing, I'll make you a deal... I'll pay your health care premiums if you make my student loan payments. How's that sound?

Should have won merit scholarships, then you wouldn't have needed any loans.

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I had a merit scholarship. Covered a nice bit of tuition. Didn't cover anything else like living expenses, though, so my student loans are still a very large chunk of change that will be taking a huge portion of my income for the next thirty years.

Just refuting Lucky's assumption that I have money for a health care policy. Between the student loans and the mortgage, there's not much left over, partularly considering that I work for the local government, so I'm not exactly making anywhere near what private attorneys do... And part of the reason I stay here is my health benefits.

[PLFXpert 0]

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I had a merit scholarship. Covered a nice bit of tuition. Didn't cover anything else like living expenses, though,

100% of my tuition was paid through Florida Bright Futures--didn't cover anything else like living expenses. In a college town, there was not much to do to make any sort of money to pay for living expense, much less, anything else.

Long story short, I ended up with a small student loan (paid off), but a privately funded one which I understand this bill will do away with. Stupid.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[kallend 1,659]

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I had a merit scholarship. Covered a nice bit of tuition. Didn't cover anything else like living expenses, though,

100% of my tuition was paid through Florida Bright Futures--didn't cover anything else like living expenses. In a college town, there was not much to do to make any sort of money to pay for living expense, much less, anything else.

Long story short, I ended up with a small student loan (paid off), but a privately funded one which I understand this bill will do away with. Stupid.

Really?

I was under the impression that the government will expand a direct lending program, a change that the Congressional Budget Office said would save taxpayers $61 billion over 10 years, and use the money to increase Pell grants for students. Cutting out the middleman and his cut seems a good idea to me, as does increasing GRANTS.

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[Lucky... 0]

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My HC is free because I haven't had it for 10 years.

Don't take this personall......aw hell, take it personally-not like I give a damn. But, If your insurance hasn't been enough of a priority for you to get off your dead ass and get some for a fucking decade-why are you so emotionally invested in it now? I just keep hearing more "do for me because I won't do for myself" "where's my free ride" bullshit. Don't use my dime to cover your lazy.

I'm lazy , right. I bet if you saw me after just 2 hours at work, covered in grease and skydrol most days, compare that to your manicured nails, as pretty as my GF's, you'd have a diff thought. Hysterical what the internet allows pretty little fingers to type out .

I have pre-existers, that is a huge reason. My work is sporadic, that is yet another.

I don't want a free ride, I'm a hard working MF - you'll never know....

[futuredivot 0]

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covered in grease and skydrol most days,

Yeah, did that-worked hard, worked smart-moved up. You are one bright sob so if you haven't-not brains, must be effort or attitude-once again-sorry bout your damn luck. Nah, screw luck, Sorry bout your damn short comings. I still don't see why I should foot the bill.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[Lucky... 0]

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I had a merit scholarship. Covered a nice bit of tuition. Didn't cover anything else like living expenses, though, so my student loans are still a very large chunk of change that will be taking a huge portion of my income for the next thirty years.

Just refuting Lucky's assumption that I have money for a health care policy. Between the student loans and the mortgage, there's not much left over, partularly considering that I work for the local government, so I'm not exactly making anywhere near what private attorneys do... And part of the reason I stay here is my health benefits.

You gotta be shittin. You gotta a partial ride that covere most/all tuition and still have big loans? 30 years, are you paying just the interest? WHat does it cost to live for 3 years? Sounds like BS to me.

So do the city prosecutor gig for 3 or 4 years and then go private crim defense and do well. Actually civil is better unless you can get the private PD gig. I would want to be civil, contingent fees are great and civil suits are so numerous.

Either way, 30 years, I call BS on that and besides, it's a good tax writeoff. You have the potential to make huge bling as well.

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Yeah, did that-worked hard,...

I know, the older you get, the harder you used to work. Again, princess-fingers, it's hillarious that you say I'm lazy, I'm the guy they come to when they have heavy shit, nasty shit, greay shit, etc to move/remove. The pussy-ass punk Republicans, which are primarliy who I work with, are bitches compared to me. Then enter you, with your cute little pleated slacks and cufflinks that match your tieclip telling me I'm lazy.

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...worked smart-moved up.

Got lazy.

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You are one bright sob so if you haven't-not brains,...

HUH, that makes no sense.

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...must be effort or attitude...

There's truth in that, I don't mix well with management. I have more education than most oif them and am more well spoken too, I am just unwilling to crawl under a desk so I have hurt myself. Oh well, I'm not for sale. The way I "roll" is that I live by my own rules. Management usually between dislikes and hates me, but they love ,y work ethic and competence, so they just ignore my tude so as to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

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Nah, screw luck, Sorry bout your damn short comings.

If I were a spineless POS that would have crawled under a desk or two, I would be way further along. I'm just not wired like that, if that's a shortcoming so be it.

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I still don't see why I should foot the bill.

Me either; you're delluded if you think you will be.

[Nightingale 0]

So you want me to change jobs so I can pay for your healthcare? no thanks. I like my job. Sure, I could make more working elsewhere, but I've never been one to exchange happiness for money. I'd rather have less but look forward to going to work. That's priceless.

And I didn't say the scholarship covered most/all of my law school tuition. It covered some. $11K to be exact, which is a nice bit of tuition, but certainly not close to everything. I still had to shell out about $14K a year myself in tuition alone. That's not counting books, which were around $1K a semester. And as for cost of living, well, Orange County, CA isn't cheap, though I did my best to live frugally. I've also got loans from my BA and MA... you can't just go from high school to law school, you know. They want you to go to college first.

So no, it's not BS, my student loan balance really is close to my mortgage, and the loans are on 30 year repayment terms, as the federal government puts loans with a balance of more than $20K on 30 year plans.

And attorneys that make "huge bling" as you put it are few and far between. Many of us don't even come close to $100K/year. Many of us make enough to pay the bills and the loans, and that's about it. Really. For example, the median salary for a public sector attorney who graduated from UCLA law is $55,000. That's not terrible, but "huge bling" it isn't.

So now that we've covered all that, can we move this back on topic?

[pmw515 0]

Well, I dont have health insurance. I do have access to health care. That said, I oppose this bill because of the unconstitutional mandate to purchase health insurance. When did my lack of health insurance become anyone's problem but mine?

I haven't jumped in a long time, but I remember that skydiving is all about personal responsiblity; is life no different? Granted, we nead reform for health insurance; however, should the government provide what we need for us? Is this not an issue of personal responsibilty? I don't own a house, and that's ok because I can't afford one right now. Should the government buy me a house? Of course not.

These are my thoughts; I welcome yours.

[RonD1120 58]

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Inspired by the thread below. Interesting idea on who actually wants government run healthcare... Honesty in the poll is, as always, appreciated.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3825231;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;

I favor the Darwinian theory of survival of the fittest.

If you are not intelligent enough to figure out your own healthcare system then your existence weakens the gene pool.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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When did my lack of health insurance become anyone's problem but mine?

As soon as you get hurt or sick. Then it becomes everyone else's problem but yours.

- Dan G

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When did my lack of health insurance become anyone's problem but mine?

As soon as you get hurt or sick. Then it becomes everyone else's problem but yours.

You're making the assumption that he cannot pay for his care, if it came to that.

Mike
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[futuredivot 0]

Once again-sorry you have issues-sorry that you feel that someone else should solve them. Sorry that you haven't succeeded in life and are reduced to trying to belittle people on a website in a laughable attempt to salve you fragile ego.

In short, what's become my new favorite line, Sorry 'bout your damn luck. So keep posting about your superiority, if that's all you've got to hang on to in life-I won't take it away from you. But please don't be offended if it is impossible to take you seriously.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[GeorgiaDon 340]

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You're making the assumption that he cannot pay for his care, if it came to that.

Well, he did say he can't afford a house right now. Considering that medical bills for a bad accident can easily top what you'd pay for a starter house, that's not an unreasonable assumption.

Don

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[kelpdiver 2]

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There's truth in that, I don't mix well with management. I have more education than most oif them and am more well spoken too, I am just unwilling to crawl under a desk so I have hurt myself. Oh well, I'm not for sale. The way I "roll" is that I live by my own rules. Management usually between dislikes and hates me, but they love ,y work ethic and competence, so they just ignore my tude so as to enjoy the fruits of my labor.

Ok - I believe about half of what you wrote here. Or maybe it's one third.