funks 1 #1 May 17, 2004 Coworker just got back from lunch and told me that apparently the latest rumors are that the beheading video is fake and is a ploy by the CIA to draw attention away from the prison abuse photos...Examples cited... Berg was in a prisoners uniform but he apparently was not a prisoner The chair that he is seen sitting in at one point is similar to a chair in some of the prison abuse photos The Iraqis in the video are to large (physically) compared to the average Iraqi Paint on the wall matches paint on the walls seen in the prisons where the abuse has taken place One of the Iraqis has trouble reading from a piece of paper he is holding Their accents are not accurate Did not hear this myself, heard from a co-worker...so, could this be true? What are your thoughts? What a world of shit we live in! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #2 May 17, 2004 I'm thinking that this is a conspiracy theory too far. Berg's body had been found decapitated prior to the video being released. The orange jumpsuit may have been in response to the AQ held in gitmo. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #3 May 17, 2004 I tend to agree with you....It is freakin insane some of the crap people come up with nowadays... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #4 May 17, 2004 QuoteThe chair that he is seen sitting in at one point is similar to a chair in some of the prison abuse photos Cheap and mass produced? QuoteThe Iraqis in the video are to large (physically) compared to the average Iraqi I'm too short compared to the average english man. QuotePaint on the wall matches paint on the walls seen in the prisons where the abuse has taken place Cheap and bland? QuoteOne of the Iraqis has trouble reading from a piece of paper he is holding Their accents are not accurate Probably not very well educated and almost certainly not from Iraq. QuoteDid not hear this myself, heard from a co-worker...so, could this be true? Bizzare claim, no credible source or evidence, no it's probably not true.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #5 May 17, 2004 The mans dead found without his head. Maybe your friend thinks it just fell off? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #6 May 17, 2004 We did land on the moon, and that poor man was beheaded. People will say anything sometimes to be part of the "inside story." The faster this is squashed, the less likely it is that the "fake" story will reach his poor family. So -- how about those Astros? Man, they can pull defeat right out of the jaws of victory Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #7 May 17, 2004 Let me say this.... I saw that video unfortunately! I really wish I hadn't, but I did. If you have any doubt about how authentic it is, I suggest you watch it too. Then have fun trying to get to sleep at night for the next couple days!!! There is nothing here that hollywood could have reproduced. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #8 May 17, 2004 QuoteLet me say this.... I saw that video unfortunately! I really wish I hadn't, but I did. If you have any doubt about how authentic it is, I suggest you watch it too. Then have fun trying to get to sleep at night for the next couple days!!! There is nothing here that hollywood could have reproduced. 1. I'm quite sure it's authentic, 2. You underestimate Hollywood and the CIA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #9 May 17, 2004 Why do you talk like Pythia? It's hard enough to realize that atrocities are part of our world. We/I took the use of living with that. Do I have to imagine that horror could be increased by ill minds made in Hollywood or at CIA? I am not a beginner but, an adult mother of a big boy and always was sure to stand all, but this time cannot. I do not want to imagine this is a CIA home-made video. Who can be sure? Pythia, let's hear ! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #10 May 17, 2004 Quote Why do you talk like Pythia? ! Because I speak for Apollo?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #11 May 17, 2004 Unfortunately, and while I haven't seen the vid (and have no intention of doing so...), I don't believe it's fake, or that it's CIA driven. Tell your co-worker he's welcome to believe anything he wants, but usually it's helpful to understand rumor-mongering before stating faith in a position so untenable. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #12 May 17, 2004 Oh, and as a side note.... Give the guy playing Berge an Oscar.... Because his cries for his mom and for help were quite believable.. That right before his head lopped to the side. It was nice that the killers did't cut his throat right away so we could here him begging even as the knife was throught 80% of his neck! Watch it please.... Then come back and talk conspiracy. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #13 May 17, 2004 I saw the video that is out there too. I told my wife I thought it was fake. NO DOUBT the man is dead(RIP), but the video looked fake as hell. You know when there is something in your head saying this just doesn't look right. The way the people moved, camera angles, audio, and the body part. Everything did not look the right size, and move the way it should. If it is real, it is just a really bad camera job, or I got a hold of a REAL fake. It is hard to tell what you get on the internet, maybe your firend at work got the same one I did? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #14 May 17, 2004 It was only Pythia talking in enigmas, not Apollo. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #15 May 17, 2004 Are you kidding me? DO you feel this way because you are used to seeing the "Hollywood Version" of beheadings? It was maybe a little too real! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #16 May 17, 2004 QuoteYou know when there is something in your head saying this just doesn't look right. The way the people moved, camera angles, audio, and the body part. With all due respect, you've seen enough dead bodies, beheadings, and dismemberment to know, right? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #17 May 17, 2004 Quote It was only Pythia talking in enigmas, not Apollo. You don't think Apollo talks to mere mortals, do you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #18 May 17, 2004 I have seen the video, and yes it is one of the nastiest things i have ever seen. But why is it all these types of videos are always real grainy, almost blurry? This one to the point where you cant make out the victims face 100%...They are technical enough to upload a video to a server and post it to the internet, (which is kind of a strange action for a group of terrorists) but they cant take a clear video? I am not saying whether or not i believe it is real or fake, I just dont know. Just wanting to bring up a point that crossed my mind... forgot to mention...asked my coworker where they heard this and apparently the story is making the rounds on talk radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #19 May 17, 2004 QuoteI saw the video that is out there too. I told my wife I thought it was fake. This based off of what experience with watching terrorists cutting off peoples heads? The video quality is not good, but I have no doubt that that was video of Berg being killed. What more evidence do you need than his body being found with his head cut off? So the terrorists will not win an award for cinematic filming.....I'm willing to bet thats not what they were after."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #20 May 17, 2004 I am a firm believer in being as educated as possible, and examining all sides of stuff before coming to conclusions. I read stuff from all extremes - with one site being about as extreme as possible, conspiracy theory central... but it usually gives good reason to re-analyze stuff. They have quite a few things about the Berg case on the lower part of the index page here: http://www.infowars.com/index.html Make your own conclusions...Arianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 May 17, 2004 Kinda reminds me of the Joker talking to Vicky Vail about her ability to capture the art and essence of death in her photographs. Exactly how freekin' clear do you need it to be? Are you looking for the HDTV expanded DVD version? What subtle nuance do you think has been left out by the lack of Tarantino quality cinematography? Should the terrorists have used a 3-chip camera and perhaps a a higher shutter speed to capture the spraying blood drops in mid-air? Maybe the use of the Sorenson 3 or perhaps Divx codec would have gotten their point across better? Get real. It happened. Yes, people really are that brutal and don't give a fuck about winning Oscars for their film making talents.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #22 May 17, 2004 I do. I do believe, but never met Apollo. So this only "´believe"....somehow. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #23 May 17, 2004 QuoteBut why is it all these types of videos are always real grainy, almost blurry? This one to the point where you cant make out the victims face 100%... Because you and I are used to watching 150K+ cameras shoot things for TV and film. Even in skydiving, there is more money spent on cameras then I would think is spent on a video camera that's been bounced around and used a lot under adverse conditions. Perhaps they are also using old tapes - they can warp easily, and be problematic. Additionally, how many generations of copy do you think you saw? First generation? Or maybe 4, 5, or a dozen? QuoteThey are technical enough to upload a video to a server and post it to the internet, (which is kind of a strange action for a group of terrorists) but they cant take a clear video? Did they upload it, or did they give it to AlJezeera, who then aired it, and then people taped it off their tv sets, uploaded it to a server, and voila, you have a multi-generational copy right then? As for actually posting things to the internet being odd, I don't think so. Several tapes have made it to the internet, and the internet has become a wonderful communication medium for terrorists' communication. QuoteI am not saying whether or not i believe it is real or fake, I just dont know. Just wanting to bring up a point that crossed my mind... I understand your questions, but I also think they're indicative of lack of information and lack of understanding. It would be really nice to think that this kind of thing was made up propaganda, that it didn't happen, that people just aren't this basically evil and horrid. But the truth is, they are. Quoteforgot to mention...asked my coworker where they heard this and apparently the story is making the rounds on talk radio... Has been making the rounds since Tuesday of last week, on internet sites as well as talk radio. Nothing new about this, either. Look at how quickly people were saying there was no Pentagon strike, that the video there didn't capture a plane, and so on. Look at how quickly people were promulgating all sorts of stories about all sorts of things along these lines. It's sad, really. But this kind of speculation and rumor-mongering is nothing new, and nothing unusual. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 May 17, 2004 QuoteTarantino quality Those are two words I never thought to see together. BTW - I believe that man was beheaded. It's a terrible thing. There aren't many 'evil' people in the world, but this shows that some do exist. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #25 May 17, 2004 Regardless of what you think of the man's directing abilities, Tarantino -does- have a unique cinematic vision of violence. That's all I was trying to convey.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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