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Holy Shit ! I was thinking exactly the same thing, but I ain't too crazy about sheep. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Is he that guy on Jose's avatar ? ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

The facial expressions and impeccable timing of the audio edit combine to make this one of the most touching pieces of cinema I've yet experienced. http://www.religionisbullshit.com/fpreach.htm I owe beer if this clicky works. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

It's a bummer that we have to learn with ripcords, when 90% of us are going to wind up with BOC rigs. The dropzone where I started my training (closed) used ripcord Manta 288s (my first 11 jumps). The dropzone I'm currently using has me jumping a Sabre 230 BOC. No matter how much I practiced on the ground, I still went for the belly band (ripcord) on my first BOC jump. I guess some DZ's feel the extra deployment handles on the student ripcord rigs make them more suitable for AFF. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

"I have a cousin that is a retard that would have won a Gold Medal in the Special Olymipcs 100 ft dash but he slipped on his own drool, fell down, crapped his pants then pulled down his Depends Undergarment and started masturbating at mid-field." --------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Mike - is that you ?? HEE HEE HEE ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Dude She's bitchin' 'cause your tub is dirty - guess what - she would have been bitchin' if the dog smelled like shit, too. You're a guy, tell her to go do some goddamn laundry or something - after providing you with a cold beverage of your choosing. J/K ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Hey, I posted that pic. Here it is again. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Hey JT Those are a HOWL !! Oops, I think I peed. Bye. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

"i forget every year how much i like these guys.... http://www.trans-siberian.com/ to much music misses majesty i think.... " -------------------------------------------------- If you get a chance to go see TSO live, Do it. The Woman and I and went to their show in Wilkes-Barre last Sunday, and it was fantastic. Tickets cost 2 - 10k & 1 - hop n pop each, though ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

I cut and pasted both of those threads into Word for my own reference. I didn't keep the thread address, sorry - okay, not really. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Note to self: Do not play twister with overweight people that crap in their skivvies. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Awwwwwww, SCHITT !! ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Hey Tandem Guys If one opened high enough, say 8k - and left the brakes stowed (provided a cooperative spot, winds, and student) - it should be possible to knock off a piece under canopy. Has this been done ? Some paper towels might also be a plus. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Yeahh, That was a big sumbitch. But I was just tryin' to help. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

YOU KNOW YOU'RE A SKYDIVER WHEN... ·BOC goes from meaning "Blue Oyster Cult" to meaning "Bottom of Container". ·You're making love to your partner and they whisper "I've never done this before" and you yell out "THAT'S a case of beer!". ·On cloudy/windy days you go to the drop zone anyway and bitch about the weather. ·On cloudy/windy days you pull out your parachute and pack it just to say that you've done something skydiving-related. ·You "dirt-dive", "post-dive" and critique your love-making sessions. ·The smell of bug spray makes you think of skydiving. ·Whenever a passenger in a fast-moving car, you stick your head out the window and yell "FIVE LEFT" to the driver. ·Whenever leaving an establishment you yell "DOOR" to all the patrons before opening the door. ·You don't own any clothing that you didn't get at a boogie. ·Every single one of your whuffo friends is to the point of wanting to kill you every time you mention skydiving. ·You think of Jack Jeffries, Tamara Koyn and Norm Kent as "famous". ·You analyze every flag you see in terms of it's too windy/not too windy to jump. ·You analyze every flag you see in terms of which direction you'd face to land. ·It's a dark sky with low clouds and you're thinking "Hop -n- Pops!". ·It's so windy that trees are bending over and you're thinking "Cross country!". ·You allow a maximum 55 seconds of "working time" when making love. ·You can't think of a good reason to pick up your mail for three weeks after your issues of "Skydiving" and "Parachutist" arrive. ·You feel naked without at least one jump ticket in your wallet. ·You sign your checks with your name and USPA number. ·You know to the tenth of a mile how far it is from your driveway to the drop zone's driveway. ·Every time someone's beeper goes off you look at your watch to see if it's break-off altitude. ·You don't remember your anniversary or your mother's birthday, but you know down to the second how much accumulated freefall time you have. ·You analyze sessions of love-making in terms of "points turned". ·You refer to your recent break-up as an "intentional cut-away". ·You can't remember the true meanings of the words "Stilletto" "Javelin" "Talon" "Racer" ..... ·You walk everywhere watching the sky. ·You show up at the dz even on the worst-weather days because at least you can sit around drinking beer. ·You can't mention the word "first" in casual conversation, at work, or ever in reference to yourself. ·You have your paycheck direct-deposited into the dz account. ·You plan your vacations around skydiving boogies. ·On a full moon night, you look up and think "Night jumps!" ·You know the dz phone number while you don't even know your own. ·Anytime you have sex with someone for the first time you think "Beer!" ·You've kissed more people in freefall than you have on the ground. ·Your whuffo friends just don't understand why you would want to "do" a horny gorilla. ·You drive a beaten-up car because you really need that new canopy more. ·You have no idea what is happening on the weekends in your town. ·You have more pairs of Tevas than you do sneakers. ·You catch yourself flaking the bed instead of making it ·The term "PC" makes you think of pilot chutes, not personal computers ·You name your dog "Toggles" ·You wonder what whuffos _DO_ with themselves on gorgeous summer weekends ·You look at your VCR and think, "Hmm, that's gotta be worth a few jumps." ·You forget to lower your voice when talking to your jumper friends in a restaurant about the weekend's lost dildos, loose legstraps and lack of penetration ·You refer to Weddings, Funerals, Birthdays, etc. as 'Relative Work' ·You wish for wind, rain, snow, earthquakes, locusts, tornados, etc. on days you have to work or have other 'Relative Work' to do. ·You can't imagine how anyone can go on vacation without a parachute. ·Your rig costs more than your trailer. ·You love the smell of 'Jet A' in the morning! ·Your 'work' clothes have grippers. ·You wear a Skydiving T-shirt and bring a six pack to a job interview. ·You try to convince the State Trooper that your "D" license allows you to do ANYTHING! ·Your log book is thicker than any book you've ever read. ·You stop by the New River Bridge and take a look. All the others are saying 'damn, look how high it is' and you're saying 'damn, look how low it is'. ·When you buy anything you calculate how many skydives it will cost. ·When you wear your rig on commercial passenger flights, just in case. ·When seeing seats in a twin otter gives you the willies. ·When you go to divorce court and give your ex everything as long as you can keep all your gear. .When buying a house seems like a terrible waste of jump money. ·When you own three rigs, three altimeters, three dytters.... ·When you log a jump on December 25 and the fact it is Christmas doesn't enter your mind. ·Your six year old son can teach the first jump course. ·You put your arms down and back in a full track when running down stairs. ·You estimate your chances of pulling off a hard front riser turn when looking out any window above four stories. ·When you wake up with a mean hangover in a tent, the first thing you check is your rig. Then the person sleeping next to you. ·You find yourself mentally telling the pilot when to flare while landing on a commercial flight. ·Your christmas tree has more skydivers on it that an Otter can carry. ·Your thinking about taking all the but the driver's seats out of your car. ·Everytime you get pulled over for speeding you tell the cop you just made your first skydive in the hopes that he will let you go. ·Your favorite movie in the world is just over sixty seconds long. ·Your whuffo friends only call if the weather man says the weekend will be shitty. ·Your friends look at the sky and say, "look at all those clouds", and you say, "look at all those holes!". ·You wake up in the morning feeling like death warmed over, after having a few too many beers the night before, and your solution to this consists of riding in an extremely loud vehicle for about twenty minutes, throwing yourself out the door and NOT! killing yourself. ·You can't think of a better way to relax other than falling 10,000 feet. ·You fill out your packing data card in braille and try to convince the drop zone owner it's legal. ·You consider sleeping in a slanted plane as comfortable. ·You see an incredibly beautiful woman and you think, "hmm, I wonder if I can talk her into......skydiving!". ·Your girlfriend holds out her left hand and says the word diamond. You picture a fourway formation, look at your girlfriends hand realize the diamond she's talking about is going to cost over 200 jumps, and then, with a smile, picture your girlfriends suitcases on the porch. ·Your friend says "let's go to the beach", and you grab your rig. ·You try to convince the flight attendant on a commercial flight that you really! would be much more comfortable sitting on the floor. ·Your friends think it's funny to, when you are sleeping, blow a fan in your face and set a beeper off near your ear. ·When someone asks you where you're from, you reply with the name of your dz, not your hometown. SKYDIVING QUOTES: when in doubt, hook it out! "He who hesitates shall inherit the earth." - Anon "Some spot 'em as they see 'em and some spot 'em as they are, but there's no spot until you leave the plan anyway and by then its too late!" - Anon On docking: "The bigger they are - The harder they hit you." -- Anon On competing: "It doesn't matter if you win or lose - unless you lose." "The sky's not the limit, the ground is, so shut up and jump." "Air is like water, just less dense ... but at 120 mph you can grab it and pull on it.." --Anon "Brainlock is not a skydiving skill" -- Mark Hewitt "I've gone to several drop zones that have signs saying 'No Low Pulls'. Well, rules or not, if I get low I'm pulling." --Anon "I have ad Love Hate relationship with gravity." --Anon "If God didn't want us to jump out of perfectly good airplanes, he would have given us wings." --Anon "If God didn't want us to fly, he would have given us roots." --Anon "When people look like ants - pull, when ants look like people - pray" "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." "When in doubt, whip it out." "... 'course even in skydiving there are folks living on the edge" "Pack fast, pull low, and date your riggers wife" "Don't believe what your eyes are telling you. All they show is limitation, look with your understanding, find out what you already know and you'll see the way to fly." --from Jonathan Livingston Seagull "There is a reason to life. We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!" --from Jonathan Livingston Seagull "There was a limit to how much the new body could do, and though it was much faster than his old level-flight record, it was still a limit. In heaven, he thought, there should be no limits." --from Jonathan Livingston Seagull "And Jonathan rose with the two star-bright gulls to disappear into a perfect dark sky." --from Jonathan Livingston Seagull "You will begin to touch heaven in the moment that you touch perfect speed. And that isn't flying a thousand miles per hour, or a million, or flying at the speed of light. Because any number is a limit, and perfection doesn't have limits. Perfect speed is being there." --from Jonathan Livingston Seagull Rules of skydiving: " Fall Fast Always Buy your Beer Refuse to die!" "'Sometimes you're the bug... Sometimes you're the windshield.' best describes my jumping career." "The best AOD made is your right hand, the second best is your left" "Rainy weekends at the DZ are the most expensive" "CRW guys all have vans and park at the other end of the DZ" "SKYDIVING: GRAVITY-POWERED ADVENTURE!" "Skydivers have a remarkable ability to say 'Probably nothing will happen to me.' I think it's part of why we're able to get into potentially dangerous aircraft and do potentially dangerous things in potentially dangerous situations only to be rescued by potentially dangerous equipment." -- Charles Thomas "If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. If you want to experience the element, get out of the vehicle." -Anon. "...And once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you long to return..." - Leonardo da Vinci "Better to be on the ground, wishing you were in the air, than in the air, wishing you were on the ground!" "The probability of someone watching you is in direct relation to the stupidity of your actions" --on the Raeford manifest "There's two types of skydivers. Those who've landed off the DZ, and those who are GOING to land off the DZ." - "Doc", C-180 pilot at Paranaut Skydiving, Omro, WI after I landed in a frozen, plowed bean field on my second static line jump. --Charles Thomas "The higher we soar, the smaller we seem to those who cannot fly." "Living: It's the only thing worth dying for." "Man uses only 11% of his brain. The fact that makes extreme sports possible." - Trinh BÄ Tung When people look like ants - pull When ants look like people - pray What to do when ants look like ants ? Flare. ;) When people look like people - PARTY!!! 1. When in doubt, whip it out. 2. Going low is a rush, it's just not practical. 3. Take it on down, Turkey. Hell aint half full! 4. The biggest part of a skydiver's body is the ego. 5. Skydivers eat their dead. 6. Everyone is a one-way formation. To build something bigger, you gotta do RW. pat works Afraid? Nah. Terrified? Absolutely. Every single jump. --Charles Thomas "Courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to do what needs to be done in spite of one's fear." -- Anon On exit, I am completely mindful. The usual chatter of "he said, she said", the fretting over past actions, the worries over potential problems disappear. It is like the culmination of a lifetime of meditation. Instant mindfulness, complete presence in the moment, total absorption in the here and now, full peace of mind. Of course, that's not why I do it, really I'm just trying to impress women - but that's not working, so the above is a great bonus. My boss gave me a T-shirt yesterday with the following quote from "Stine." I can only figure it's R.L. Stine the writer... "I wonder if one could tell the difference between flying and falling if there was nothing to crash into..." "In a world in which we are all slaves to the laws of gravity, I'm proud to be counted as one of the freedom fighters. Skydive!" --from Wendy Faulkner's .sig "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience? Well ... that comes from poor judgement!" "Skydiving is a dangerous sport that can be done safely." --Bob Church "Hook turns aren't really that hard. You just sort of get the hang of them and they're really not a big deal." - Adam F., 1995 (said in all seriousness as he lay in his hospital bed with brain swelling, a broken back, a broken neck, and a shattered femur after a botched hook turn). "Let's face it, there's a planet out there ...and it's aimed at your face!" Bug Boy's rules of skydiving 1. There is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane. 2. 120 M.P.H. SHIT HAPPENS! 3. Refuse to die! 4. Don't screw with the ground! 5. Friends don't let friends jump pink! Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. At Z-Hills for a long time they had a sign which said "open before impact" My I/E (who's literally taught thousands of 1st jump students) told me something that makes a lot of sense. His comment to me was, "don't bother waving, pointing yelling, etc. If he goes below 3000', try to be where he sees you (should be all the time, anyway, unless he's tracking away) and show him some silk". "Nothing gets more attention of a student, than his jump master showing him some canopy." --Keith Abner Just remember this... "Never try to outswoop your Guardian Angel" --George Galloway "Where ignorance reigns, life is lost." Rage Against the Machine. Brother Wayward's Thought for the day... "Never, ever, ever, attempt a Skydive without going Parachuting immediately afterwards!!!" "100% pure adrenaline... ...other guys snort for it, jab a vein for it... ...all you gotta do is jump" "If at first you don't succeed, so much for skydiving!" "If your hands become frozen and numb, pulling your handles can be difficult, if not impossible. Not pulling your handles is bad." --Charles Thomas in an article about winter skydiving "If you're gonna be dumb, you'd better be tough" "Take not thine altitude in vain, or the earth shall arise and smite thee" "And for only 3500 bottles and cans, you too can skydive..." -DZ owner commenting on new recycling policy... (: "Put on your gear and die like a man! " --Steve Morrell "That antenna looks like a death sandwich without the bread!" --Steve Morrell before a BASE jump "A false sense of confidence is better than none at all!" --John Owens "Alcohol kills brain cells, but only the weak ones!" --Anon "I wouldn't say danger is my life, I prefer to think of it as a hobby." --Chris Stokely "There I was: Terminal at 800 ft, running out of ripcords and ideas!" "Don't be stupid ... live to skydive tomorrow." "I went low 'cause I blew a bootie" My personal favorite is "Skydivers are good to the last drop!" "Dangerous? He's a crater waiting for a grid reference." Whuffo: (pointing to reserve handle) "What will happen if I pull this handle?" Up jumper: "Your nose will start bleeding." "The sky is not the limit; The ground is." --Jamey Woodward "I'll teach you how to jump on the wind's back, and then away we go." --Peter Pan "Black Death!! That dude is so dangerous ... he's a hole in the ground that hasn't started smoking yet!!" "Blue is up, and brown is down!!" "If you want to experience the REALLY great outdoors, fly up in an airplane and step OUTDOORS !" "Eat! Fuck! Skydive!" - As quoted by Glenn Connelly "Keith was one of my closest friends. He died with the helicopter blades turning and the panavision cameras rolling. He lived to skydive and looked for the ultimate challenges. Wish we could all be like him. " - Tony Mercer commenting on Keith Perepelkin's death while performing a stunt for the movie 'Firestorm'. "Keep cool after opening!" --sign on a can of baby food "Don't trust a skydiver ... their cheques bounce.... " "Skydivers know why birds sing ... They don't have to pack every f*cking time they land!" --Randy McConnell at the Richmond Boogie '96 "The best things in life are DANGEROUS!" "If you bounce while skydiving, most people will feel sorry for you and feel some pain, even if you screwed up. If you bounce while BASE jumping, regardless of what you did, you're just an asshole." -- As quoted by TK Hayes "If you tend to make stupid mistakes, or exercise bad judgement, then this may not be the sport for you." --Mike Vederman "Bottom line: always exercise good judgement, always! Don't take shortcuts with your life, check your gear. You have doubts, don't leave the plane. Exercise good judgement." --Mike Vederman "If the main malfunctions than cut it away and pull the reserve. If the reserve malfuntions, than walk _toward_ the bright light!" -- As quoted by David Harry "My wife is on the rag. I'd rather go in than go home." -- As quoted by David Harry "If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space!" "If you're not living on the edge, at least jump off it now and then!" --JC "You know you're a skydiver when .... .... blue sky on a working Monday after a rainy weekend seems like a terrible waste of sunshine." "Gravity's job is to kill you. Your job is to keep that from happening." "It was a great skydive. Weather was fine, formation was good and stable, level okay.... and then came the exit." "Do not take life too seriously; you will never get out of it alive." "Statistics are used as a drunk uses lampposts -- for support, not illumination." -- Neil Spence "those who do, can't explain; those who don't, can't understand" -- Keith Abner "I love the smell of jet fuel in the morning..." -- Keith Abner "Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure." --Helen Adams Keller (1880-1968) "If you're going to land with a ball of shit over your head, it should be as big a ball of shit as possible." -- Bill Von Novak While words are never enough, words are all I have to offer. To those who knew Patti Chernis: Do not stand at my grave and weep, I am not there, I do not sleep. I am the essence of clear blue sky; I am the yearning to climb very high. I am the breeze you feel as you spot; I am the rapture of building a blot. I am the rustle of a canopy in flight; I am the flicker of camp fire light. When you pass through the door into open air, I know you are smiling, I'm the wind in your hair. Do not stand at my grave and cry. I am not there; I did not die. Allen Roulston June 1996 "It's the safest thing in the world, but it can kill you." "Spend hours and hours teaching them how to save their lives, then open the door and trust God." --Rob H. D-9286 "Know skydiving, know life..... NO skydiving, NO life" --Serge Valkeneers On Golden Girls, Rose's mother says to her: "You know, stopping me from living won't stop me from dying". "Skydiving is an invitation, a privilege audaciously and impolitely granted, perfumed with danger and surprise, offering greater freedom of movement, inviting one to live life at some other level. ... If one dares!" "I live with fear and terror, but sometimes I leave her and go skydiving." "My fears about the airplane are RADICALLY reduced on exit." "The only thing dangerous about skydiving is the ground." "Don't play chicken with the ground. The ground doesn't flinch." "No, I'm not afraid of falling into a void, it's the GROUND that scares me!" "It's not the fall that kills you - it's the sudden stop at the end." "Of 10,000 feet of falling, it's the last inch that hurts the most." "If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving is not for you !!" "Air cooled, gravity powered." "Gravity is a lie ... the earth sucks!" "Parachuting is an adventure ... A rousing adventure which is as thrilling and challenging and rewarding as any sport yet known to any age." --Russ Gunby "Apparently man has a need to have that hollow elevator feeling in his stomach when he straps on a helmet." --Mike Truffer "If the good Lord wanted man to stay on the ground, He would have given us roots." --Anonymous "The gull sees farthest who flies highest" --Richard Bach in 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull' "Skydiving is a game of odds. The object of the sport is to improve your odds as much as possible." --Sandy Reid "One of the great attractions of the sport to many of us is that it demands competence and skillful decision-making under pressure" --J. Scott Hamilton "Just as planning prepares you mentally, group practice helps your body get used to going through the motions." "The exultation of seeing fine relative work is surpassed only by the joy of being part of the jump yourself." --Pat Works "The more advanced a canopy is, the more gentle you must be when controlling it." --Charles Shea-Simmonds "Skydiving - it's not just a matter of life and death ... it's much more important than that." "One never died of a pin check." --Paul Sitter "Drugs and gravity don't mix too well" "Be under no false illusions - skydiving can result in your death - but it probably won't." --David Beaumont "I decided that if I could fly for ten years before I was killed in a crash it would be a worthwhile trade for an ordinary lifetime." --Charles Lindbergh "I'm still nervous during the ride up, but I know that I'll feel great when I get out into the air!" --Mike Roam "Never forget; every time you go through the door of an aircraft, you're DEAD; until YOU do something about it". --Wayne Stevens "Thank God man cannot as yet fly, and lay waste to the sky as well as the earth" --Henry David Thoreau, 1861 "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -- Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See "Every man dies, but not every man truly lives." --Wallace "Keep pulling handles 'til your goggles fill with blood" --Anon "To go in with any handles still in place is just bad form". --Anon "You are only good until you think you are good, you are only safe until you think you are safe." --various JMs. Words to live by: "Do not argue with a spouse who is packing your parachute" - Anon "It 's not how far you fall, it's how high you bounce." -- Anon (Concerning setbacks in life ) "Ever tried? Ever failed? Try again. Fail again. Fail better!" -- Anon "Skydiving: Where immortality is touched through danger, where life meets death on equal plane; where man is more than man, and existence both supreme and valueless at the same instant."-- Charles A. Lindbergh "When it comes right down to it, we all must decide whether to live in fear or faith. And living in fear just scares the shit out of me." --Dave ? "In freefall, no one can hear you scream." "I tried golf ... after I hit my instructor with a 3 wood, he told me to take a flying leap ... so I tried skydiving." "Don't let the only mark you leave on this planet be the chalk circle they draw around you when they find the body." -- Anon "Earth is dangerous. Maybe we should sue the manufacturer." -- Tina Marie "Come to the edge, Life said. They said: We are afraid. Come to the edge, Life said. They came. Life pushed them ... and they flew." --Guillaume Apollinaire ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

"harlotry of our nipples" My new favorite phrase. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

This is some serious SHIT. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

But Mama, It's cold outside. 28 degrees in eastern PA. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

I'm a rightie, and I know leftie who attempted to shoot a right-handed flintlock muzzle-loader. Not good. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

I'm selling my snowblower. Or is that what these are? ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Sweet Congrats and Blue Ones. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Hooo Hoooo Hooooo Heeee Heeeee Haaaaa Awwww Crap !!! I peed. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Hi Folks I've been reading all the threads concerning audibles, and, as a rookie - I've been considering one for the extra margin of safety it would provide. Everyone seems so thrilled with the Pro-Track, and the quality and customer service. For now, I would probably not use all the bells and whistles, just the altimeter feature - but I'm sure I'd use the other cool stuff once I'm licensed. My question concerns the peripherals one needs to get everything out of a Pro-Track. They start out $100.00+ more expensive than other units. I figure you must also buy software, and cabling to link the little guy to your PC. What is the total investment required to fully utilize this system? Also - Do You have to buy an expensive helmet to install one of these guys? I'm looking at the Pro-Tec helmets, and their ad doesn't mention the capability of adding an audible. Thanks in advance for any help you may provide. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Hi Ivan I had to move my training to a different DZ because my old one discontinued training. I lost no sleep over it. While it's easy to make friends fast at a cool DZ, you are still there to BUY a service, and RENT gear, and an airplane. I'm assuming you work for your money, so spend it however you want. You'll make more friends at the next DZ. One man's humble opinion. ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."

Think before you say "EAT ME" ----------------=8^)---------------------- "I think that was the wrong tennis court."