Air France Jet Missing

[SkydiveJack 1]

This doesn't look good.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31040692/

[Sangi 0]

The aliens like to suck energy from the storms, I think the jet encountered them and they did something to it...

"signaling electrical circuit malfunction."

"Lightning issues have been considered since the beginning of aviation. They were far more prevalent when aircraft operated at low altitudes. They are less common now since it's easier to avoid thunderstorms," said Bill Voss, president and CEO of the Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Va.

He said planes have specific measures built in to help dissipate electricity along the aircraft's skin.

"I cannot recall in recent history any examples of aircraft being brought down by lightning," he told The Associated Press.

Most likely an alien job of some sort..

"Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

[lawrocket 3]

"Flight - try SCE to AUX."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[wolfriverjoe 1,341]

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"Flight - try SCE to AUX."

Yeah, but Air France doesn't have John Aaron as a flight controller (EECOM actually). And how many other NASA geeks are here to understand that one?

This looks real bad. Extreme turbulence in the storm, electrical problems, and the plane is fly-by-wire.
It probably wasn't a lightning strike, the planes are protected against that,

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Sangi 0]

Another cover up of the government...

"Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

[Rookie120 0]

I just hope they find the debis field. I cannot imagine trying to find that thing. Where would you start? It doesn't look good. I just hope it happened quick so the people didn't suffer.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[airtwardo 6]

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...electrical problems, and the plane is fly-by-wire.

If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going.

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[Rookie120 0]

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If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going.

AF has been having trouble with there 777's also. 4 inflight shutdowns in one month tends to have a negative effect on your ETOPS.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[airtwardo 6]

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If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going.

AF has been having trouble with there 777's also. 4 inflight shutdowns in one month tends to have a negative effect on your ETOPS.

I for one became a bit skeptical running twins over the pond WAY back when, especially heavies.

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[quade 3]

1) I can not believe how glib some of you heartless bastards are. Hundreds of people just died. Grow up.

2) I doubt this is electrical or engine related. My guess is we're looking at an in-flight breakup.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Beerlight 0]

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If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going.

AF has been having trouble with there 777's also. 4 inflight shutdowns in one month tends to have a negative effect on your ETOPS.

I heard this particular A330 had GE engines.

Ref your statement, are the shutdowns on the 777 primarily RR engines?

Edit to add: Agree with Quade on probable cause.

[Rookie120 0]

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I for one became a bit skeptical running twins over the pond WAY back when, especially heavies.

I have no problem running twins over the pond. They just had a bad streak with shutdowns. I cannot remember the last shutdown we had on a heavy.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Rookie120 0]

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1) I can not believe how glib some of you heartless bastards are. Hundreds of people just died. Grow up.

What did we say that didn't meet your standards?

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2) I doubt this is electrical or engine related. My guess is we're looking at an in-flight breakup.

WOW! You determined that from watching the news that has given us no usefull information? You should go work for the NTSB. Your good.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Rookie120 0]

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Ref your statement, are the shutdowns on the 777 primarily RR engines?

I think they have a mix of RR's and GE's. Depends on what model 777.

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I heard this particular A330 had GE engines.

I don't know what engine was on wing. I will look into and try to find out.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[MajorDad 0]

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"Flight - try SCE to AUX."

Yeah, but Air France doesn't have John Aaron as a flight controller (EECOM actually). And how many other NASA geeks are here to understand that one?

Apollo 12....

As to Air France.....

Major Dad
CSPA D-579

[wolfriverjoe 1,341]

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1) I can not believe how glib some of you heartless bastards are. Hundreds of people just died. Grow up.

2) I doubt this is electrical or engine related. My guess is we're looking at an in-flight breakup.

CNN.com

The story has been updated since I first saw it, but the original version said the plane "self-reported" both electrical and pressure problems.

The plane had GE engines.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Rookie120 0]

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The story has been updated since I first saw it, but the original version said the plane "self-reported" both electrical and pressure problems.

Sounds like things went to hell quick then. I hope they figure out what the hell happened. The self report that they speak of will for example if I start an engine and it "Hot Starts" will uplink a message VIA ACARS to the engine desk. Before I can tell my supervisor what happened the engine deskis already calling.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Rookie120 0]

Just read a report where France is asking for help from the US Navy to find the wreckage. Sounds like a recovery mission already.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[ryoder 1,384]

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I for one became a bit skeptical running twins over the pond WAY back when, especially heavies.

So you tried to talk that Lindbergh kid out of trying it with just one?

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1) I can not believe how glib some of you heartless bastards are. Hundreds of people just died. Grow up.

What did we say that didn't meet your standards?

Not you, but certainly the first response in the thread joking about "aliens." If you think that's not in poor taste, I don't know what to say.

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2) I doubt this is electrical or engine related. My guess is we're looking at an in-flight breakup.

WOW! You determined that from watching the news that has given us no usefull information? You should go work for the NTSB. Your good.

[lawrocket 3]

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1) I can not believe how glib some of you heartless bastards are. Hundreds of people just died. Grow up.

Hey, Paul. Al I'd heard was about a possible lightning strike and lost telemetry so I made to comment. I figured if it was down they'd get the ELP signal. Such was not reported.

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2) I doubt this is electrical or engine related. My guess is we're looking at an in-flight breakup.

They discussed heading through powerful storms. So I'd expect weather to have something to do with it. IF it hit serious turbulence a breakup could be expected.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[mpohl 1]

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I am constantly surprised and appaled by the level to which people can sink on a public forum.

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1) I can not believe how glib some of you heartless bastards are. Hundreds of people just died. Grow up.

2) I doubt this is electrical or engine related. My guess is we're looking at an in-flight breakup.

[quade 3]

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I figured if it was down they'd get the ELP signal. Such was not reported.

ELT goes off on impact. If it impacts the water, it may be submerged. If submerged it's not going to be able to successfully transmit it's location.

The Flight Data Recorder does have a "pinger" on it. They'd have to send submersibles down to listen for and try to recover it. If it's deep enough water, that's going to be a tough assignment even for robots.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[airtwardo 6]

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+1

I am constantly surprised and appalled by the level to which people can sink on a public forum.

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1) I can not believe how glib some of you heartless bastards are. Hundreds of people just died. Grow up.

2) I doubt this is electrical or engine related. My guess is we're looking at an in-flight breakup.

Oh give me a freakin' break!

What, we're all supposed to be 'Oh the humanity' and sing 'We will overcome' in unison?

We lost over twice that many people on U.S. highways over the Memorial day weekend, where was the outrage and the sympathy threads over THAT?


We on this 'public forum' jump out of airplanes, banter about sex, drugs and An-2's all day ~ and you're appalled?

Suck it up cupcake.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[NickDG 23]

I almost hate to say it, because I'm all for technology, but what I think we have here is the first true "fly by wire" tragedy.

We've all seen this Airbus crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwYAzqvcrQ which really didn't have anything to do with the aircraft, just daft pilots, but in the end I want steel cables between my hands and feet to the aerilons and rudders - not just electrons thank you!

Especially in a thunderstorm . . .

NickD