JoeWeber

You are assuming. Wanting him prosecuted in order to stop him from being elected again is a stand alone desire.

I definitely don't think you are a liar. It seems to me that you simply want to see a consensus somewhere and then nice our way out of this horrible mess. The thing is that consensus building isn't always the best plan and nice will usually lose out to wicked and cruel. Honestly, I think that everyone who still believes that we need to go high when they go low needs to stand aside while those in favor of overkill until absolute certainty give it a go.

Not every circumstance has an historical parallel with proven solutions on offer. I see this as such a situation. If the State can emasculate Trump and reduce his effectiveness such that he is not a potential 2024 contender that would be great. If the damage done was such that someone in favor of using Federal charges to damage him and his political brand was persuaded the job was already done then fine, pardon him. But arguing now that it's wrong, counter productive or unnecessary to prosecute him federally is putting the solution in front of knowing of the problem. First, let's just have one day where he isn't using the office for other than personal gain and selfish assaults, at the minimum, and then let's decide how far we should go to be rid of him.

Like DB Cooper faded into history?

But you don't know, and neither do I or others.

Maybe you should stop writing Russian novels. The emoticon was a welcome abbreviation, though.

That's understandable. Here's help: your last post took 593 words to say nothing you haven't already said.

What?

What the holy hell are you talking about? Half of our citizens here in America don't believe in science. They believe zygotes are people, vaccines cause democrats, the Earth is flat and Elvis is alive and Jesus is minutes away from taking the righteous and leaving the rest of us to an eternity of perdition eating Chick-fil-A at every meal. You might rethink that.

So around the world, not just in America, the pandemic is spiraling out of control because people just can not be trusted to do the right thing. "Rules" aren't as real as laws and that's the problem. Thanks for the update. Also, a shout out: we liberals here in your former country are most appreciative that every other nation on the planet is playing along with our crazy conspiracy to oust Trump. Thank you all, even non Christian heterosexual white folk.

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Exactly.

Again, he can not be pardoned for state crimes by a President. If the SDNY or AG James has real evidence of crimes committed by any or all the the Trumps, and they sure act like they have the goods, my hope is they be prosecuted. You think that's bad I think that's good. And before we talk Presidential pardon let's first see what's under the rock.

Why? I stated the why on SC multiple times: to keep him off the ballot in 2024. Whereas a felon can run for president I suspect it would be, at the minimum, debilitating to say the least. Running from a jail cell or while being prosecuted for multiple crimes in several separate cases is also likely to be distracting. The MAGA base will be an impediment in this country for a long while to come. I think it will be worse if he gets his bully pulpit cost free. No good options is no good reason to not try.

Wish thinking and trumpthopomorphizing. Unless you want him running in 2024 and stirring up his angry mob the next four years then you should wish for a felony conviction on anything as fast as possible.

Robert, Wendy, et al., I simply do not understand why anyone is bringing up Andrew Jackson, Richard Nixon etc. Trump is a new page in history. What he has done and is doing right now demands a new response. He and what he stands for is a new disease and the courts will be the vaccine. It is time for toughness not truth and reconciliation.

That's pretty much the definition of a closed mind. It's not that the Presidency must be protected, it's that he personally must be emasculated. The only hope of doing that is with a felony conviction. Take his money and his cult will send him more and subscribe to his new reality show for good measure. Think of it as step one in bending the arc of world history away from right wing authoritarianism. He must be pulled down and kept down. It's the courts or nothing.

You can? Please direct our attentions to your past predictions and promises that would require us to take you seriously. Hyperbolic predictions left unrealized seems to be a common trait amongst the right wing lately so please forgive my doubts.

You have to feel the love from Cessna, 10% off or no, $7K US is a huge percentage of the value of some of the affected fleet. Brutal.

Not yet, but once the power of the Presidency is in his past and Barr is no longer his personal lapdog attorney I suspect the score will run up nicely.

I'll wager a nice bottle of Burgundy that you're about to hear that it is being blind, gullible and obtuse that allows you to see the similarities.

Yingling has the kits at $6740.85. The AD is not going to be rescinded. There is always a chance that when you need the kit they'll be in short supply. Get ahead of things, if there was ever an awesome Christmas gift for your wife this is it.

Well, we don't know for sure just how guilty he is. In the words of my dear old dad just after his hand bounced off the side of my head: " I don't know what you did, but I know you did it."

Methinks you're joking if you think Trump will say "sorry" for a pardon. He'll be more like the girl in the pit in Silence of the Lambs, threatening to break preciouses legs if he's not let go. In any case no President can pardon him for state crimes and that's, if there is a there there, the best chance for a relatively fast conviction. He knows that and it's the specter of state prosecution, because he sort of has an idea he's guilty, that makes him willing to destroy confidence in our democracy on the off chance he can stay president.

Screw that. Pardoning him, or simply not prosecuting him for any real crimes committed, would do nothing to stop the trend of right wing authoritarianism around the world and now here in America. For one thing it would bring his 2024 Presidential aspirations to a screeching halt now and give his cult a few years to cool down. It would also serve to give the next such brazen asshole pause, at least in America. No more same thing, I say.