JoeWeber

You didn't answer from yesterday: Do you trust yourself? Let me ask you, do you believe there was voter fraud or wrongdoing of any kind sufficient to justify Trump's refusal to engage Biden and Biden's team in the transition process?

It was a dark and stormy night, I lay awakened by the phantom twitch of an arm or a leg, and above me looking down with the gleam of an illiberal southern gentleman in his eye was the Boogie Man. The End.

Any further news about the Easter Bunny?

December 7, 1972. Static line on a round. After researching all of the possibilities I selected the only choice available. Today's a different day. In my opinion there is no better way to make a first skydive than a Tandem out of a Turbine aircraft from 12.5K or higher. No diss to the small a/c dz's (I've taken 100's of Tandems out of my own 182's) it's just that an exit from a large door is easier for both parties and higher is better. It's a true freefall skydive, you can slap hands and talk rap with your buddies in the airplane, it's lower stress and, just like learning to fly an airplane, there is a personal flight instructor there to show you how to fly the thing. If you love it the rest of the skydiving world will still be open to you. Also, the day's of saving up 30 bucks to make a static line jump or clear and pull every month or so are over. So if price is driving your selection save up a bit more first so you can push straight through after you start. Trust me, the cost of a Tandem at the start of the journey won't even be a measurable amount of the total spent after a few years. Just don't think about it, money has never been better wasted than on skydiving.

Do you trust yourself? Let me ask you, do you believe there was voter fraud or wrongdoing of any kind sufficient to justify Trump's refusal to engage Biden and Biden's team in the transition process?

Agreed. But Biden is, as I understood the original point.

In the spring. Currently they are all off to their winter jobs in second hand stores, dye shops and tattoo parlors.

Let's use a more on point example. Say you're in a garage with your wizard buddy and you need a half dozen or two people to start a company. Different process.

I didn't perceive the discussion was about including a potentially controversial hire in an operating organization where buy off and demonstrating inclusiveness was an advantage and time was unlimited. I thought it was about building an initial team. Right or wrong I think that's a time for decisions not group think. Of course I believe in inclusiveness. You've seen packers, right?

No, you don't. That goes double if you already don't want them on your team. Why risk damaging esprit by overriding group think? Better to choose and require trust in your decision.

The first half was about team building and the last bit was about making best use of the team you have. I personally wouldn't choose Tulsi Gabbard any sooner than I would choose Marriane Williamson because my gut tells me the risk of either trying to insert their own agenda into the system is too great. I don't see either as purpose built for a leadership role on a leadership team. Could be wrong but that would be my call. On the other hand I'd be looking hard at Gretchen Whitmer, John Kasich, Stacy Abrams and Val Demmings to name a few.

Against the prospect of revenge by a vindictive moron with 71 million acolytes? Maybe he has that level of integrity but I haven't seen it. The only hope is if his republican enablers realize that the integrity of our elections is what keeps them at the trough.

I think I gave skydekker a blast of shit over his being overly assertive with the US is a banana republic thing. I'm beginning to regret the opinion after today.

She has too much negative perception. But I agree the deplorable's need a dose of pandering.

Pure fantasy. But no less a fantasy than what might work: Trump tweeting that there was no evidence of fraud or wrongdoing that should cause anyone to doubt the legitimacy of the election. That we should please all join he and Melania in wishing success for our new President. We are far from done with the hellish damage Trump has done to our nation. As we watch the next miserable two months unfold I want to remind every last one of you who voted for the jackass that you own this.

Well, when you live your life on a cul-de-sac off the information super highway you tend to miss a few things, I reckon.

And Trump Senior campaign advisor David Bossie to the list. He's the asshole in charge of the baseless election lawsuit program, I think.

Yup.

Exactly. The Nova comes to mind as proof positive.

We don't need God. We have the Prophet Trump whose acolytes live in a state of preemptive submission, fearful they will have devastation visited on their homes and reelections if they pray in any other direction than Washington, DC. Next we'll be subject to beheadings for perceived slights and insulting cartoons.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.........

It's a legitimate fear as they see life's important things. Trump has 70 million voters to deploy against anyone who is a perceived enemy. They see him with a post office media platform (I'm hoping for a post office picture) and fear for their seats, nothing else. Patriots my ass.

Ron, I think you have taken great license to paraphrase my comments in that manner. Something you need to understand is that it is we who are the patriotic Americans. We support the rule of law and the constancy of our democracy and republic. You, and your fellow believers, supported the reduction of the rule of law in America, the erosion of our communal faith in our electoral system, the derision of our international treaties, and a blind eye snubbing of the Constitution of the United States of America for nothing more than short term monetary gain and a desired elimination of rights for a large swath of your fellow citizens. It is good that you and yours have lost for what you have wished to be visited on your fellow citizens is nothing short of evil. I have no clue how long we will hold the upper hand but I hope our new leaders have the stones to make the best of the opportunity. And do yourself a big favor and just relax. You aren't about to be attacked; there are no monsters under the bed or in the closet.

That's forcing the point. No one is suggesting making trumped up charges where no wrong doing exists. But it cannot be either or; there must be limits and the crimes must be real. For example, if it is found out that he treasonously gave Putin classified information during their private tête à tête's would you still think it wrong to charge him? What about provable perjury in a federal investigation? We are in this mess from going high when they go low. This time, for the sake of the Republic, we need to send a loud and clear message that we have an Executive not a King in America and don't think you'll be getting off scott free if you hurt the nation. That and by his own words only Trump would have installed Trump as President for life.

According to the numbers, in fact, most people do. 74.55 million vs. 70.4 million by latest count.