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My attention span will not allow that. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

ditto Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

very impressive...especially to freak out the guy inside. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

I prefer nekkid but I had to vote undies for the time being with 3 daughters (2,3, & 8) that like to climb in bed between me and the hunny in the middle of the night. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

that line was crossed miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles ago Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

If this is about to be locked please let it be done with a repost of this. Someone asked "How can I help her out?" If you would like to contribute call (417)-672-2572 or write: Bank of Ash Grove Shayna Richardson Medical Fund Highway 160 Ash Grove, MO 65604 Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

Someone asked "What is Industrial Haze?" It is a local dzs only membership discussion forum that Shayna and Rick are members of. Someone asked "How can I help her out?" If you would like to contribute call (417)-672-2572 or write: Bank of Ash Grove Shayna Richardson Medical Fund Highway 160 Ash Grove, MO 65604 Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

yup kill him with kindness...let him wonder the rest of his life what it could have been rather then reveling in what it wasn't. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

after just reading the clit thread I'd say that numbers climbing fast....and damn it to all the wife fell asleep already. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

I would have to agree with the girls here....steady action is the win...changes in pace screw it all up. And road head is the best...especially unexpected Wow I have to stop clicking on these type threads or I'm gonna burn for sure. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

Check out Sodoku http://www.sodokuweb.com/sodoku_puzzles.htm Now this is fun. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

prayers commencing...God Bless ya Chris Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

For this newly reborn Christian boy this thread has been like a train wreck....ya can't help but slow down and check it out....I must go bleach my eyes now and try to rattle these thoughts from my head...oh how I wish my wife didn't have her aunt visiting Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

-ditto on the coke cup spitoon...luckily I realized quickly and ran outside and spit it out and scrubbed my tongue. -ditto on the milk but once again I caught it in time to run to the restaurant's bathroom and spit it out. -as far as alcohol, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet...one word...Jagermiester...blec!!! Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

I see a future skydiver....if he makes it. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

Seeing as the canopy opened and flew fine before the brake was accidentally released this would not be the case. This rig was also jumped by Rick just before Shayna's jump on it and it opened and flew fine. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

Ok first about the main "malfunction". It was a pilot error induced malfunction. I also, wish they would mention that it was a correctable malfunction, but instead she chose to cut it away due to her "freaking out". Yes, it is a direct quote from Rick that Shayna says she "freaked out"....plain and simple. She understands in hind-sight what she should have done and kicks herself for it. As far as it being Rick's lack of instruction, here's a new tidbit of information to derail that gossip. Rick did not teach her the FJC. It was a different instructor that taught her this course at their home dz. She was throughly shown all EPs from a hanging harness by this other instructor (who will remain nameless) that has taught thousands of FJCs. So this is a non-issue. The reserve also malfunctioned and nobody knows, or will know why. The FAA has cleared the rigger (who will also remain nameless) of any negligence, and rightly so. While this is also a non-issue and not the cause of the incident, it is the effect or the reason for the freak accident. Yes a FREAK ACCIDENT!!! That's all. Now about them coming to my home dz (in AR) instead staying at their own (in MO)....I don't know their exact reason other then the gossip I've read here, but I do know it wasn't that they "drove to another DZ, far enough away from our local one so as not to get caught". The dz in Siloam is the next closest dz to theirs and we all visit each others dz several times a year. Yes they may have come because they did want to jump together, but it wasn't a matter of "getting caught". This is also a non-issue. If your looking for someone to blame over all this, Shayna says "blame me". This whole incident boils down to lack of experience, not lack of instruction. In hind sight it's easy for all of us to know what we would have done if it was us, and she now knows what she should do if it happens again. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right? Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

120 + 30 lbs for gear = 150lbs ==> ~.9:1 wingloading. Too high for an AFF student IMO. Things are alreaady going bad when the reserve ripcord is pulled. No need to have a reserve smaller than the main. I was figuring 15-20 lbs for gear as it wasn't a typical student rig. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

That is too small a reserve for an AFF student of Shayna's size. Tempos are smaller than their advertised size, IIRC. Tempos are smaller than a PD (or other reserve measured with PD's method) of the same advertised size. See riggerrob's post below. It is disheartening to hear of rated instructors with such disregard for student safety. Not argueing your point but only offering a little more info for better clarification. It was also stated to me in the phone conversation that Shayna weighed 120#. Which would put her reserve w/l at .79 - .82. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

so it should be lisamariewannabee? Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

Prayers sent Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

The 190 crammed into a smaller container doesnt bother me as much as what size reserve was in there. You can fit a much larger main in the main tray (I wouldnt recommend it, and it would be one ugly pack job) but that part doesnt scare me too much. Its the reserve... Does some one KNOW what was the reserve? I agree that that's the single most glaring piece of missing information here. And a very important one. I'm beginning to wonder if we'll have to wait for the Parachutist report to find out. I just got off the phone with Rick and he has asked me to make a post. Because he and Shayna are on this whirlwind tour they have been unable to keep up with the four threads about her accident. I described to him what appears to me to be the biggest issues on peoples minds here. 1. Why hasn't the instructor spoke up with his statement? As stated above they've been a little busy. Plus he does not desire to get in any kind of pissing match, and end up posting something hot-headed which he later regrets. He acknowledges his temperment and that this has happened before on my local area members only skydiving forum, and he doesn't want a repeat of that. I suggested to him, that to save his reputation, he should make one simple, factual, well thought out statement to put the general skydiving public's minds to rest by hearing the facts straight from the horse's mouth. He plans to do this as soon as he can. 2. What size was the reserve? According to Rick AND Shayna it was a Tempo 170. So that would mean the rig was a Reflex designed for a 135 main with a Tempo 170 reserve, but a SabreII 190 replaced the main. The oversized main is not an issue in the accident since it opened correctly and flew before the self-induced "malfunction". 3. Why are they on this media tour essentially giving the sport a black eye? I explained to him that alot of people are upset over their idea that an accident in skydiving discussed in the media is thought of as bad press. Even though that is not their intentions, and they are trying to bill this as a survival story, it is still thought of as bad press to those that are cold hearted and don't understand the circumstances. As stated earlier by Katie (Shayna's aunt), and now to me by Rick, they are not making profit on this other then free trips to the shows filming locations. Their main prupose for this media tour is to put the word out of Shayna's medical fund that has been set up to cover the many bills. He has also requested that people keep their opinions to themselves....i.e. If it was me then I would have blah blah blah. Discussion about facts that are pertinate to training are understandable, but to just throw out slander is not necessary. Personally I did not want to get involved in this gossip machine other then the one post I had already made about their picture, but he asked me to do this so I did. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

Well the first (at least) $30,000 (10%) would go to my church building fund so then maybe we can get out of our tiny little metal shack of a building we are currently renting. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

Thanks for doing this Steve.....awesome. Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.

I wondered the same, and when I asked if it would be "Crash", I remember something in the response about "Lucky". Huh?!? What cloud?!? Oh that!!! That's just Industrial Haze Alex M.