mouth 0 #1601 October 9, 2003 Edited just for you REMMIE -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 27 #1602 October 9, 2003 I feel so special now....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #1603 October 9, 2003 Careful not to get run over by that short bus now, Remmie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #1604 October 9, 2003 We paid $13 per ticket last year. Are they $14 this year (plus boogie fee)? I am too lazy to do a search. It's still a great deal, but paying an extra fifty cents per jump ticket just for using a credit card would be pretty stupid for anyone planning on making a lot of jumps. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #1605 October 9, 2003 QuoteCan I just move in with you But of course you may!QuoteBetsy, is there an advantage / disadvantage to buying prepaid tickets? i.e. is there an extra % for "credit card sales" or is there a discount for "prepaid" tickets vs on the spot tickets? The only advantage is that folks can add more tickets as thier budget allows. This way they don't have to carry a bunch of cash with them. Rather like having a savings account.QuoteWe paid $13 per ticket last year. Are they $14 this year (plus boogie fee)? I am too lazy to do a search. It's still a great deal, but paying an extra fifty cents per jump ticket just for using a credit card would be pretty stupid for anyone planning on making a lot of jumps. There was a $1.00 increase in January 02 for jump tickets for everyone. The .50 cent charge on credit card purchases has been in effect for several years, and was also in effect last year during the holiday boogie. Paying by credit card for 10 jumps will cost you an additional $5. (145.00 vs $140.00) The boogie fee is the same as last year. $25. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #1606 October 9, 2003 Yeah, but we can't expect a DZ to eat the CC costs. There's some serious money in there that businesses have to pay for the "privlage" to use CCs. bah. eitherway, I'm driving in with a few cases of Shiner Bock again, so if you want some, catch me early! We drank all of them in 1 1/2 nights last year. (We as in mainly SM1 and myself)--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #1607 October 9, 2003 Is there a pre registration.... or waiver thing we can do??? Or will the fact I have been jumping out of SD Arizona planes before at LP and Byron do?? Jeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #1608 October 9, 2003 If we don't use all the tickets we buy, will the leftover tickets be refunded before we leave? Hopefully nobody has that problem... Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #1609 October 9, 2003 QuoteIs there a pre registration.... or waiver thing we can do??? Or will the fact I have been jumping out of SD Arizona planes before at LP and Byron do?? Registration is located in the manifest office and will be done at the time of arrival. Your boogie fee will be collected ; your reserve card checked; your USPA (or other governing body if outside the U.S.)membership card checked and your waiver filled out. If you have jumped here within the past 2 years and the information on your waiver has not changed, you will not need to fill out another waiver. It is already on the computer. You will be asked if you have an AAD and how many jumps you have done in the last 6 months. You will need your log book if you do not have a "D" license. You will also need one piece of photo ID (passport, driver's license). *Note* Groundzero...you MUST fill out a waiver form....no getting by on your good looks this time! QuoteIf we don't use all the tickets we buy, will the leftover tickets be refunded before we leave? Hopefully nobody has that problem... Manifest will refund to you one (1) jump ticket. If you have left overs, there are always plenty of takers that will buy them, or you can spot a friend or two a jump. (Sangiro can always use jump tickets) If you are staying longer, you can upgrade your ticket after the boogie, by paying the difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #1610 October 10, 2003 QuoteYeah, but we can't expect a DZ to eat the CC costs. There's some serious money in there that businesses have to pay for the "privlage" to use CCs. Actually, I disagree with you. Merchants that agree to accept credit cards at all also agree to accept them for merchandise and service at the same rate as cash. Technically, the DZs that have separate prices (all of them I've seen) are in violation of their contracts with their credit card merchant account holders. They ought to see this as a business expense like any other, and factor it in accordingly. Businesses that want to give people the flexibility to pay with credit cards (and the ability to overspend the cash they may have) at their establishments have promised to honor the credit cards fairly and equitably, which they are not. They expect us to honor contracts such as waivers, but do not honor theirs with the credit card companies. A small bit of hypocrisy. All that said, what do I do when I go to the DZ? I almost always pay cash, to get the lower price. I'm realistic enough not to think they will change. But as a nitpick, I had to explain that it is wrong. I won't even mention this to a DZO, or person running manifest, because I like to jump. Dropzones have enough to worry about without me (or anyone) making this into a big issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doublespock 0 #1611 October 10, 2003 QuoteCan't wait to see you ALL! Welcome to ARIZONA!! Great Buds, Brews and Views!! Cant wait to see you either. I'll be lookin out for ya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #1612 October 10, 2003 Then they could all just charge $20 a jump ticket and call it even. By doing it this way, they're passing a savings on to you. If they have to eat the cost, then the cost is translated to you.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jfields 0 #1613 October 10, 2003 QuoteThen they could all just charge $20 a jump ticket and call it even. If the difference is $.50, would it break you if the jump ticket cost went up by that much, but was the same for cash or credit? When people pay cash and they don't have to spend the $.50 in processing fees, they could use the money to improve the dropzone in some way. That is as much value to me. QuoteBy doing it this way, they're passing a savings on to you. If they have to eat the cost, then the cost is translated to you. Relines, repacks, closing loops, replacement canopies and such all add up. If they just skip them and pass the savings on, student jumps would be cheaper and more people would jump. Do you think that is a good idea? The point is, are they honest or not? Going back to what I said about contracts... What is the value of a signed contract? Where I work, it is everything. When I enlisted, it meant everything. When I sign a waiver, I take it seriously. If your employer decided not to pay their workers comp insurance bill and you get hurt, should you be screwed because they were trying to pass the savings on to you by paying you a little more instead of paying the bills? No. They have an obligation to fulfill. If they don't want to deal with credit cards according to the rules, there is a really simple answer: don't accept them. No conflict whatsoever. But they don't want to do that, because they want the benefits of them. Dave, the issue really isn't the $.50. If that difference is enough to keep people from jumping, they probably can't afford this sport. Just make one less jump a day if you are tight. The issue is how well the dropzone is run and how professionally they deal with their obligations. As much as I love skydiving and dropzones, a lot of them fall flat on their faces when it comes to business. There are exceptions, and they really stand out. From what I've seen, the successful DZs are also the ones willing to make the tough calls that are in their best long-term interest. For example, giving people jump tickets back and scrubbing a load when the weather dictates that, instead of going ahead anyway. Same idea with bringing down a load of jumpers and giving refunds. Safe operation is in everyone's best interest, and the short term financial benefit doesn't justify the risk. How did I get from a $.50 charge to jumper safety? Ethics and professionalism compared to laxity and greed. See why I'd rather people play straight with the rules even if the tickets are $.50 more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #1614 October 10, 2003 QuoteTechnically, the DZs that have separate prices (all of them I've seen) are in violation of their contracts with their credit card merchant account holders. Acctualy it depends. The agreements with the credit card merchant account services usualy says that the buisiness cannot charge a surcharge for credit card use. However they can do nothing to prevent the merchant from offering a discoutn for cash payment. Most DZ's use this method.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katiebear21 0 #1615 October 10, 2003 QuoteHowever they can do nothing to prevent the merchant from offering a discoutn for cash payment. It's all in the verbage, huh?! .50 per transaction would be rather reasonable. .50 per jump for someone that makes 50 jumps (ie. $34) over the course of the boogie is bullshit. I don't recall paying a .50 surcharge last year and I used my debit card to purchase tickets. Guess I'll pay the $2 ATM Charge and pay cash!Peace, Katie Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFKING 4 #1616 October 10, 2003 QuoteYou will be asked if you have an AAD I'm hoping this is just for statistical data-keeping -- SDA doesn't REQUIRE them, does it ? Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #1617 October 10, 2003 QuoteI used my debit card A debit card is the same as paying cash. Most DZ's do give a cash discount on thier jump tickets. Nothing here has changed. You can use the ATM to pay cash , receive the discount, and save yourself $3 for each 10 tickets purchased. QuoteI'm hoping this is just for statistical data-keeping -- SDA doesn't REQUIRE them, does it ? SDA does not require them, although they are reccomended. Yes it is for statistical purposes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hmatousek 0 #1618 October 10, 2003 Just bought my ticket. I don't know many of you guys but hope to get to meet you there!!! Can't wait to escape the Chicago cold and feel the sunshine!Life doesn't have to be perfect in order to be beautiful! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #1619 October 10, 2003 Heather!!!! I can't wait to party with you there! That rocks! Watch out boys...she's a hottie!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaGimp 0 #1620 October 10, 2003 QuoteWatch out boys...she's a hottie! My kind of woman....cant wait to meet ya doll."Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sunshine 2 #1621 October 10, 2003 QuoteMy kind of woman....cant wait to meet ya doll Back off, she said she wanted to "feel the sunshine" ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaGimp 0 #1622 October 10, 2003 QuoteQuoteMy kind of woman....cant wait to meet ya doll Back off, she said she wanted to "feel the sunshine" whats wrong dear......feel outmatched "Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFKING 4 #1623 October 10, 2003 QuoteBack off, she said she wanted to "feel the sunshine" Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tanja1000ft 0 #1624 October 10, 2003 Not to mention the talent she has at partying hard...espescially if u offer her some jello shots!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katiebear21 0 #1625 October 10, 2003 Guys, be prepared to feel some serious pain... the skychicks are going to REPRESENT! 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AggieDave 6 #1612 October 10, 2003 Then they could all just charge $20 a jump ticket and call it even. By doing it this way, they're passing a savings on to you. If they have to eat the cost, then the cost is translated to you.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #1613 October 10, 2003 QuoteThen they could all just charge $20 a jump ticket and call it even. If the difference is $.50, would it break you if the jump ticket cost went up by that much, but was the same for cash or credit? When people pay cash and they don't have to spend the $.50 in processing fees, they could use the money to improve the dropzone in some way. That is as much value to me. QuoteBy doing it this way, they're passing a savings on to you. If they have to eat the cost, then the cost is translated to you. Relines, repacks, closing loops, replacement canopies and such all add up. If they just skip them and pass the savings on, student jumps would be cheaper and more people would jump. Do you think that is a good idea? The point is, are they honest or not? Going back to what I said about contracts... What is the value of a signed contract? Where I work, it is everything. When I enlisted, it meant everything. When I sign a waiver, I take it seriously. If your employer decided not to pay their workers comp insurance bill and you get hurt, should you be screwed because they were trying to pass the savings on to you by paying you a little more instead of paying the bills? No. They have an obligation to fulfill. If they don't want to deal with credit cards according to the rules, there is a really simple answer: don't accept them. No conflict whatsoever. But they don't want to do that, because they want the benefits of them. Dave, the issue really isn't the $.50. If that difference is enough to keep people from jumping, they probably can't afford this sport. Just make one less jump a day if you are tight. The issue is how well the dropzone is run and how professionally they deal with their obligations. As much as I love skydiving and dropzones, a lot of them fall flat on their faces when it comes to business. There are exceptions, and they really stand out. From what I've seen, the successful DZs are also the ones willing to make the tough calls that are in their best long-term interest. For example, giving people jump tickets back and scrubbing a load when the weather dictates that, instead of going ahead anyway. Same idea with bringing down a load of jumpers and giving refunds. Safe operation is in everyone's best interest, and the short term financial benefit doesn't justify the risk. How did I get from a $.50 charge to jumper safety? Ethics and professionalism compared to laxity and greed. See why I'd rather people play straight with the rules even if the tickets are $.50 more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #1614 October 10, 2003 QuoteTechnically, the DZs that have separate prices (all of them I've seen) are in violation of their contracts with their credit card merchant account holders. Acctualy it depends. The agreements with the credit card merchant account services usualy says that the buisiness cannot charge a surcharge for credit card use. However they can do nothing to prevent the merchant from offering a discoutn for cash payment. Most DZ's use this method.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katiebear21 0 #1615 October 10, 2003 QuoteHowever they can do nothing to prevent the merchant from offering a discoutn for cash payment. It's all in the verbage, huh?! .50 per transaction would be rather reasonable. .50 per jump for someone that makes 50 jumps (ie. $34) over the course of the boogie is bullshit. I don't recall paying a .50 surcharge last year and I used my debit card to purchase tickets. Guess I'll pay the $2 ATM Charge and pay cash!Peace, Katie Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #1616 October 10, 2003 QuoteYou will be asked if you have an AAD I'm hoping this is just for statistical data-keeping -- SDA doesn't REQUIRE them, does it ? Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #1617 October 10, 2003 QuoteI used my debit card A debit card is the same as paying cash. Most DZ's do give a cash discount on thier jump tickets. Nothing here has changed. You can use the ATM to pay cash , receive the discount, and save yourself $3 for each 10 tickets purchased. QuoteI'm hoping this is just for statistical data-keeping -- SDA doesn't REQUIRE them, does it ? SDA does not require them, although they are reccomended. Yes it is for statistical purposes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hmatousek 0 #1618 October 10, 2003 Just bought my ticket. I don't know many of you guys but hope to get to meet you there!!! Can't wait to escape the Chicago cold and feel the sunshine!Life doesn't have to be perfect in order to be beautiful! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #1619 October 10, 2003 Heather!!!! I can't wait to party with you there! That rocks! Watch out boys...she's a hottie!There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaGimp 0 #1620 October 10, 2003 QuoteWatch out boys...she's a hottie! My kind of woman....cant wait to meet ya doll."Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #1621 October 10, 2003 QuoteMy kind of woman....cant wait to meet ya doll Back off, she said she wanted to "feel the sunshine" ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaGimp 0 #1622 October 10, 2003 QuoteQuoteMy kind of woman....cant wait to meet ya doll Back off, she said she wanted to "feel the sunshine" whats wrong dear......feel outmatched "Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #1623 October 10, 2003 QuoteBack off, she said she wanted to "feel the sunshine" Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanja1000ft 0 #1624 October 10, 2003 Not to mention the talent she has at partying hard...espescially if u offer her some jello shots!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katiebear21 0 #1625 October 10, 2003 Guys, be prepared to feel some serious pain... the skychicks are going to REPRESENT! Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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