flyangel2 2 #51 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteMy mother gave me life, not my husband. I love him dearly, but I would haunt him for the rest of his life if he denyed my mother and family access to me on my death bed. Then make sure you have that written out, and you give a copy to your mother. All ready have. I can't believe so many people disrespect their parents so much. Judy No disrespect for my parents. But, if they didn't follow my wishes................. BTW, if Michael had divorced Terri then he would have been the bad guy because he didn't stick it out with her. He was in a no win situation.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #52 March 31, 2005 QuoteTerri Schiavo. Dead. Today a few min ago. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ About time. Now perhaps the vultures who have been feeding off her for the last 15 years can move on to their next victim. She's well out of it. unfortunately its not over yet. the receptionist in the room next to my cubicle once again has Rush Limbaugh on the radio. I can't hear all of it but I occasionally make out "Terry Sciavo...bla bla BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA!!!" Rush is frickin' irritating. He's ranting & raving & still milking this whole thing for all it's worth. & everyone within earshot of the secretary's office has to hear it. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #53 March 31, 2005 >No one REALLY knows what her wishes were. Except her husband. One of the good things about getting married is that you can't choose your parents - they could be insane, greedy, addicts etc but you CAN choose your spouse. Hence even if your parents are fundamentalist nuts who want you to not have sex, or not donate your organs after you die, or want to have you committed because you won't listen to them - you can choose a spouse who will do better by you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #54 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuoteSays who? The law. QuoteAgain without a living will the parents should be the deciding factor and just let the widow get on with their lives unless of course the agree. Spouse beats Parents...And it should be that way. I had conversations with the woman I CHOOSE to be with that I did not have with my parents. Her parents wanted her around just so they could feel better...They never took her wishes into account. Way should it be that way? Parents bring you into life and should trump what could be a bitter spouse who has bad intentions. Not saying he did, but lets agree that if the parents had the legal right she would still be here. "She said she didn't want to live like this" OK you have the legal right over her so ........stop feeding her No one know what her wishes were! He won because he had the legal right lain and simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #55 March 31, 2005 Quote>No one REALLY knows what her wishes were. I have a lot of trouble imagining a reasonable person who would choose life in a mentally vegetative state over death. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #56 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuoteThey never took her wishes into account. No one REALLY knows what her wishes were. I see him as taking the easy way out in NOT getting a divorce. He picked up a girlfriend and moved on. Maybe that was his excuse for not marrying the new girl? Judy She's dead. He did the right thing. Move on now, nothing to see here. Don't worry though, the Christian thugs who used this issue to try to advance their vision of a theocracy in America will be back soon enough, so there will be plenty of other opportunities to flex the keyboard in impotent rage. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm actually grateful to the federal judiciary for staring these scum down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #57 March 31, 2005 I observed the demise for 3 years and ultimate death of my father due to cancer recently. I wasn't all that close to the guy since he did divorce my mother soon after I was born back in '63 and he never really spent time with myself and my siblings when we were young. But he was still my father and I had relations with the man. My family was divided with my father's ordeal. Myself, my brothers and more importantly my father's common law wife (with their 3 young children) all agreed that we were relieved once my father passed away as he was finally relieved of his pain and suffering (the shit that man went through to live as long as he did was not humane IMHO). But my sister (who is Pro-Life at all Costs) was devastated in his death. I mean she was all upset that he couldn't hold on and live to see his 70th birthday 2 months away and did not go on to live through Easter. Live for what? More pain and suffering? What sort of life is that? The stories my father's common law wife told us of his final 6 months of life during his wake was enough to make me want to have pulled the plug on him. Anyway ... the "Pro-Lifers at all Cost" will never understand the "Right to Die" people (and visa versa). Living Wills and talking to our families are the only way to ensure crap like this never happen again. Oh and to make a point that not all "Pro-Lifers at all Cost" are right-wing in their politics, my sister is a staunch liberal socialist believing that the government has a responsibility to look after their citizens where I am more of the conservative (at least when it comes to economics). But she is way more religious than I am and that can explain her "Pro-Life at all Cost" position. But I still ask all you "Pro-Lifers at all Cost" why is it so hard to believe that Terri Shiavo would not have wanted to live as a vegetable for 15 years? What sort of life did she have and would have had if this event didn't take place. She was a vegetable with no chance of recovery. And why are the "Pro-Lifers at all Cost" so quick to judge Michael Shiavo for not want to have happiness in his life (in reference to his girlfriend and their children). The world would be a better place if people stopped judging how others live their lives and concentrate on their own lives. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #58 March 31, 2005 Quote>No one REALLY knows what her wishes were. Except her husband. Quote if you believe him... One of the good things about getting married is that you can't choose your parents - they could be insane, greedy, addicts etc but you CAN choose your spouse. Hence even if your parents are fundamentalist nuts who want you to not have sex, or not donate your organs after you die, or want to have you committed because you won't listen to them - you can choose a spouse who will do better by you. Some people marry people that are insane and will murder their spouse in a heart beat. Scott Peterson comes to mind. He was a wonderful son, husband and person or at least that was someone's opinion of him. I'm sure Lori wouldn't have chosen a murderer had she know what he was really like. Aside for starving her to death, I just think its really shitty he didn't let the parents see her until the end was over. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #59 March 31, 2005 Quote>Again without a living will the parents should be the deciding factor . . . Her husband is her closest living relative, and is charged with making such decisions. That's part of all those vows that people who get married make. If you don't want such responsibility, it's easier to not get married - then the parents do indeed remain her closest living relatives. People get married and people get divorce, but your parents are always you parents! Again without a living will the parents should trump spouses period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #60 March 31, 2005 >Some people marry people that are insane and will murder their spouse in a heart beat. Of course, but at least they have a choice in the matter. No one can choose their parents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #61 March 31, 2005 >I love him dearly, but I would haunt him for the rest of his life if he >denyed my mother and family access to me on my death bed. Then let's hope he fights for what you want as hard as Terri's husband fought for what she wanted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #62 March 31, 2005 QuoteWay should it be that way? You choose your spouse. QuoteParents bring you into life and should trump what could be a bitter spouse who has bad intentions. Or your parents could be wack jobs that wnat you to wear tin foil hats and eat only every other day only. Your parents may be religious nut jobs...That does not make you one. You choose who you want to marry. My father and mother are religious, my wife was not. I PICKED my wife, she knew what my wishes were. Wife trumps Parents. Thats part of being married. QuoteNo one know what her wishes were! She told the husband and friends...Her parents did not accept that, but the courts did."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #63 March 31, 2005 Quote>Some people marry people that are insane and will murder their spouse in a heart beat. Of course, but at least they have a choice in the matter. No one can choose their parents. I'm sure Lori choose to marry a murderer. In fact, I'm sure everyone that ever was murdered by a spouse choose that, because their spouse who killed them will just say it was their wishes. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #64 March 31, 2005 QuoteNo one REALLY knows what her wishes were. He does. QuoteI see him as taking the easy way out in NOT getting a divorce How is sticking around and being in legal fight after legal fight while people threaten to kill you and make accusations about you the easy way? The easy way would have been for him to divorce her LIKE PEOPLE OFFERED TO PAY HIM TO DO. But he held to his word with his wife. QuoteHe picked up a girlfriend and moved on Once he knew she was gone...you would as well. QuoteMaybe that was his excuse for not marrying the new girl? He could not marry the new girl till either death, or divorce. Terri wanted death and if he divorced her she would not have been granted her wish. Mike did a good thing."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #65 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuote>Again without a living will the parents should be the deciding factor . . . Her husband is her closest living relative, and is charged with making such decisions. That's part of all those vows that people who get married make. If you don't want such responsibility, it's easier to not get married - then the parents do indeed remain her closest living relatives. People get married and people get divorce, but your parents are always you parents! Again without a living will the parents should trump spouses period. Apparently the courts at all levels disagree with you. She died 15 years ago, and the shell of her body was kept hanging around by purely artificial means for years. The courts made the right decision.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #66 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuoteWay should it be that way? You choose your spouse. QuoteParents bring you into life and should trump what could be a bitter spouse who has bad intentions. Or your parents could be wack jobs that wnat you to wear tin foil hats and eat only every other day only. Your parents may be religious nut jobs...That does not make you one. You choose who you want to marry. My father and mother are religious, my wife was not. I PICKED my wife, she knew what my wishes were. Wife trumps Parents. Thats part of being married. QuoteNo one know what her wishes were! She told the husband and friends...Her parents did not accept that, but the courts did. The courts did because he had the legal right over the her, but I guess my bitch is with the law. Sure things are good when there good, but when things go sour look out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #67 March 31, 2005 QuotePeople get married and people get divorce, but your parents are always you parents! Again without a living will the parents should trump spouses period. If you are not married the parents do get their say. Otherwise it is the person you CHOOSE to be with that gets to make the call. And that is the law and it is the right call."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #68 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuote>Again without a living will the parents should be the deciding factor . . . Her husband is her closest living relative, and is charged with making such decisions. That's part of all those vows that people who get married make. If you don't want such responsibility, it's easier to not get married - then the parents do indeed remain her closest living relatives. People get married and people get divorce, but your parents are always you parents! Again without a living will the parents should trump spouses period. Says who???? You? That is fine then.... WHen you get married, have a will that states your parents can make all the decisions for you incase of an accident. When someone gets married they make a binding contract with the eachother and the state. At that point, your closest relative becomes your spouse. Like it or not that is the LAW. If you don't like it, don't marry :-) It is true of all things... I just got married 2 weeks ago, and had to change my beneficiaries form for my pension, 401K and Life insurance... and do you know what all forms say on them? In the event that no primary beneficiary is selected, your spouse will become your primary beneficiary. (Not your parents or kids). The only way to change that is with a notarized letter of consent from your spouse stating they forfiet the right to your benefits.... otherwise it is assumed by law. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #69 March 31, 2005 QuoteApparently the courts at all levels disagree with you There are alot of problems with our court system at all levels. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #70 March 31, 2005 QuoteI'm sure Lori choose to marry a murderer. In fact, I'm sure everyone that ever was murdered by a spouse choose that, because their spouse who killed them will just say it was their wishes. Parents kill their children as well. Reference Andrea Yates. I guess her children wanted to die? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #71 March 31, 2005 QuoteQuoteI'm sure Lori choose to marry a murderer. In fact, I'm sure everyone that ever was murdered by a spouse choose that, because their spouse who killed them will just say it was their wishes. Parents kill their children as well. Reference Andrea Yates. I guess her children wanted to die? I know parents kill their children too, as well as spouses. MY POINT is he should have let them see her at the end. My point is not everyone has all the info all the time to make choices. I don't and more than likely never will believe MS ever had her best interest/wishes at heart. She may not have wanted to live incapacitated as she was, but do you really think she wouldn't want her parents and siblings there on her death bed? JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #72 March 31, 2005 >I'm sure Lori choose to marry a murderer. Lori DID choose to marry a murderer; she just didn't him well enough at the time to know he was capable of that. People do make mistakes. A good solution to that is to make sure you know the person really well before marrying them, because they _will_ have the power of life and death over you when you are unable to state your wishes. (Unless, of course, you have a living will that states otherwise.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #73 March 31, 2005 QuoteI know parents kill their children too, as well as spouses. MY POINT is he should have let them see her at the end. I don't think Michael knew exactly what second Terri would be gone at. I still support Michael. It was his time to be with Terri. If the parents had been in there, that would have caused more drama. Emotions were running high, I can just see Terri's mom throwing herself on Terri's bed and screaming for a nurse.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #74 March 31, 2005 QuoteI don't and more than likely never will believe MS ever had her best interest/wishes at heart. She may not have wanted to live incapacitated as she was, but do you really think she wouldn't want her parents and siblings there on her death bed? Right, but she would have wanted her parents to make her a puppet for the religeous right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #75 March 31, 2005 The only thing I have to say is rest in peace, Terri, you have no doubt gone on to a better place than the one you were in... It's the only thing I have to say because not being her husband, parents, or even a friend; it's the only thing I have any right to say."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
