Ron

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  1. Moved from Incidents: 207-339-1520. Let us know what you find out. LOL Perfect response. What, you don't think the USPA should be checking on an instructor they licensed at a DZ they approved via the GM system? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
  2. And yet I just gave an example of a GM DZ that had an issue with illegal MX in the past resulting in a crash and recent action against the DZO and now a fatality at that DZ in part due to MX and they are still a GM. These are all facts. GM DZ having a crash due to illegal MX - Still a GM Action taken against the DZO - Still a GM An additional crash, with fatalities, reported to be bad MX - Still a GM DZ. Now maybe the USPA has not acted yet.... But they didn’t take action from the last crash due to bad MX, so I have little faith they will take action now... The check cleared. Maybe the USPA will finally act.... So maybe a preventable fatality is the line that removes a DZ from the program? That would be nice to know.... ‘Dangerous activities are allowed until someone dies.’ At that point it isn’t more than just the check clearing and an empty promise. Anyone that thinks the DZ being a USPA GM means anything is fooling themselves. The GM program is there to force individual membership and to serve as an advertisement tool. Funny how Chuck has made that’s EXACT claim on this forum before. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
  3. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Thank you. How could the membership get a list of who voted for and against this?
  4. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    You are using the logical fallacy of 'False Dichotomy'. Even with the USPA you claim there are dangerous practices, but then use those dangerous practices to defend the USPA?
  5. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    He is the one that’s said he added ‘teeth’. I am asking him to define it. As I suspected, the USPA is not going to do much about BSR violations. Worse case is kick out the GM and not let them back. I don’t see how the USPA could do much more honestly. But, I don’t call that ‘teeth’ so I asked what he meant. I can’t help but wonder what would happen if say Lodi wanted to become a GM. I suspect that as long as he signed the pledge and the check cleared he would become a GM.... Even with the history.... Admittedly, this is supposition. I do find it interesting to read Chuck before being on the BOD talk about the GM program versus today. Since he claims the difference is ‘teeth’, I think it perfectly fair to ask what ‘teeth’ means to him.
  6. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    I don’t see ‘teeth’ there which is why I asked. So 1, 4, & 5... I don’t see any ‘teeth’ just you saying you might kick them out, might put conditions on them being able to rejoin, and might write them up.... You and I have clearly differing definitions of ‘teeth’.
  7. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Both Hook and I didn't ask for specific examples, we asked for the "teeth" that is now in the GM program that you claim. Maybe just quote the list of punishment actions that can be taken against GM DZ's. Surely just showing the membership what actions COULD be taken against a GMDZ is not in violation of 1-6.
  8. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    So you just argued my point. In the example of you giving "free" coaching, it was NOT free. There was a cost. In your example, YOU were the USPA. You provided coaching at no cost to the participants, but that was only because YOU covered that cost. Or you could argue that the WFFC was the USPA and through paid participants (members) they were able to provide organizing. Again, not "free", someone paid a cost. And as you claimed train != ‘fund’. The charter also does not say to fund a museum. Like always... You have a nice day, but we are getting nowhere.
  9. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Me either... And I have looked. I am eagerly waiting for someone to answer what "teeth" have been put into the GM program.
  10. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    I didn’t know you traveled for free and got free hotel and registration. You may not have charged, but there was a cost and you paid it. Well in examples like BC he is the manager of a DZ so it is his job to help and guide... And he gets paid for it. And the others if it was at an event that you PAID to be at, then they were getting compensation as well... P3 for example, you paid to be there and they were compensated to be there. So YOU may not have paid, but that does not mean someone else didn’t pick up the tab. And an individual giving free advice is not the same as a mandate from an organization to provide training. I am actually surprised you don’t see that.... Actually, I am sure you do see it and just refuse to admit it. You have a nice day.... This has devolved into all noise and no longer worth my time.
  11. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Well, while you are technically correct.... It does not say "fund"...Try to give an example of where providing training in skydiving does not require spending any money. Tunnel? Money Jumps? Money Gear? Money Get them a book on mental training? Buy the book or spend funds on an employee finding one for free, or copying it, etc. So it does not say "fund"... It does say train and you will be hard pressed to help train several teams without spending any money. BTW, It also does not say 'fund a museum.'
  12. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Then I am surprised I had to quote it to you. Notice it says TRAIN? You can try to explain it away, but it says TRAIN in plain English.... See attached. You have a nice day.
  13. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    USPA provides no funding to US Teams. The teams are funded by investment income from the US Parachute Team Trust Fund, which receives nothing from USPA. Please look at the charter for the PCA, later turned USPA. "To select and train the United States Parachute Team for World Competition"
  14. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    I see you failed to answer my question... I guess the USA teams now have FULL sponsorship... You know since you think you can afford to give away 125K dollars of USPA funds to other pet projects... It is good to know that the mission of the PCA - USPA has finally been met! And people might like to know that the "International" museum has, I think, only TWO people who are not from/in the United States on the governance board.... Does not seem so "International" to me..... But one thing I will give you credit for... You willing to spend YOUR money on the same things you are willing to spend others money on! As for me not being a member... When a supposed membership organization shows interest in supporting manufacturers and the industry over the membership, I have a hard time supporting it. And if you support the DZ group membership program so much... Why is WTS not a group member?
  15. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    And this was the same USPA that wanted to create a demo team to compete against its own members for demos to raise funds for the USA competition teams. Yet, now they also give away 125K dollars to some other group.... Did the US competition teams get fully funded all of a sudden? Fully aware thanks. So you assume that people opposed to the BOD giving away membership money is because they are uneducated about the project? Maybe they just don't approve of giving away funds without ASKING the membership?
  16. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Anytime members money is being given away, the votes should be recorded. I have been down this path before, I will get incomplete data that will not give me the information I wanted. I'll get a few yes, a few no, but mostly silence. So it will be nothing but a waste of my time. My USPA membership lapsed.... I'm thinking I am going to let it stay lapsed.
  17. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    My license says "Master". It was listed as Master for decades. It then went to saying "Expert", now they say nothing (IIRC). But when the FAR's were written, the USPA "D" license said "Master".... If needed, I can PM you a pic of my license (If I can find it).
  18. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    I think it can be said even more accurately that the BOD was lobbied hard by some museum folks, and it convinced 13 of the 22 BOD members who voted "for" this. FYI, I voted "against". Can you list who voted for it, or provide a method to find this information out? I mean it is membership money, so it should be public record....
  19. It never is enough and it will never be enough. You could make it required reading and they will just claim they have "mad skills" and they "are better", will "be safer", and have "better advisors". Then they will insult you for trying to "hold them back". It happens so often.... I don't even try anymore.
  20. Ron

    Tunnel to AFF training BSR change

    I have put 100+ students through a tunnel/AFFL4 program. It is better than standard AFF IMO. I dislike the BOD maybe more than anyone. I think the USPA does whatever the hell it wants without a single care what the average member thinks.... But this is not the hill I am willing to fight on.
  21. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Pacific skydiving was violated for busting clouds by the FAA and the USPA did nothing. So your claim is not supported by the facts presented. Oh, I thought we were not FORCED to do anything? You would also be wrong. I have stated my issues several times. If you decide to ignore what I wrote and instead try to make up a position I never took... There is no point in trying to discuss this with you.
  22. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Nope. Don't promise something you have no intention of delivering.... That is what I am asking for, and what the GM program currently does... Promise something they have zero intention of delivering. The proof is taking no action against GMDZ's that have been CLEARLY shown to be in violation of FAR's and giving ratings to people that have not actually earned them. Nope, but if you read what I posted you would know I don't want USPA inspectors. But again, I thank you for keeping it about the topic and not trying to make it about me.
  23. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Giving ratings to people that are not qualified. Endorsing DZ's that violate FAR's.... Not exactly a sign of a great organization... But you support it. I will give you credit for not making a lame personal attack... Bravo!
  24. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    Sigh, it is not a free market if they FORCE membership. Nope, you don't get it. But I don't care anymore.
  25. Ron

    BOD Meeting July 2018

    I have been pretty clear... But I will say it again: The USPA needs to either actually enforce the GM pledge or drop the GM program. I have provided plenty of proof that they don't actually enforce the GM pledge. Then you don't understand a free market... You get an actual benefit for you participation. The GM program actually does not benefit you at all. The USPA claims GM will only employ people that have passed a USPA rating program. But 140 people passed a USPA rating program that only after a fatality did the USPA realize was not actually any good. The USPA says GM's will follow FAR's, but I have show GMDZ's that didn't follow them and the USPA took ZERO action against them. (Busting clouds, letting a non rated pilot fly). Fact is you are getting nothing from the GM program. In a free market, the USPA would have to PROVE you are getting something from the GM program and individual membership, not just force you to be a member if you want to jump at a DZ that bought an advertisement package. Example.... NAUI does not require that any dive operation be a NAUI GM boat. Edit: You should know... The USPA has not been the leader in advancing skydiving. Tandems... That is Bill Booth and Ted Strong - USPA was not a fan. AFF? Yep, USPA didn't approve of it till after it was common. STP/AFP? Again, the USPA didn't create it, only adopted it later. Throw outs for students? Roger Nelson, with the USPA fighting it for years. Tunnel? Heck the USPA JUST accepted it and DZ's had been using tunnel to AFF 4 for decades. USPA banned wingsuits for several decades.