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Ummm... If we tried to include Everybody that might take a while!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

No, infact it is a compliment of sorts.... You don't have to believe in God or anything, and if me or the president or whomever believes that the ultimate goal for you in this life is to go to heaven, and he prays for you to do so, what does anyone care.... He is giving that prayer, and that praise because because to him, it is important and he hopes the best for you and everyone. I had this same situation at work. My old boss was a born again Christian, and I am agnostic. When I first started he always talked religion with me and I told him to stop and that it made me uncofortable... So he did. But, when things were bad or I was having a tough day he used to say... "I know you don't understand, or even care to, but, I will say a prayer to Jesus for you tonight." Now i could have taken that many ways, but to me it was somewhat of a compliment. I didn't believe in his religion, but he felt I was important enough for him to look to his religion and pray for my well being.... It showed he really cared. He didn't have to buy me a card or gifts for me to know he thought highly of me..... I respected him for that even though I didn't share his beliefs, and you know what, he respected my non-beliefs as well. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

He's referencing someone who isn't the creator of ALL Americans, but as the POTUS he speaks for ALL Americans. What do you Euro's care anyway.... The guy has a religion, and he embraces it. Good for him!!!! I would rather have a religios man in office than a non rigious man in office, whether he is catholic, jew, muslim, hindu...... How is this impacting your life? How is this destroying your way of life in the UK? What is the problem with it? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

As a "Yank", I am not really getting into it. I don't know too much about it other then there is a huge debate over whether or not the Kremlin backed canidate rigged the election. Also, Consider this: Today is one of the YANKS biggest Holidays Most don't have work today, many didn't have it yesterday, and most don't have it tomorrow. Now, what evidence is there of tampering? I haven't heard of any evidence, just this it is thought to have been rigged. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

no, I moved.... And, I don't have children yet... My shouts my fall on deaf ears. Although here in NY it isn't much better. My cousin is a Middle school teacher... Some of the crap they teach boggles the mind. It is funny how in History text books, they can discuss Budism, hinduism, judeism (sp?) but to discuss christianity other than the crusades they can not.... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Move to MA... and then read them:-) My kids will be in private school that much I can tell you!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THe Left is the party of tolerance for everyone other than Christians...... We can't say anything to offend the muslims.... no, that wouldn't be PC!!! But FUCK the Christians.. What are they good for? Fuck the LEFT that is whay I say..... And the liberals wonder why they lost the election. Maybe someday they will realize that the USA is not secular, and doesn't want to be. So long as they keep offending the religious majority in this country, they will continue to loose!!!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

With the obvious exception of the pledge of allegiance, in which case the revisionism is endorsed and defended by conservatives. So much for blanket statements. -Josh In text books in MA pretty much saying that American Indians were and are peaceful people who tried to avoid battles with the European settlers. Futher they go on to say it was the Europeans who provoked battles with the indians etc.... Also read about the museums on the indians in western MA.... See what the liberals did there!!!! It might surprise you!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Your right I am off subject, But your posted link is the exact point!!!!! Media and research groups put out only data that fits what they are looking for. The article you posted is for the WORLD. Then will very rarely if ever say that the Aids problem in the US and or UK is Mostly a GAY issue, because that doen't fit their agenda. I posted what I did because of the sarcastic comment about how studies are "Left-wing" etc.... All I am saying is what is reported is biased. There is other negative data out on Gay Families with Children, but that won't make headlines nor will support the agenda of the group putting it out there.... Much like the GAY AIDS data which is burried in the US and UK. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I love it. When science and researchers disprove a myth all of a sudden its 'left-wing'. As to socially 'unacceptable behavior', well how prevelant is infidelity amongst married couples? How does that impact kids. Once again a statement is made: gays should not adopt and when asked for proof as to why none is given. Well, it is somewhat true.... Why don't and why wouldn't the media discuss the truth about the HIV/Aids epidemic in the US and UK? Why? because the truth is not PC..... The fact is that in 2003 of all AIDS and HIV case in the US and UK, 60% of those infected contracted the diease through homosexual sex, and 10% through IV drug use. So roughly 70% of all Aids/HIV patients in the US and UK are either druggies or gay..... How come that never shows up? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Except when if they ask forgivness they might have to do it after a war. Ahhh.... But if war could be avoided due to the threat of use of nuclear weapons by Iran.... See where I am going with this. If they build it secretly.... They finally get a few nukes, then the world finds out..... Then it will just be like a NK stand off. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It is always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

PK... THis is why he thinks that: From the Al Queda Manifesto: "America is the head of heresy in our modern world, and it leads and infidel democratic regime that is based upon separation of religion and state and on ruling the people by the people vie legislating laws that contradict the way of Allah and permit what Allah has prohibited. This compels the other countries to act in accordance with the same laws in the same ways... and punishes any country that rebels against these laws by besieging it and then boycotting it. By so doing [America] seeks to impose on the world a religion which is not Allah's ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Maybe the United States should get rid of Massachusetts while they're at it? Part of the purpose of the United Nations is to give all those countries (even the asshole ones) a forum to make their case. A society, with benefits, that they can be ostracized from for the bad stuff they do. If you want a giant police force, well, then you just have to be the biggest, baddest country in the world, and hope you remain that way because some of the rest of the world will be trying to play king of the mountain with you. Wendy W. Well, you can;t get rid of MA, because I am from there and my family will be pissed..... But the UNITED Nations should be united on something do you think? I am not talking about ONE big county/super power, but I do think they would be better served to be mainly made up of Superpowers and countries which have shown for some length of time (Make up a number...10yrs...20 yrs) That they have interest in keeping the world as peaceful as possible and expanding global markets. I can't figure out why some of these countries were invited in.... Iran Iraq Lebonan Sudan ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Hey Kallend maybe you missed this part of the article: ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I say we get rid of the UN and come up with something better.... I mean let's face it, the U.N. is hardly what its name implies!!!!! I don't think the UN can funtion with Nations Iraq or syria etc.... being members. IMO there are too many members in the UN. Soon, every nation in the world will be in the UN, which means it will serve no PURPOSE!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Oh... I forgot to mention that the muslim world too has their fears of westerners taking over confirmed because, let's face it, the media outlets in Iran, and Saudi Arabia and a lot of the middle east say it. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well, I think JD is right.... The Fudamentalists do want us dead no matter what, however, I don't think the "run of the mill" muslim necesarrily feels that way. I would say though that a lot of the Muslim Clerics do preach about the impending doom of western cultural influence... It is a type of brainwashing being mixed in with religion. Because of teaching like that the "Run of the mill" muslim may look at situations like this and say, " Hey...cleric John was right... The americans are coming" But let's face it, intelligent people in Iraq know we are not there to "steal their oil" or Take over.... However many people in Iraq are paranoid due to the regime they have had for 30 years, and also due to the influence of some high ranking religious leaders. It is a fucked up situation, but, with time, hopefully the Iraqi people will realize that they do have the power to shape their future, and things are better and getting that way everyday. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Nope, and I hope the EU isn't either. I think the world had to see this one coming!!!! They want nukes, and they will get them, either overtly or covertly.... If I were Iran though, I would be worrying about Isreali fighter Jets ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well, there are many reasons. 1) we support Isreal. 2) FUndamentalist Islam is deathly affraid of western influence in their culture. A lot of normal muslims do as well. Muslims are very religious people who fear that if western culture were brought into their part of the world, it would destroy the value of life. They are a people who for the most part follow a strict set of rules dictated by religion, and western culture would corrupt yonger peoples minds.... and would be an end to their way of life. It is a culture war as well. Ironically, the same type of culture war exists to some degree in this country. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Ummm.... Bad logic Bill. Let's see. THe USA Invades Mexico to steal some natural resources. China and a lot of the world intervien and go to war against the USA. The USA looses the war and the UN puts restrictions on military flights in our own country to prevent us from again attacking Mexico. The Chineese and others patrol the "No fly Zone". The USA fires on those patrols...... THe USA is then wrong. That is a bit more realistic of a scenario!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Now your thinking BILL ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It is real easy to understand the recent history: The Germans Kill the Jews. The Jews kill the arabs. The arabs kill the hostages. Game. Set. Match..... Brief history of the last 80 years. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html There are some links at the bottom of this page which may answer some questions. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

ANSWER Oil is their cheif export and the what their economy is based on and they have a limited amount. When it runs out they're done. Nuclear energy is cheaper and allows them to export their oil for income rather than burning up their own GDP. What's a limited amount? How much would they need for their own consumtion...How much do thay export.... How much do they project they have. I think we need to answer these questions first. If it turns out they have more than enough in the country, I suspect they want nuke power for energy, and also a means to create weapons..... I would be curious to see the figures. Anyone have them handy? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty