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  1. Moved from Incidents: 207-339-1520. Let us know what you find out. LOL Perfect response. What, you don't think the USPA should be checking on an instructor they licensed at a DZ they approved via the GM system? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
  2. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Thank you. How could the membership get a list of who voted for and against this?
  3. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    You are using the logical fallacy of 'False Dichotomy'. Even with the USPA you claim there are dangerous practices, but then use those dangerous practices to defend the USPA?
  4. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    He is the one that’s said he added ‘teeth’. I am asking him to define it. As I suspected, the USPA is not going to do much about BSR violations. Worse case is kick out the GM and not let them back. I don’t see how the USPA could do much more honestly. But, I don’t call that ‘teeth’ so I asked what he meant. I can’t help but wonder what would happen if say Lodi wanted to become a GM. I suspect that as long as he signed the pledge and the check cleared he would become a GM.... Even with the history.... Admittedly, this is supposition. I do find it interesting to read Chuck before being on the BOD talk about the GM program versus today. Since he claims the difference is ‘teeth’, I think it perfectly fair to ask what ‘teeth’ means to him.
  5. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    I don’t see ‘teeth’ there which is why I asked. So 1, 4, & 5... I don’t see any ‘teeth’ just you saying you might kick them out, might put conditions on them being able to rejoin, and might write them up.... You and I have clearly differing definitions of ‘teeth’.
  6. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Both Hook and I didn't ask for specific examples, we asked for the "teeth" that is now in the GM program that you claim. Maybe just quote the list of punishment actions that can be taken against GM DZ's. Surely just showing the membership what actions COULD be taken against a GMDZ is not in violation of 1-6.
  7. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    So you just argued my point. In the example of you giving "free" coaching, it was NOT free. There was a cost. In your example, YOU were the USPA. You provided coaching at no cost to the participants, but that was only because YOU covered that cost. Or you could argue that the WFFC was the USPA and through paid participants (members) they were able to provide organizing. Again, not "free", someone paid a cost. And as you claimed train != ‘fund’. The charter also does not say to fund a museum. Like always... You have a nice day, but we are getting nowhere.
  8. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Me either... And I have looked. I am eagerly waiting for someone to answer what "teeth" have been put into the GM program.
  9. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    I didn’t know you traveled for free and got free hotel and registration. You may not have charged, but there was a cost and you paid it. Well in examples like BC he is the manager of a DZ so it is his job to help and guide... And he gets paid for it. And the others if it was at an event that you PAID to be at, then they were getting compensation as well... P3 for example, you paid to be there and they were compensated to be there. So YOU may not have paid, but that does not mean someone else didn’t pick up the tab. And an individual giving free advice is not the same as a mandate from an organization to provide training. I am actually surprised you don’t see that.... Actually, I am sure you do see it and just refuse to admit it. You have a nice day.... This has devolved into all noise and no longer worth my time.
  10. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Well, while you are technically correct.... It does not say "fund"...Try to give an example of where providing training in skydiving does not require spending any money. Tunnel? Money Jumps? Money Gear? Money Get them a book on mental training? Buy the book or spend funds on an employee finding one for free, or copying it, etc. So it does not say "fund"... It does say train and you will be hard pressed to help train several teams without spending any money. BTW, It also does not say 'fund a museum.'
  11. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Then I am surprised I had to quote it to you. Notice it says TRAIN? You can try to explain it away, but it says TRAIN in plain English.... See attached. You have a nice day.
  12. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    USPA provides no funding to US Teams. The teams are funded by investment income from the US Parachute Team Trust Fund, which receives nothing from USPA. Please look at the charter for the PCA, later turned USPA. "To select and train the United States Parachute Team for World Competition"
  13. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    I see you failed to answer my question... I guess the USA teams now have FULL sponsorship... You know since you think you can afford to give away 125K dollars of USPA funds to other pet projects... It is good to know that the mission of the PCA - USPA has finally been met! And people might like to know that the "International" museum has, I think, only TWO people who are not from/in the United States on the governance board.... Does not seem so "International" to me..... But one thing I will give you credit for... You willing to spend YOUR money on the same things you are willing to spend others money on! As for me not being a member... When a supposed membership organization shows interest in supporting manufacturers and the industry over the membership, I have a hard time supporting it. And if you support the DZ group membership program so much... Why is WTS not a group member?
  14. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    And this was the same USPA that wanted to create a demo team to compete against its own members for demos to raise funds for the USA competition teams. Yet, now they also give away 125K dollars to some other group.... Did the US competition teams get fully funded all of a sudden? Fully aware thanks. So you assume that people opposed to the BOD giving away membership money is because they are uneducated about the project? Maybe they just don't approve of giving away funds without ASKING the membership?
  15. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Anytime members money is being given away, the votes should be recorded. I have been down this path before, I will get incomplete data that will not give me the information I wanted. I'll get a few yes, a few no, but mostly silence. So it will be nothing but a waste of my time. My USPA membership lapsed.... I'm thinking I am going to let it stay lapsed.