kenthediver 0 #26 July 17, 2012 in french - "Ek sal you bliksem?" lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #27 July 17, 2012 Quote ...People discriminate based on race as well... There has been a successful lawsuit where a coloured man complained about being denied entry to a disco just because of his colour. Fact is - he only won because the bouncers were very stupid and behaved openly hostile towards him. Others work more "cleverly" and get away with it. There are still so many subtle ways of discriminating against race, gender, place you were born etc... P.S.: "Because of the place someone was born or lives?" -> A woman filed a lawsuit 2 or 3 years ago because she was refused a job merely due to the fact she comes from East Germany - she was given back her application with a red ink remark "Ossi!" which along with other remarks showed she was refused the job just because of being "Ossi" (would be "Eastie" in English) - She lost the lawsuit. The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #28 July 17, 2012 FWIW, it still happens in the US, too. For example, many employment want ads for various professionals openly solicit applicants with "3 to 5 years experience", presumably so they don't have to train a raw rookie but still don't want to pay too much for a more experienced (read: older) candidate. Sure, they can claim the ad is facially age-neutral; and yes, some people do go back to school and become doctors, lawyers, or engineers in middle age, but the truth is that 90+% of all professionals with 3 to 5 years experience are under age 40. In all but window dressing, it's open, blatant age discrimination, but nobody does anything about it, so it persists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Born2Late 0 #29 July 18, 2012 "That's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard... Every place on earth has it's flaws..." You chose to move to a culture w/VERY entrenched sexism. What did you think? That they were going to change for you? Quit your crying or move. France isn't going to change anytime soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #30 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteYou chose to live in another culture. You knew what they were like, going in. You don't like it? Leave. Quit your crying. They might call you a little girl. That's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard... Every place on earth has it's flaws... And you associate highlighting a problem with "crying" and being a "little girl"... Like either of those things is negative (it's not)... Grow up. I think what he was trying to say is MAN up. Okay, NOW, I can post in your "do you go too far" post.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fearjoburg 0 #31 July 18, 2012 Quote in french - "Voulez vous coucher avec moi?" lol Fixed it for you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #32 July 18, 2012 Quote "That's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard... Every place on earth has it's flaws..." You chose to move to a culture w/VERY entrenched sexism. What did you think? That they were going to change for you? Quit your crying or move. France isn't going to change anytime soon. That's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard... Right back at you, mate! If people do not speak out, nothing will ever change. I applaud people like Nataly who stand up for themselves. However, on a very different note, sexism always seems to anger/offend me way more when it comes from women. It doesn't matter whether the sexism is directed at other women, at men in general or at me personally. I somehow feel that, given the history of the strife for equal rights, women should know better than that. But I tend to be naive in these things, I guess."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #33 July 18, 2012 QuoteYou chose to move to a culture w/VERY entrenched sexism. What did you think? That they were going to change for you? Quit your crying or move. France isn't going to change anytime soon. Genius! You have just found the solution with 2 great options - HOORAY, now I can stop crying!! OPTION 1 - accept that there is a problem and do nothing. Yep. Most of the world's problems get fixed this way. OPTION 2 - move... Since I don't know of a single place that ISN'T sexist, I guess this means I have to win the lottery and buy myself a desert island..."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #34 July 18, 2012 QuoteI guess this means I have to win the lottery and buy myself a desert island... Why would you have to buy one...couldn't you just move there, it's deserted?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #35 July 18, 2012 Quote Quote I guess this means I have to win the lottery and buy myself a desert island... Why would you have to buy one...couldn't you just move there, it's deserted? I could, but what's to stop other people moving in??! "There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 July 18, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I guess this means I have to win the lottery and buy myself a desert island... Why would you have to buy one...couldn't you just move there, it's deserted? I could, but what's to stop other people moving in??! Shore emplacements Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #37 July 18, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote I guess this means I have to win the lottery and buy myself a desert island... Why would you have to buy one...couldn't you just move there, it's deserted? I could, but what's to stop other people moving in??! Shore emplacements She already lives in a place like that Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #38 July 18, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I guess this means I have to win the lottery and buy myself a desert island... Why would you have to buy one...couldn't you just move there, it's deserted? I could, but what's to stop other people moving in??! Shore emplacements She already lives in a place like that I know.. but with the state of things.. and this being "Bonfire" I dare not utter the "G" word. It was really hard finding a piccie that did not include any with a search using shore emplacements Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Born2Late 0 #39 July 19, 2012 "That's about the dumbest argument I've ever heard... Right back at you, mate! If people do not speak out, nothing will ever change. I applaud people like Nataly who stand up for themselves." Your opinion is duly noted... Speak out all you want to France. You ain't gonna change shit. You can either keep beating your head against the wall. Or, you can leave. France won't give a crap either way, & neither will I. I never said I supported sexism. I never said I think it's right. However, it most certainly IS entrenched in France. Lotsa Luck w/that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #40 July 19, 2012 >You chose to move to a culture w/VERY entrenched sexism. What did you think? That >they were going to change for you? Quit your crying or move. France isn't going to >change anytime soon. Eh, people said that about the US 50 years ago. Then people started demanding change. And it worked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Born2Late 0 #41 July 19, 2012 Option 1- If you were a global problem solver? I think you'd know by now... Option 2- Sexism is equally oppressive everywhere in the world? Who is the sexist??? You picked a European bastion for it. Deal w/it. You missed one option altogether: Option 3- Step up & excel in your professional life, anyway. If you could do that. I think you would have. Accept it, keep beating your head against a wall, or leave. I really don't care which, & neither does France. You want respect? Earn it. Nobody respects a Whiner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Born2Late 0 #42 July 19, 2012 "Eh, people said that about the US 50 years ago. Then people started demanding change. And it worked." You want to compare our unique country w/age old Europe??? Apples & Oranges, BV. I do remember watching a Youtube vid a few years ago. Young people were peaceably protesting w/a sit-in in Denmark. The police rolled up & clubbed them like seals... France's sexism is very well entrenched. It isn't going anywhere. That country has far bigger problems on its hands than the OP's crying about her perceived wrongs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #43 July 19, 2012 watever...men have been given the burden to deal with this dog eat dog world. If a woman has what it takes to become a spineless/loveless little bitch and give men a run for their money, then so be it. (if that's what she really wants) But I can't stand wannabe bitches operating out of place and complaining when they lose and get eatin' themselves...what did you expect, for us to kiss you ass? Stay home, clean, cook, raise the kids and you'll get all the ass workout you can handle...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #44 July 19, 2012 Haven't heard a good argument from you yet - just petty insults. Just goes to show you have nothing valid to say."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #45 July 19, 2012 ...and that post wasn't directed at Natly specifically...just a personal rant...but it felt good, and it's the truth.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #46 July 19, 2012 Quote If a woman has what it takes to become a spineless/loveless little bitch and give men a run for their money, then so be it. We've got a lot of women in my field. Many of them are very damn good at it, better than many of the guys. Doesn't seem to be a gender divide that I can see, just an abliities divide, Quote But I can't stand wannabe bitches operating out of place and complaining when they lose and get eatin' themselves... I hate whiners of BOTH genders, and believe me, I work with a bunch of them. Quote what did you expect, for us to kiss you ass? Stay home, clean, cook, raise the kids and you'll get all the ass workout you can handle... I think all Nataly wanted was a shot at some of the better jobs, not a 1950's housewife role. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Born2Late 0 #47 July 19, 2012 QuoteHaven't heard a good argument from you yet - just petty insults. Just goes to show you have nothing valid to say. Then you're not listening. I'm not surprised. Carry on, carrying on... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #48 July 19, 2012 >You want to compare our unique country w/age old Europe??? Apples & Oranges, BV. Nope. But the same things were said about us back then. We did it. Other "age old" countries have done it. So can they, if enough people want to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Born2Late 0 #49 July 20, 2012 People came to these shores for a clean slate. Rampant sexism persists in France specifically because the majority of French society wants it to. You could put a hundred OPs over there, whining for a year straight. It wouldn't change that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamUK 3 #50 July 20, 2012 QuoteRampant sexism persists in France specifically because the majority of French society wants it to. Have you lived in France? Spent any time in Europe at all? Just asking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
