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Blown up?! This is what I call "blown up" "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

But only in YEL, WHT, LBL. That's in 2014. In 1991 I'm sure they've had more colors to offer. Cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

I don't know of any company doing that. Aerodyne and PISA however make the line attachment tapes on A,B,C,D and st. lines in different color. PISA is out of the sport market for about 10 years now, but you should be able to find some Hornets still in use. Cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

This one? http://www.skydivemag.com/article/stop-turning "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Ring. Many reasons for the ring, and not even a single one for the pillow. ( except the cool factor, but I don't really care about that ) The reasons for my choice. 1. Easier to grab and pull. 2. Once the pillow is made, it's impossible to inspect the swage at the end of the reserve cable. 3. Just by touching you can determine whether you have cutaway or reserve handle in your hand. ( for those 1:1 000 000 occasion when your buddy's canopy is all around you, your harness is twisted and all you have left is to pull your reserve to add more fabric to the mess) 4. A well made pocket for the ring handle doesn't depend on the quality of the Velcro to keep the handle in place( not saying that you should jump with bad Velcro) 5. Almost all CReW dogs I've seen have ring reserve handles. It's for a reason. If it was a "snag" potential, they would've gone for pillows. 6. I've pulled more than 4000 reserve handles in my life- check again my reason #1 7. Grabbing a pillow handle with broken fingers will be challenging. 8. One of the big gear manufacturers will not make you a pillow handle, even if you especially ask for it. 9. My boss doesn't like pillow reserve handles The following is not meant to be criticism to anyone. Have you ever tried to pull your reserve handle with the right hand? Have you ever tried to pull your reserve handle without using your fingers? If NOT, you should ETA: #9 "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Add Parachute Systems to that list as well Cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Aerodyne links were never made for 3 turns. Only the ones from Precision . "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Just a heads up. Basically they got rid of the metal ring and made a tab from what it looks to me like ugly green 5/8" square weave The rest stays the same. Gray bartack for the main and red for the reserve. Cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Is there an "undo" spam report button for people like me who "report spam" by accident when scrolling up/down on their phones "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

416 cu.in. according to the PIA and the Jump Shack charts http://www.jumpshack.com/Read/Tech/canopy_volume_chart.htm "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Hi Tom, Just something to think about. I've seen a rapid link distorted twice( #3,5 ). Both times the line group was held in place by the thread of the link. Both times the jumper was not aware of any of that. Both times the lines fell off the link , just second after the jumper landed and the lines were left without tension. If all of this happens and the jumper is not aware, and for whatever reason that line group is left without enough tension close to the ground ( turbulence ?) this jumper is going to have a very bad day. I'm a strong believer that whatever breaks on your gear during skydive, should happen on opening when you are still high enough to use your reserve. Not 100 ft above the ground. Keep in mind, I'm not a TM! "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Well, maybe you should go to a rigger instead "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

You really need to read my first post one more time. Then keep in mind that I'm responding to the OP who happens to have an Icon risers. I don't know why you have that idea that I mean any new risers with 50 jumps will have that problem. Read my first post again. P.S. People around know how to set their half brakes "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

All I'm saying is that from all velcroless risers I've seen, the toggles from the Icon risers takes the least force to be extracted. Sometimes only the weight of the toggle is just enough when you give the riser a little shake. We can go forth and back all day long on this, but find a digital weight scale and measure them yourself. I don't know how bad it really is. All I know is that the line twist is the most common malfunction (from what I've seen. No hard data here) and many line twists start from a toggle fire. Not every toggle fire ends up with a cutaway. Not every cutaway because of toggle fire is reported as such. Most of them are simply reported as a line twist( which is actually true since that was the reason for the cutaway and the toggle fire was the reason for the twist ). It's a good discussion, but we are drifting away from the OP's question. Let's stay on the track. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Well, try this on Icon risers and then on any other velcroless risers you see around. You are talking about the moment the canopy is out of the bag. Toggle fire can happen before that. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

First of all, have those risers modified for other toggles or get a different risers. I have nothing against Aerodyne, but their velcroless risers are by far the worst when it comes down to securing the toggles. They copied the UPT toggles, but changed everything else on the riser itself, so now those toggles fall off the risers almost without ant problem. Try this on your risers: Set the brakes, grab the lines from the rear riser and give the riser a good shake. If the risers are older than say 50 jumps, there's a good chance that the toggle will fall off. Many of the people with a toggle fire problem on an Aerodyne risers I know, have PD Slink hats over the risers, so the toggle being pushed out by the grommet was not likely. The best toggle setup IMO is the one from Parachutes de France . Basically what Terry (councilman24) is talking about. I just don't know when the Russians came with this solution ,but I believe that they copied the French. About this. The local DZ organizes a canopy course once every month or so. The target group is beginner jumpers working toward their "A" license. This is the first time that they are told to put the slider behind their neck. Many of those folks don't have their own gear yet and they hire from us. 100 % of our mini risers have those PD bumpers, and I don't know they do it, but when the gear comes back to us after the weekend, almost all of the sliders are under the bumpers. I hope that any of this info helps. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

The picture shows a skyhook made from blue aluminum which indicates that this is actually a Skyhook 2. Skyhook 2 doesn't require tacking trough the bridle. Please check Vector 3 manual MAN-004, Rev 1 page 26 for reference. Cheers "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Exactly my point. You can even hear Bill's comment:" Even with the slider UP, these guys would've made it" I don't think so! "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Actually nothing. It's not the skyhook itself that I'm against. It's a safety system like any other. It might work and it might fail. It might save your life or kill you. What I'm against is all the misinformation that's behind it. For example that it fails only once every 500 times. Or the promo video where they show 100 ft cutaway with a slider down. I know what slider down is, and I'm sure you know as well, but the average 20 jumps wonder has no idea what that means. All they see is:" Oh cool, It makes chopping low much safer" [ a real quote]. Or that it happens so fast, you can't get twists on your reserve. Have you ever talked to a jumper who was told by the manufacturer that his 250 $ safety system didn't work because might have been misrigged instead of :" Oh well, sometimes it just happens and we still don't know why or how to fix it"? Or to a jumper who will never jump an RSL, but he will never jump without a skyhook either believing that it will never fail? I'm all for whatever choice you make, as long as it's based on knowledge and not on wrong or not enough information. Does that answer your question? Just look at the OP. He thought that his skyhook worked fine. He even was so happy that he decided to share his experience with us on his post on this forum. And of course there's a slight chance that I'm wrong and his skyhook did work fine and what I see is not what happened. It's all about educating people and helping them see beyond the marketing. That's all. P.S. I don't work for any manufacturer and I don't have any financial benefit of people buying or not buying a skyhook. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

My second pictures shows exactly the same. An inflated RPC with the bridle stretched under, much closer to the reserve than to the main. Care to explain how that would happen if the skyhook completed the deployment? It's not what I believe, it's what I see. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

I saw all that. Just because the skyhook started the deployment, it doesn't mean that it didn't disconnect half way. Normal RSL deployment- as fast as the skyhook, but 250 $ cheaper "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

So where is the freebag ?! That's what I want to know. Also the distance between the main risers and the top of your reserve is a lot more than 9 ft. Are you sure that you've had a MARD deployment ? Cheers ETA: Never mind, I saw the freebag the frame before. You've had a nice RSL deployment ETA 2: the second picture. So tell us again how well the skyhook worked for you "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

The Cypres is done at the end of July. If it's from 2002 then is Cypres 1 so + 3 months from the DOM. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the life of Cypres 2 is 12 years and 6 months. And YES, taking a reserve out of service just because it's 15 years old is simply stupid thing regardless whoever told you that. "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen

Weird. I am a younger rigger, not old grey-bearded one. I have ratings and I haven't been jumping anywhere close to 40 years. I got plenty of round manuals, I have packed (and continue to pack) plenty of rounds, and I have jumped and landed plenty of various rounds (both reserves and mains). sorry, just wanted to brag :) ............................................................................... You sir, are an anomaly! I challenge you to show me your manuals for the following parachutes: Advanced Air PEP Asquito PEP Ballistic Recovery Systems' PEP Butler Headrest pack Eclipse PEP Flying High's Slimline PEP Free Flight Enterprises' Preserve 5 canopy Handbury PEP Irvin lap-pack Jump Shack PEP National seat-type PEP Parachutes Australia long PEP Parachutes de France Flex-Pack Para-Phernalia "Softie" containing a square canopy Pioneer Thin-Pack PISA back-type PEP Reltny lap-pack Rigging Innovations' Aviator Security 150, 250, 350 and 550 Spekon RE-5L Stewart Systems PEP Westway pilot emergency parachute This challenge is awesome! :D Hey Mads, do you thing I should join the challenge, or it won't be fair? I totally fit the profile "young, black bearded, jumped all kind of round parachutes, packing a lot of old rounds per year, only 16 years in the sport" ETA: Packed some reserves that most old FAA grey-bearded master riggers will never see in their career! Such as PN-58, S4-U, Z-5, Z1-P, PZ 81, B-8...... and the list goes on "My belief is that once the doctor whacks you on the butt, all guarantees are off" Jerry Baumchen