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Science may be evolving, but the truth is not. Learning, however, that is evolving, both in the scientific fields and in the spiritual fields. But you will say that the spiritual fields are baseless, why couldnt we say the same thing about the scientific fields? All Im saying is that if one knows all the science in the world, but does not have love in his heart, perhaps he didnt learn as much as he thought he did? Given the unexplainable phenomenon in the universe, it doesnt makes sense, to me, to bet all my money on mans knowledge of his surroundings alone, but also to at least explore the deeper connections of life (as they relate to that specific individual) Okay, so you do believe life has purpose, at least we have some common ground. Why is it okay to study all philosophys in school, but not the philosophy Jesus? This seems more like a political thing to me. Learning is about deciding for yourself what is right, best and true... I think everything should be at least examined. But, if it does bother you that much, I understand, I just dont see the detriment in studying lessons in morality. And again, its not my message, its a message I believe in. And dont worry so much, the schools are already starting to force God out... many things for that matter... your actually getting what you want and arguing that your not. Im not arguing the evolution of the earth, or how God created things, im saying that the earth is good, and seems to know whats best for its sustainment. I am however arguing that it is perfectly designed to sustain life, whether you accept it is from an unimaginably creative force of wisdom or not. Not only that, that life is much more than just being alive. Its the feeling of being alive as well, and yes, thats a good feeling. Whether or not you believe in something beyond you, emotions, desires, hopes, and dreams are still apart of our makeup. The greatest and seemingly most sought after are life to the fullest, and Love. If you have love you are full of life, but there is no "proof" of that for you to lay on a table and examine. To know things that are true means you are knowledgeable, it doesnt mean you are wise, unless your saying that knowledge is wisdom? We are animals, but we seem to be one of the more intelligent and reasonable ones, some may argue. There is something about us that separates us from animals and I dont believe it is death. Some also may argue that we're already dead and that death is the beginning of life. Look at before you came into being, you were dead, then were alive, then go back to dead, never to be alive again? How do you know that? You would have a greater agrument against me if you said that life will die, because contrary to popular belief, you dont belong to yourself, you belong to life, and whatever purpose it has for you will be satisfied with or without your knowledge of it. So, in time, life will become non-existant from the universe... this is the best side of your argument in this discussion. Im glad your not a mocker, it means your still open to understanding the more "inferior minds" of any believer. As humans, we tend to only need things when we really need them. I respect and understand your comment on not needing God, I just hope that if you ever did, you would at least look where you may least expect to. Maybe our purpose is not to know but to understand that we really dont know anything. From that, we might find a deeper understanding that surpasses knowledge. Definitly had an impact in those views though huh? Whether he was real or not, his influence is sealed in the earth. If you think many have believed in Jesus because they knew he was real, then you may be missing the point. It is the message that people believe in. Pretty influencial message for a guy who never lived if you ask me. Everyone follows some sort of religion, sorry. Everyone believes in something. You just dont believe the Gospel, as far as I can tell. And I will assume you have read at least one of them, since there really is no way for me to know for sure if you have or havent. If you dont believe in anything, or follow anything, then you are closer to a Nialist (and I know thats not how you spell it!) Sorry man, I think we all do this dont we? I havent branded anyone here as far as I know. I have branded a belief system, just as you have me for the sake of discussion. I can only respond to people with the information they give me, I didnt mean to fire you up or antagonize you. My intent is to share, please dont take it as attack. I dont think Jesus came attacking everyone, he merely testified to what he knew, but im not Jesus, just a humble and grateful follower, a sheep. Ill have to go back and re-read "para 7" "We didn't start the fire"

I believe the truth is in the heart of the words and the greatest revelations are in the stories, so I guess im not a fundamentalist. "We didn't start the fire"

Light is relative as it relates to our inner being. If you dont understand, you dont understand. "We didn't start the fire"

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You may feel differently someday. The soul is a very deep thing. It becomes increasingly difficult to satisfy it with objects of the flesh. Eat, fuck, skydive all you want, but at least stay open to the deeper desires of the soul as they begin to hunger more and more. "We didn't start the fire"

I beieive that God is invisible, spirit, light, and power. Does make me a fundamentalist? Just out of curiousity? "We didn't start the fire"

No worries man... its Wisdoms work to enlighten. Nevertheless, there is an amazing group of randomly charged particles that unite in such a brilliant way, beyond human intelligence, that allows us to move, think, breath... live. You already know that I believe life is a miracle. If there is wisdom in miracles, and people dont believe in miracles, how could they even begin to understand that wisdom? Instead, most people only find wisdom in what they know, instead of in what they cant understand, but one should seek both places. NOt knowing is different than not believing. "We didn't start the fire"

***...To those that are born in a more fortunate facet of society and a real CUNT to those that are not... Quote Hmmm... that has not been my observation at all. In my observation it is the poor in the most humble environments that seem to posess the ability to hope in God, moreso, than they that have "everything." Either way, reading some of your other posts, you tend to lean towards exactly what Jesus is saying. Love one another, but this concept does not work with those who dont recognize its importance as it relates to the earth, not the world we created on it. Many of your posts suggest that nature is in harmony, and since we are nature, and not seperate of it, that we can be found to be in harmony with it as well. I believe the same thing. Amongst many other spiritual truths that are not always (im just gonna say never for me) experienced nor even heard in the churches. It seems your upbringing has had a dramatic affect on your belief in Jesus as the Christ, yet you sound like his voice in many ways. You want to save the world and Christ brought salvation to it. Your sign off alone makes me see that you have a connection with truth. People have to find love in themselves, (not for themselves), first, they have to believe in its power first before they can even begin to overcome the love of power, which is much deceptive and underestimated than many of us give credit for. "We didn't start the fire"

Heaven is within you. The ressurection is about hope. Hope gives life. Why are you so certain you wont enter Heaven? No one knows what God has planned, no one knows the future of life. What we do know is that God is good, real good and his love is great and true. His grace has softened the hardest of hearts. Try not to underestimate the power of a love inspired hope. Im sorry you have met such bad examples of Jesus. Poor, humble, full of love for you. Merry Christmas, EVE!! "We didn't start the fire"

No, Im just saying that if you find truth, wisdom got you there. I do follow you, but I disagree. I believe life has purpose, and you simply dont. But, Im not just saying that because I believe in Jesus. For me, thats a no-brainer, as everything I have seen (thats apart of nature) has some sort of purpose. For you, its also a no-brainer to say that life does not have purpose. No worries, we'll just leave it at that... at least you seem to use class when someone disagrees with you... its appreciated. you mean like a jumping stalker or something? But your right, it is your purpose, and in the grand scheme of things, is just as important as anyone elses. Ive always said to follow your heart, the path that it takes us down is quite remarkable to say the least. Well, its 0530 in the morning over here and Im just about to get off work. I think im about to get fired thanks to my interest in these forums. "We didn't start the fire"

With a few subtle differences yes. There is a peace inside all of us, it is annoyed constantly by worrys, concerns and so forth of this world, not the earth, but the world of domination that we have created on the earth. That peace belongs to nature, nature, wisdom, truth (seperate them or not, really doesnt matter) When we are at one with that peace, we are living by the truth of nature. That is, nature provides, nature nurtures, nature cares, guides, and teaches, but we have designed a world apart from nature, world of man, where many things appear good and many appear evil, nevertheless, where truth is hidden until it is revealed. True peace goes beyond understanding, beyond, thought, beyond knowledge ect... it is powerful, I dont get to touch it everyday, but I know its there. I dont know how else to explain this. A murderer is on trial, he's guilty, but no one could find the evidence to convict him. Just because they couldnt find the truth, doesnt mean it wasn't there. No, not really, the point is that life is designed in truth, and thats why we have a connection with it. Its also designed in goodness, which is why we have a connection with that as well. "We didn't start the fire"

The bubble is the earth that seems to be perfectly designed to sustain life. Unless Ive totally missed something? This is actually a good point. The point I was trying to make is that wisdom and truth was here before our revelation of them. Most good wisdom is true, and most truth is good wisdom. Picture a scratch off lottery card... as the wisdom is scratched away, the truth is revealed. I guess in your analogy one could say as the light is shone, the vision appears. Without the light, one couldnt see the vision, without wisdom, one cant see the truth. Instead, if someone had the light, they would see the vision, and if someone had wisdom, they would see the truth. So, light=vision, and wisdom=truth. On this one you and I are only going round and round. If the argument is that life has no purpose, as many atheist believe, why are you continuing to argue against what many atheist believe? No purpose, means no benefit, means no caring, means no preservation... clearly you are acknowledging that there is intelligent purpose in life. Me, no. but that doesnt mean that the influence surrounding that particular life was not felt or used in thought in ways it was not aware of at the time. And though gone from the earth, the influence remains in the hearts and minds of those who understood them, or dare I say loved them. But, here we are arguing what/if anything, happens when you die. One thing to consider is that if life dies, never to be brought back into existance again, how could it have ever existed in the first place? Still, no one answers this question... and Ive asked it several times now. Once again, your happiness is a purpose. Its not at all about needing more afterwards J. Its about your given right to hope in this life. So your happy with everything, thats great, but what if you were to lose it all, and that does happen.? Hope is not designed to make you crave the afterlife, it is designed to fill you with life now. Agreed. some are right arent they? But as far as Jesus is concerned, it wasnt what was taught that gave the truth, it was what was given, and what was given has been doing the teaching. Its not my grace, its Gods grace. Either way, if you acknowledge that some are right at least, then I would be very open to hear some of the ones you speak of. I am always open to wisdom, I sincerely do not care where it comes from. "We didn't start the fire"

You are really testing my patience, so I appreciate that. Drink it up, he died for you also. "We didn't start the fire"

Your missing the point. I swear, I think your just an argumentative person who doesnt read anything... your beginning to lose my interest. Wisdom is truth, or does that not make any sense to you? staying alive, yes, as I wrote in my earlier post, but also comfort, as I also wrote in that post. So your focus is on survival, as was mine, instincts as well, all of them, but, humans have something that goes beyond instinct, even beyond survival... Nevertheless, why would life, that you claim has no purpose, care about staying alive? Never return? And you know this because of your extensive knowledge of death. The very thing that no one living has any concept of. So, with no concept of it, your just going to rob yourself of any hope? So, you think this world exists for your pleasure, get the most out of it that you can because thats all you get? But you dont know that, and yet assume with 100 percent certainty that you do. Your probably not in a position to find hope yet because you sound like everything has been handed to you on a silver platter. Go tell that to some of the more humble envioronments, who had no choice, no opprotunity to be anything but poor... but you will find, they have great faith and great hope in spite of thier humble beginnings. The greater good. "We didn't start the fire"

Now who sounds like a gullible and selfish pig headed idiot. You know, I thought for sure you might have a stronger heart based on many of your previous posts, but you clearly have very little understanding toward anyone who doesnt believe the way you do. To speak with someone so vulgar and foul is a fruitless waste of time. I am however, glad you have everything all figured out. Now, sense we know where you stand, and youve offered little to nothing new, how about you refrain from posting on this subject until you can find the fault in yourself you speak so openly against others with? So, just assume that Christians hate the earth, and are responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs or whatever extinct creature your speaking of... wow, talk about naivety. That Christians, not the selfishness of Pride are responsible soley for the problems of the world. Even though, the Gospel speaks a great deal of selflessness... not really understanding that one? Oh, and Im really sure that the atomic bomb was developed by Christians for the sake of spreading their message of money, power, and greed.. sarcasm intended. If I was without restraint, I would personally tell you what I really thought of your completely ridiculous, and extremely elementary view on the "magic" of life. You are filled with bitterness and ignorance. The complete lack of regard for anyone elses faith is further testimony to the shallowness in your own heart. Sorry, but there is a truth as far as which way is the right way to go to ensure a better, more fulfilling life for both us and the future generations. Know this though, I did not form the society that threatens what you want... I am a product of the same society, and what I follow is a revolutionary way of thought that keeps the corrupt and empty way of that pre-established society far from influencing my heart. Are you speaking of the selfishness your presenting right now, or that of somone like mother theresa? But, Im seeing more and more that what Rhys says, goes... you must be the truth, especially with such sensativity toward everyone. "We didn't start the fire"

Fair enough. But, I could make a video mocking what he believes as well, it wouldnt make it more true or less true. Throughout all of the entire universe, time and space as we know it, eternity, there is an existance, a being, a force, called life. We do exist as one with the entire universe right now, even as I type, and as you read. Everything that science proves is already proven, all they do is find what was already true, call it a proven fact, and move to find more things that are already true. This is great, if your a scientist, but if your a little different in makeup (as you seem to think I am) this doesnt come close to addressing the deeper wonders, questions, curiositys, and yes even fears of the heart. Not only that, atheiest beleive that life/we has/have absolutley no purpose in this universe.. to me, its fine if they cant find a relationship with God, but then they go and thrive by mocking others that have found one. Then on top of that, one of their greatest arguments against believers is that we are the ones “cramming our faith down thier throats”, when they seem to be guilty of the same thing. Calling us self-righteous hypocrites and giving supporting examples why their "self-righteousness"- all knowing (gonna find out attitude) is less hypocritical and more true. The truth is that we are both hypocrites and we both can be accused of self-righteousness or narcisism, but that doesnt mean we cant love and understand each other. Either way, Many atheist belive that before our existance of time and space, there was nothing, or another existance, dimension, whatever. Then snap. A gigantic explosion occurs for no reason, out of nothing and fashions itself like a bubble in the universe, then life, shows up, with also no purpose whatsoever except surivival, (which seems to be purpose to me)... Now, life just randomly after billions and billions of years (which no man alive would even have a grasp of how old that is) just magically indwells this bubble in a way that couldnt be more perfectly designed to sustain life. To me, to think that the universe or life does not have wisdom, (wisdom to adapt, to evolve, to know and identify truth,) doesnt make any sense. Wisdom is not einsteins theory of relativity, or E=MC2, Those things arent true because einstein made them true, wisdom makes them true, and einstein found that wisdom. (youll have to debate that one in your own head) but you get my point I hope. On top of that there is the issue of beauty, a magestic scene makes us feel a strong and good connection. Why, would a life that has no purpose connect with the nature of the earth so well (perhaps because we belong to it, just as the earth belongs to the universe?)? What is that feeling of goodness and why would it be relevant to a life that has no purpose? In fact, why would we feel anything? And if feeling is a part of the universe, what are the greatest ones, and which ones inspire us through revelations of truth. Ever notice how wisdom is truth? Again, why would a being with no purpose even care about truth? Unless maybe, just maybe there is some wisdom in the life we share in. Then there is the issue of eternal death. Most atheist believe that once your dead, your eternally dead, never to find, or be brought into another existance ect... Im sure Life may have something different to say. Why is it so easy to believe in eternal death, but not eternal life, if both of them exist in eternity? Why was the greatest man to walk the earth (in the eyes of Christianity) teaching lessons in humbleness, humility, freedom, hope, faith, peace, and love, especially in a time and place where he absolutely knew for certain he would be horribly executed for preaching those things? And how/why did a very very small population of the earth (the apostles) give their entire lives unto death for the glory of the message the Christ brought? Under greater persecution and fear than many of us will ever know. Oh, thats right, to get rich and to control the world after they died... surely it would have absolutely nothing to do with sharing and spreading the love they found around? Now just because some got the message wrong, doesnt mean it is wrong, and everyone who chimes in on these forums in this regard, at least owes it to themselves to read just one Gospel with seek in the heart, at least so they would know what message they mock. Why mock a message that God loves us and wants us to love one another.. just because you dont believe it?? Those who share in the mockery are mockers themselves, like ignorant sheep mocking what they dont understand and claiming all along they are the ones with free thought and confronting everyone who challenges them to think a little deeper than just what meets the eyes. So I back out, trhough the atmosphere and into the peaceful power of space and I look down on the earth and into a world that does not know that peaceful power... yet. The key to it is in the heart of everyone. When wisdoms peace (that I believe comes from eternal grace) becomes one with the peace of its creation, there naturally would be some sort of universal change. But, whatever story was written for life on earth will be played out until its full purpose is satisfied. Thoughts make words, words make stories, stories make lessons. The greatest thoughts become greatest words, the greatest stories come from the heart, and the greatest lessons are lessons in good... Why? Why would insignificant, random beings be concerned at all with truth and goodness? Coincidentally enough, both truth and goodness have ushered some of the greatest innovations and revelations of comfort since the beginning. Thats very curious to me, especially when Im supposed to believe that we have no purpose. So, first, was nothing, then life, then nothing again and to be ever again... even though science has "proven" that something actually did come from nothing (radically indescribable, which im all ears to by the way)?>?@#?? I dont know, but Im sure you guys are actually right. As far as the Symbolysm and Literalness, the bible is a complilation of stories, fiction to some, non-fiction to others. It doesnt matter what words get put where or how there are used, or whether you see the stories on a cartoon or the discovery channel... what matters are the lessons you learn from the stories.. the lessons taught me what is real in my life. I find it at least intriguing that Jesus came to fulfill, all the things previously written about so that Gods people would have salvation and the joyous hope of eternal life. Whether he was a madman (as the world sees it) or the absolute truth of the universe, he operated in a spirit so unreckognizable that it was cast out of "existance" (which I still have a hard time understanding something being banned from existance as it relates to eternity). Yet, still, has one of the most remarkable influences of any who have lived before and since. Many of you dont believe the story, thats fine, but it doesnt mean you cant get the lessons at least, and find value in them. I wonder what someone from another planet would write about in just one visit to our world? Im sure there would be many things not immediately understood, and many things that seem quite unbeivable as well. If more of us went into Jesus' world, the world would be a better place. (Im sure you'll copy and paste that one!) In any event, people mock what they do not understand, and the ones who think this guy is brilliant are following the mockery and therefore admitting they dont understand as well. Until a man stops going head to head with that which gives them life, he will not know true humbleness... when the cards fall, he will always be for himself, which is one of the greatest problems in the todays worldly society... Im sorry if you dont agree. But no one has addressed any of this guys' questions.. all Ive heard is he is brilliant, mostly because he speaks what most of you have found yourself believing without doubt. Funny how believers get bashed for doubtless belief, but atheists (believe it or not) stand in a form of doubtless belief as well. "We didn't start the fire"

No argument as far as the importers are concerned. I speaking of the consumers. Its much less risky to drive across the border with 2 or 3 kilos of cocaine than it is to come across with 50 pounds of marijuana. Im not speaking of the penalty, im speaking of the actual moving itself. Think what you want, most people are buying their "weed" from frineds, who know freinds, who know freinds who GROW. As I said before are not due to the plant itself, but the legalities involved. If people are killing because they can get weed into america, then maybe we should address why they are trying to get it here so badly in the first place? No one is arguing that weed is not a habit, or that it doesnt have negative implications on its users, but come on, someday, soon Im sure, they'll say that someone cant have children because of all the cell phone usage, or fast food eaten, or hoards of adrenaline pumping through their system as a result of extreme sports... Someone always knows someone now dont they? I would love to hear more about the sterile thing from a doctor to be honest... that sounds ridiculous to me, and I have heard that of course before. But if there is solid difinitive evidence, then I havent heard it yet. Of course, I always reserve the right to be wrong. "We didn't start the fire"

I believe your right as far as the religions themselves are concerned, but some may argue there is a "war", within our thoughts... what you believe shapes what you are, and what you are is part of a story. "We didn't start the fire"

Fair enough, Ive had different experiences, and have gone to work drunk plenty of times, when even bosses have known, and have never been fired for it, or not hired because of it. Now, weed on the otherhand has caused plenty of problems, in most of my freinds' lives, and some of my familys as well. I personally have not seen anyone lose a job because of alcohol, and I was in food and beverage, golf course maint., construction, military, retail, guitar sales, and overseas contracting.. etc.. never seen it one time. But weed on the otherhand.. . Your using the effects of the drugs still as an example. Beer bottle, unopened, sober driver, felony state... still ok... joint, sober driver, felony state, not okay. We have had different experiences on the differences of marijuana and alcohol and how they affected our lives and the people around us. In my exp. weed has brought many more problms to my observation as far as the law is concerned. The alcohol problems were not because of the alcohol, but the situations associated with its consumption that broke the law. Weed, you dont even have to consume to have problems with it. I personally have never met anyone who got a dui and wasnt under the influence, but its a good point and something I havent had to think about yet... "Wrongful DUI"? Still your right, but, breaking the law is a risk, one that everyone takes everyday... there are many many laws in the world... follow the laws as much as your life will allow, but I wouldnt pretend your not a lawbreaker. I always hate getting speeding tickets from cops that drive way faster than I do. I understand we have to have speed laws enforced, but everyone breaks that law dont they? More laws more risk management I guess. "We didn't start the fire"

In Reply To Sorry, I forgot the implied you. Why beleve in something that doesnt make sense to you. "We didn't start the fire"

The truth allows us to experience God. There are "religions" without truth, and there are people who follow them without belief as well. The truth can only be revealed to the individual as you can only believe what you were can.. I mean, why believe in something that doesnt make sense? "We didn't start the fire"

i So, Im assuming your a police officer? Would've liked to have known that I think, but no worries, your also a skydiver and thats why your on this forum. I have smoked with policemen before, before they became cops, agents, or whatever. I have great respect for lawmen, and I appreciate what you guys do for us everyday... that being said... Is your statement highlighting an assumption that most of the "populace" dont, or havent smoked marijuana and therefore they dont have the "skills" to recognize the effects on users? Or, are you just saying the "skills" are a taught thing due to your profession and experience? Because I think I would argue that more people than you may know have smoked, and still smoke... I could be wrong, but it was the wording of your statement that made me think. Like your protecting the populace from some sort of foreign enemy or something? With all due respect. "We didn't start the fire"

The problems I am speaking of are associated with job loss, I should have clarified that. But I still think it is more fair to say that the user of marijuana is less likely to have problems associated with its effects than alcohol users as they relate to jobs, however, the marijuana user is more likely to lose a job over the legalities and judgements associated with marijuana. >Problems with both alcohol and pot are caused by their users" there are more definitive problems associated with weed because it is illegal. For example, if I have a six pack unopened in my car, im still ok, but if I have a joint rolled in the glove box, I could go to jail ect... Neither, situations were affected by the "effect" of the drug itself, but one gives you more problems... So I dont think its a blanket statement to say that both of them are caused by they're users. Assuming the beer or the joint doesnt belong to the driver of the car. still maybe im just not understanding you completely "We didn't start the fire"

Fair enough. But what about jail, a criminal (felony in some states) record, a ban on hiring, judgement, and list goes on... Alcohol problems seem to be casued more by the user, and not the alcohol. Marijuana problems seem to be caused more by the weed, not the user. I mean in reality, which one sounds like it affects the individual (and others) more? The problem with having this conversation with people is that some have never seen nor understood to see weed in the same light... or even a lesser light, than alcohol, becasue of the legalities associated with them. Taking what you said, it would seem like alchohol is the more influencial drug... and we even have a driving limit for it. And the fact that you say your less likeley to lose a job over weed makes me feel even more that the "effects" of marijuana are typically more mellow than alchohol, and therefore may not cause you to lose a job as you can under the effects of alcohol.? ETA: If your high or drunk at work you can lose your job. I think you know what i mean. But still, one is perfectly legal, packaged, marketed, accepted, and sold all over the world, and the other will give you a simialr or graver penalty than rape, or even murder in some states. That is assuming murder is a felony?? I dont know im not a lawyer. But still... in the words of Marvin Gaye, "whats goin on" "We didn't start the fire"

Thats a good one, but no, thats not what I meant. And, I think you know I what I meant also. You dont have to understand everything to understand love "We didn't start the fire"