billvon 2,406 #1 November 17, 2003 Politicians lie. If a politician promises to deliver exactly what you want with no costs to anyone, be very wary of that politician. Politicians would like to believe they have a lot of control over the economy, despite evidence to the contrary. People are easier to manipulate if the manipulators make people believe it's a black and white choice - one party, one candidate, one country is right and the other is wrong. Most people want to believe there is always a black and white choice. Most people want to be on the winning team. There is no limit to how stupid people can be. There is, unfortunately, a limit to how smart people can be. A preacher can believe in creationism all he wants; no problem. But if your doctor doesn't believe bacteria can evolve, you're in trouble. Wars are the last resort of failed diplomacy, not the first tool in a diplomat's arsenal. The natural world provides us with a nearly unlimited source of raw materials for our use, and a nearly unlimited sink for throwing trash away. Overusing, unnecessarily destroying or putting that source at risk is stupid. We don't have another one if we break this one. Everyone - people, companies, and countries - should clean up their own messes. Throwing your trash over the fence into your neighbor's yard does not make it your neighbor's problem. It's still your trash. If you use a lot of _anything_ that has a finite supply it becomes more expensive in the long run. This is an effect of capitalism, not an evil plot. Anything called undeniable usually isn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bivar 0 #2 November 17, 2003 Listen to this man.---------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scratch 0 #3 November 17, 2003 Bill all these truths can be summerised in one quaint South African saying. "As jy dom is sal jy kak" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #4 November 17, 2003 can us english speaking blokes get a translation???? ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalslug 31 #5 November 17, 2003 Quote can us english speaking blokes get a translation???? Literal translation : "If you are dumb, you will shit." (shit used here as verb, implying 'suffer') Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samhussey 0 #6 November 17, 2003 Anyone else read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? Right on! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #7 November 17, 2003 bill were you a hippy in the 60s? Good post btw! "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #8 November 17, 2003 Quote Throwing your trash over the fence into your neighbor's yard does not make it your neighbor's problem. It's still your trash. Quote What about my X-wife, I threw her in the neibors yard and she was trash.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sducoach 0 #9 November 17, 2003 Bill, Genius knows it limitations, stupidity simply abounds. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildblue 4 #10 November 17, 2003 QuoteEveryone - people, companies, and countries - should clean up their own messes. Throwing your trash over the fence into your neighbor's yard does not make it your neighbor's problem. It's still your trash. Does this work the same for throwing it out of your car window?it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #11 November 17, 2003 Beautiful post Bill. You should bump this one from time to time with new undeniables... make it billvons column if you will My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #12 November 17, 2003 QuoteAnything called undeniable usually isn't. Didn't Spock use this line in a Star Trek episode to make some sexy alien's head explode? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Harksaw 0 #13 November 17, 2003 Any message telling you to send it to 10 of your friends is complete and utter lies.__________________________________________________ I started skydiving for the money and the chicks. Oh, wait. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #14 November 17, 2003 Ignorance is cure-able, stupidity is permanent. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #15 November 17, 2003 You conspired with Nietzsche on this list, didn't ya. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shedao 0 #16 November 17, 2003 QuoteAnyone else read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? Right on! A little hard to get through unless you major in Poly Sci but I did read it nonetheless. Required reading for anyone seeking office (IE power and control). It should be called "manipulation 101". I live near DC and learned to distrust politicians at an early age. They are only human. I try to judge them on individual acts, not speech or party affiliation. I sort of pity them. Only a fool would take on such responsibility. But hell someone has to do it. I truly believe that humans will always have a class of "super citizens" ruling the others. It seems natural. Not that I want anything to do with that. I have enough problems just making decisions for myself let alone others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #17 November 17, 2003 The Prince is a good book. Bill, I'd add the following to your list: Beer will be found near skydivers when they are not jumping.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #18 November 17, 2003 QuoteQuoteEveryone - people, companies, and countries - should clean up their own messes. Throwing your trash over the fence into your neighbor's yard does not make it your neighbor's problem. It's still your trash. Does this work the same for throwing it out of your car window? It should. Or even blowing your trash outside your car window. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #19 November 17, 2003 QuoteBill all these truths can be summerised in one quaint South African saying. "As jy dom is sal jy kak" *** Texas Translation ; "If you're gonna be stupid... You better be tough!" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #20 November 17, 2003 you should add one more: Whenever politicians start talking about how "it's for the children", count your spoons, or you won't have any left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VanillaSkyGirl 6 #21 November 17, 2003 QuoteListen to this man. Yes, I certainly do. If Bill takes the time to write something, you can bet that will be worth your time to read it. Bill falls into a special category that (in my eyes) only my older brother fell into pre-Bill. They are both brilliant, yet amazingly down-to-earth...astute, yet incredibly friendly. Edited: The Prince is a very good book... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #22 November 17, 2003 QuoteThere is no limit to how stupid people can be. There is, unfortunately, a limit to how smart people can be. I see that one as the opposite, actually. Luckily, people such as yourself never put limits on yourself with how much you can learn, grow and experience. While I'm often amazed at other people's stupidity, I'm more amazed by the intelligence of others.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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sducoach 0 #9 November 17, 2003 Bill, Genius knows it limitations, stupidity simply abounds. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #10 November 17, 2003 QuoteEveryone - people, companies, and countries - should clean up their own messes. Throwing your trash over the fence into your neighbor's yard does not make it your neighbor's problem. It's still your trash. Does this work the same for throwing it out of your car window?it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #11 November 17, 2003 Beautiful post Bill. You should bump this one from time to time with new undeniables... make it billvons column if you will My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #12 November 17, 2003 QuoteAnything called undeniable usually isn't. Didn't Spock use this line in a Star Trek episode to make some sexy alien's head explode? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harksaw 0 #13 November 17, 2003 Any message telling you to send it to 10 of your friends is complete and utter lies.__________________________________________________ I started skydiving for the money and the chicks. Oh, wait. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #14 November 17, 2003 Ignorance is cure-able, stupidity is permanent. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #15 November 17, 2003 You conspired with Nietzsche on this list, didn't ya. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shedao 0 #16 November 17, 2003 QuoteAnyone else read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? Right on! A little hard to get through unless you major in Poly Sci but I did read it nonetheless. Required reading for anyone seeking office (IE power and control). It should be called "manipulation 101". I live near DC and learned to distrust politicians at an early age. They are only human. I try to judge them on individual acts, not speech or party affiliation. I sort of pity them. Only a fool would take on such responsibility. But hell someone has to do it. I truly believe that humans will always have a class of "super citizens" ruling the others. It seems natural. Not that I want anything to do with that. I have enough problems just making decisions for myself let alone others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #17 November 17, 2003 The Prince is a good book. Bill, I'd add the following to your list: Beer will be found near skydivers when they are not jumping.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 November 17, 2003 QuoteQuoteEveryone - people, companies, and countries - should clean up their own messes. Throwing your trash over the fence into your neighbor's yard does not make it your neighbor's problem. It's still your trash. Does this work the same for throwing it out of your car window? It should. Or even blowing your trash outside your car window. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #19 November 17, 2003 QuoteBill all these truths can be summerised in one quaint South African saying. "As jy dom is sal jy kak" *** Texas Translation ; "If you're gonna be stupid... You better be tough!" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bill2 0 #20 November 17, 2003 you should add one more: Whenever politicians start talking about how "it's for the children", count your spoons, or you won't have any left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #21 November 17, 2003 QuoteListen to this man. Yes, I certainly do. If Bill takes the time to write something, you can bet that will be worth your time to read it. Bill falls into a special category that (in my eyes) only my older brother fell into pre-Bill. They are both brilliant, yet amazingly down-to-earth...astute, yet incredibly friendly. Edited: The Prince is a very good book... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #22 November 17, 2003 QuoteThere is no limit to how stupid people can be. There is, unfortunately, a limit to how smart people can be. I see that one as the opposite, actually. Luckily, people such as yourself never put limits on yourself with how much you can learn, grow and experience. While I'm often amazed at other people's stupidity, I'm more amazed by the intelligence of others.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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