KrisFlyZ

Only because you make every thread about your 'issue' . Sponsor would be the Mrs., Scott. In this thread, I want to share my excitement about the new V-suit with other like minded individuals. Edited: To fix something that was not put in the most effective way.

That system only retains the really happy customers .

Acro Suit was officially released on : 8-Aug-2005 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1737770 Acro2 announced : 6 Mar 2008 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3175309 Two years and a half years is hardly a very quick version upgrade. The clock didn't start when you received your Acro. BTW, When did you order/receive your Acro? When did you ask for the upgrade? I have it on good authority that this 'never -ever' problem you speak of in this thread never -ever made it to PF HQ. As I remember, you tested an Acro before ordering it and even posted a nice review. My point is that you were in a position to realize that there is a defect on your suit very soon after you jumped it. You say in your post that you asked after the Acro2 was released. It is perfectly reasonable for someone to refuse a new suit/free upgrade several months after you received your suit. I heard directly from you regarding your issue in late 2008 and you said, "I asked Robi to upgrade my Acro to an Acro2 and he asked me to just buy an Acro2...I am done buying suits from him..." It seems, you didn't even communicate your issue properly and now you are behaving in an unreasonable manner. I was emailing a friend of mine(dmkellett...I can ask him to come here and chime in) to catch up, its been a while and he was talking about his Phantom2. He had sizing issues that he got sorted... Here is the relevant part of the email... I have to say that Robi has been more than fair with me. I ordered a V1 in 2004 and made a measuring mistake. Shoulder to floor of 63 instead of 61. I made the same mistake on the V2 order(2006) as well and Robi made me another suit for free in spite of realizing that it was my mistake. I purchased another V2 in 2007 and that had a defect. Following that, me and Robi had our differences and I was on the black list. No V3 for me. Quite recently, Robi and I resolved our differences and he offered a big discount on my next order, but I refused the discount, I figure we are even. I think of it this way. Not having me as a customer has ZERO impact on PF's business. If Robi is willing to be fair and resolve the differences with me, then, there is no reasonable logic I can apply and make him the bad guy. Damn it! If you can't work out your issues with a reasonable person like Robi, I am not sure who you can work with.

Just wondering based on a comment in another thread. My opinion was that wingsuits are growing in popularity. At every DZ that I jumped there are a lot more wingsuits today than a few years ago. What do you think?

Dunno, I heard 'Oy Birdman' before .

Sweet!! . Can't wait to see the video...

Yup, you said it. The reason AFAIK that the student cypress has that setting(29 mph ) is so that it fires even if a student is going through the firing altitude under a partial mal. This is the reason an expert cypress is used by almost all licensed skydivers. Now there is even a version for swoopers after Adrian's(RIP) accident. Adrian Nicholas was Patrick DG's jumping buddy and had a two out during a high speed landing with an expert cypress.

Hey Scott, Maybe a good idea to add the Q and your reply to the FAQ. Kris

Are these the final scores now? Or are you guys doing some more flying?

Pocket and Scoop being the same thing, right? Doesn't the simple scoop design work the best regardless of air locking? IMO, Air locking of the front inlets is only needed if the suit is used for back flying also. Only if they had the back flying inlets option. I am not sure fit mattered so much on the smaller Phantom and Acro suits. I own a Phantom 1(Blue/white/Black) with back flying inlets that I purchased from the used market. It fit better than my Orange one(no back fly inlets) with which I have had so much fun and got really good performance out of. The design of the back fly inlets (with no air locks) makes the suit's performance envelope lower. After 3 jumps, I simply sealed the back inlet on the arm wings with Duck tape(inside and outside). Immediately I was getting the same performance out of it as my Orange Phantom. Anyway, I am glad we are at a point in time when we discuss these issues for fun and they no longer cause issues on suits.

All this discussion about who came up with what first really does not matter. The end result is that we have better suits today than a few years ago. It does make the discussion, interesting. When the V1 was released, the blueprint for all suits designed for glide was available. It is just that it took so long for manufacturers to give up the instinct to make their suits look different and concentrate on the desired functionality of the suit. I don't live in sunny California and I have a lot of 'free' time . Maybe in that exact form and placement. If you must credit Tony, do so for making all suits in the market today have mattress inflation. That's definitely a good thing, IMO. Are inlets rocket science? Even on the phantom 1 leg inlets, the simple functional pockets you talk of can be seen. They are just at a different place and smaller because they are from a time when mattress inflation was not considered necessary. It was considered detrimental to the design goal of shaping the wing exactly, like your V2. I do not have access to this picture but I remember seeing a picture of a simple pocket inlet on the leg sleeve of a ghost(probably cpoxon's one) from years ago. Edited to add: The above paragraph does not matter, the SM1 was released before the Ghost. What laminar!? Sorry to disappoint you . I think that there is a benefit in putting the time and effort in the manufacturing process that results in careful airfoil shaping. With the next V size closer to the X-bird, time and real world performance will tell if it is just feel good engineering.

The Vampire training video offers another look at the V prototypes. In this version, the wing root seems to have been extended all the way to the feet. http://vimeo.com/13829533 Jarno, Define Soon Kris

Nice! Do you think 100secs for 1000m is possible? The wingsuit competition site has 11.5m/sec as the slowest fall rate achieved(in the 1000m window) so far. IMO, slow flight is the easiest and most natural thing to figure out. It is also a good sign, we expect the newer generations to be much quicker than us at learning things. With the latest generation of wingsuits, flying for maximum distance should also be much easier than before. Progress

I think most people that have followed this news item have read most of it, but the article is still interesting to read. Funny, I don't see this item in my news. Maybe its because you stay in the same area? I am in the U.K.

OK this whole two wingsuit-BASE-jumping-Yuris is just too confusing. Yuri (outrager) posted in this thread and you're linking to Yuri's (yuri_base) Z-Device thread. lurch is referring to yuri_base and so am I.

My friend purchased one of the Plasma TVs that was on the trade floor when the company he was working for closed shop. The CNBC peacock is visible even when the TV is turned off and visible even when other channels are on. $100 was not a bad deal for a 50" plasma in 2005 though.

I think there is a misunderstanding here. I purchased that arm for something else and it is just a paper weight now. As you said, they did something and are excited about it. I just didn't want to say anything negative. As for the Yuri bashing. I am fine with that and would gladly join if he is blabbering on about 'Bent legs' or D/L or some shit like that. He was trying to come up with something to solve the ground speed problem of the GPS. That shows an understanding level that is beyond some rudimentary stuff like this. My opinion is leave the GPS on the ground and fly your body! 10 jumps getting out x miles(x greater than your range in given wind conditions) away from the DZ will do more for learning than a 50 with gadgets of this kind. Even then you are growing gadget dependent.

I have one of those heavy duty flex arms, I doubt that relative wind at WS speeds is going to bend it. It weighs 1.5lb though, so workout those neck muscles.

Sounds like a good idea. My Mirage G4, long bridle PC and open corners has worked just fine for me. Definitely interested in hearing what the wingsuit community has to say.

Then you have not been paying attention . This is blue collar compared to what Yuri wants to do. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3069522

Not an article on how to do it. Just good practices, like having a LOT of jumps, having the tandem away from other traffic at chosen fly-by spot, etc. Just for the people that seek such info pro-actively before carrying out the jump. Nothing can be done if it is decided just on the spur of the moment.

Add info on good 'Fly-by' practices to the FAQ? Article on FLB---Jarno?

I have a different opinion on some of your suggestions. I think the wingsuit discipline is a long way ahead of the point where we need to hold a "Discover wingsuiting" boogie. In 2004, even a big place like SDC had very few wingsuit pilots. Go there today and you'll probably find a few people flying a wingsuit on each load. I think that wingsuits are gaining in popularity and every big dropzone has a few demo wingsuits/tracking gear etc. Competition between manufacturers has resulted in a better product for the consumer.

vitriol's post in the Flock U thread. We can continue the wider discussion here.

Even though the subject of this thread seems to cover the bigger question, the intention in posting this thread is (read the original post) to get feedback from the people that plan on going to Flock U events. In my perception of the people around here, Justin and the group of people that regularly fly with him come across as a positive and fun bunch, more interested in achieving a common goal and having fun than in soup brands . Let's leave this thread alone for people that are going to a FlockU event to have their say