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But who will give up first? jakee is brilliant at beating a dead horse. But Coreece insists upon mouth to mouth in a vain attempt to bring that dead horse back to life.

I was re-watching "The World At War" and at about 14:40 into the "Barbarossa" episode a sequence from which I took the attached screen shot was shown. I wonder if anyone can tell us more about this?

I have been jumping 47 years and seldom mention it also. I am tired of the line "why would anyone want to jump out of a perfectly good airplane"

Excerpt from the PARACHUTE from balloons to skydiving James R. Greenwood/© 1964/E.P. Dutton & Co., Inc. "Champions and Showmen: Born in 1939 in Shawnee, Oklahoma, also the birthplace of Astronaut Leroy Gordon Cooper, Jim Arender typifies the all-American-boy image. He entered the Army after a year of college as a premed student, and by choice wound up in the 82nd Airborne Division. In 1958 he became a member of the original Strategic Army Corps (STRAC) parachute team formed at Fort Bragg. And two years later he participated in America’s first successful six-man baton pass from 30,000 feet. By the time he had fulfilled his military obligation, Jim Arender had won a host of parachuting awards and honors. As a civilian, Arender competed as a member of the United States team in the 1961 international invitational meet at La Ferté-Gaucher, France. The team swept all five first-place trophies, the best showing ever made by an American team in world parachuting up to that time. Probably Jim Arender’s most significant triumph so far in competition was winning the world overall parachuting championship in the men’s division at the 1962 international event in Orange, Massachusetts.” Jim Arender and Muriel Simbro (cited earlier in this thread) Photo credits: Bob Buquor--See also: Bob Buquor Memorial Star Crest Awards https://www.starcrestawards.com/under-windsock/bob-buquor/

I think what Jakee is saying is: 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

Good post; not that I agree with it all necessarily, but thanks for the "move the ball" approach. I have a feeling, though, that the highlight on "you can keep your doctor" and "you'll have to pass it then read it" were talking points. For one thing, the whole quote from Pelosi “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” I.e. controversy would keep up until it was passed, regardless of how long there was. The full text was available on the website for over a week before the vote. No one in their right mind actually thinks that all congresscritters themselves read the bills; they have staffies for that. The doctor quote was more disingenuous -- however, if it had been qualified as it should have been, do you really think that it, too, wouldn't have been taken out of context and weaponized? It's what the media do these days. And yes, I'm going to say that the opinion-mongering media are worse about that. I tend to use the media bias charts to decide how much to believe the contextuality of stuff I read, and, frankly, Fox News Opinion shows (which they don't do a good job of differentiating from straight news) skew pretty doggone hard right. Wendy P.

Absolutely agree. It moved the needle and provided more insight into the challenges, costs and other issues. It's possible that the way it was done, the - "you can keep your doctor, and you'll have to pass it then read it later", and the mandate - kinda stuff that ticked off a lot of people. One thing it did was allow companies to stop providing healthcare coverage using the excuse that, "the government has a system that covers you now." I know a few folks that lost company coverage back when this started. I haven't followed this much but read a fairly long post on the topic here is SC. There were some people being well served but the majority were stating what their premiums are and their deductible. Both were quite high. The deductibles were $1 - $2.5K higher than mine and I'm on a high deductible plan. With those high premiums and deductible numbers it works if you have significant healthcare issues. I'm on a Board with a guy that is in that industry. He flat out said that the ACA has been a huge money maker for them. Something doesn't make sense. There certainly has to be a better solution.

Buuuuuullshit. ”Trump administration releases Science and Technology accomplishments over first term... Highlights include ending the Covid-19 pandemic.” Now then C-dawg, you be intellectually honest and tell me if that’s saying the Trump admin ended the pandemic or not. I actually read past the word "pandemic" and skimmed the actual report that talks about how they're ending it, so it would be intellectually dishonest for me to claim they're saying it already ended when the context doesn't support that. If they used the words "ended" and "defeated" then there wouldn't be any room for interpretation, but they didn't. If one didn't read past the word "pandemic," then they're just uninformed and have to rely on headlines and/or their own bias to interpret the poorly worded text. . . .and that bias should be pretty easy to demonstrate. I mean would any of you have honestly read the other "highlights" listed in the press release as if they were past tense and that everything they said had already been accomplished?

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-6bc5-d2df-adff-6fdfff5c0000 Front page, bold type, all caps. You said that "Trump even got the White House Science Office [sic] (bit of an oxymoron there) to say that Trump was responsible for "ending the COVID-19 pandemic." What you posted is the press release, not the actual report from the OSTP - and neither say that it has ended like you suggested it did. The only way to come to that conclusion is if you're being intellectually dishonest or you just didn't read beyond your own confirmation bias and are being dragged by the nose by misleading headlines that impose on the text.

The original was likely removed or changed, as WH communications director has admitted it was "poorly worded": https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/10/28/white-house-claim-that-trump-ended-the-pandemic-was-poorly-worded-spokesperson-says/ - they're not denying it You're confused. The original OSTP report was not modified. What she was referring to as "poorly worded" was the press release, which is what you actually posted in your previous reply. It reads: "ENDING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC: From the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Administration has taken decisive actions to engage scientists and health professionals in academia, industry, and government to understand, treat, and defeat the disease." I agree it could've been worded better, but you still have to be pretty intellectually dishonest to say that that they're claiming it has ended when they didn't, especially when the original OSTP report that it's referencing specifically talks about how it's a "generational problem" and can "only be addressed through a whole-of-society approach."

Well, I'm convinced. I'm not going to vote for Hillary.

+1

Yes, I can see your hypocrisy.

The last two 1-term presidents were decent, honorable human beings.

1st year in sport, wanted to talk to everybody about it and expected most would love it. 2nd-4th year in sport, loved to talk about it but realized most would never do it. 5th-30th year in the sport, change the subject when someone brings it up, having heard every wuffo skydiving story and joke way too many times.

Your google algorithm for your IP must be very special.

Today’s Announcement of a Hummer EV Truck Today’s release of the 1000 horsepower electric Hummer truck/SUV and its 200 kWh battery going 350 miles and can fast-charge at 0.4 megawatts to refuel 100 miles in just 10 minutes. Much as we can thank Apple for the ability to buy a terabyte SSD for $100 (Even if the flash is manufactured by someone else), and that we can thank NVIDIA/AMD for kickstarting 3D GPU graphics innovations that now fit in a mobile phone/smartwatch (Even if the GPU is manufactured by someone else) — we have to blame Tesla for turning crazy expensive luxury $500 laptop batteries into viable cheap profitable gigawatt-output electric utility grid batteries (Even if the batteries are manufactured by someone else). Now about that official Hummer EV... While the Hummer EV is more expensive than a Model 3 Tesla, since it is using some more proprietary higher power battery than standardized form factors (18650, 2170s, etc)... the audacity of a Hummer EV out-Hummering a petrol Hummer (longer range than most gas Hummers, more horsepower, better offroading, fastest 0-to-60 in 3 seconds, etc, etc). This continues to portends the unexpected trojan horse of lithium to vehicles formerly never dreamed of going officially electric in our lifetimes. But it’s there, GMC.com website, prototypes already on road, and ready to preorder today! The audacity that something like that exists today for purchasing..... Hummer? EV? In the same sentence? And drives further than most gasoline Hummers? Doubletake. I truly think that people who disbelieves ePlanes are THAT far behind need to look again — even a kick in their behind to really run the numbers again on the fast-moving target — just a little more engineering left to click all the checkboxes for a lightweight ePlane conversion kit with a 10-minute between-loads recharge — I am starting to now think zero passenger jump capacity loss may actually be possible by 2030 for Caravans/Otters, since the electric motor replacing original old turbines are much lighter and may be all the weight savings you need for battery for just 1 load + 30 min level flight reserve capacity with ZERO jumper passenger loss, possibly... In a recent conversation — too many pilots still disbelieve that ePlanes are hurtling towards real-world practicality for short-range ops and jump-plane ops. I have to wave a neon checkered flag “yoo-hoo”, to look closer... Someone needs to write a Parachutist article about this to get the word out since a turbine re-engine is no longer as rubberstampable as IBM in the 1960s and 1970s (“You never got fired for choosing IBM”...until someone did). So many planes are approaching re-engine dates in 2025-2030 and many re-engine vendors are ignoring electric (at peril) given the recent surprising performance statistics of this year’s Magnix trials (including the Magnix 750hp having superior go-around rev-up performance than a 900hp Garrett from what I heard — the electric “instant spoolup” factor). I think vendors need to look at the engine & battery separately; the engine is here now, but the battery is “just about barely” not good enough for jump ops at zero passenger loss (yet), but the rapidity of Tesla means appropriate batteries for jump ops will fit in the necessary profitability no-compromises (except 10-minute between-loads recharge) envelope sooner than later. In the trials, the motor apparently is already good enough for skydiving operations; the battery just needs a few more years to catch up. So approaching the problem at different angles; the motor and the battery(capacity/weight). And watching Tesla/Hummer/etc — the writing is on the wall... At first, it might require a more well captialized dropzone (e.g. a Skydive Dubai or a Skydive Perris) to do the headway of being the first (with more expensive lightweight proprietary lithium batteries) and reap the profit/rewards of low-cost jump ops after the high capital cost of being first — gradually chainsaw all the FAA red tape down to get specific conversions kits approved — then the floodgates open as a competitive alternative to normal re-engines, and the cost of ePlane conversion kits really fall (with more commodity Tesla-style batteries). We’ve been ignoring ePlanes/electric conversions with disbelief for so long, until the Hummer EV / Tesla EV / Magnix wake-up call. A conversation with disbelieving aviation stakeholder is why I started making a lot of noise in this thread — not because I want to advertise or troll anything — but a big aviation operational cost-savings opportunity red button is flashing. Texas Turbine should put Magnix on speed dial and get into the electric jump plain conversion business before someone else beats them to the market by 2030...!

Most of us starting our skydiving journeys alone; skydiving absolutely isn't for everyone. Lots of people I know don't know I jump, or only know in passing -- but I've been jumping a long time. None of the people even in my first jump class kept doing it beyond 2-3 jumps, and that was only one of them. It's why tandem is such a great introduction, frankly. It lets people have a lot of the experience, without the commitment of learning too much that they'll be too nervous about messing up to actually enjoy the jump. Wendy P.