Kimblair13 0 #1 July 20, 2005 What do ya'll think a textbook type of canopy progression would look like? For example: Lazer Tri PD Esprit Sabre 2 XF 2 Katana FX VX Not really in that order, that's just an example. Doesn't have to go Icarus route either. Just curious as to what people think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #2 July 20, 2005 PD PD PD PD PD PD PD very small PD IN THAT ORDER!SoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying. Because nobody knows your skills better than you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzle 0 #3 July 20, 2005 How small do PD make the F111 range of PD canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sabre1Lucke 0 #4 July 20, 2005 PD Sabre 150 PD Sabre 135 PD Sabre2 120 Maybe a smaller PD Afterwards back to a Sabre2 190 because I'm getting to old to jump high performance canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdfreefly 1 #5 July 20, 2005 manta pd 210 saber 190 saber 170 spectre 170 safire 149 crossfire 139 Jedi 135ish Crossfire 119 Crossfire2 119 velocity 111(whoops....ouch!) Crossfire2 119 ;) Methane Freefly - got stink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookncrater 0 #6 July 20, 2005 Navigator 0.75 --> 0.95 Safire 2/Lotus/Fusion 1.0 --> 1.2 Nitro/Nitron/Samurai 1.3 --> 1.4 Crossfire 2/Katana 1.5 --> 1.8 (insert favorite x-brace here) >1.8 something like that IMHO Notice the absence of the Sabre2... bleh ________________________________________________________________________________ when in doubt... hook it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #7 July 20, 2005 Manta 280 somethign 220 PD 210 Triathlon 190 Sabre2 170 Sabre2 150 Sabre2 135 Velocity 120 (in about another 500 or so jumps maybe) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #8 July 20, 2005 skybarge 300 ----> xbraced sub 100 in 20 jumps, that should be pretty good. just kidding my thought process is that there is no text book canopy progression because people are not text book. some do and learn things quicker/slower than others, the feel of a canopy can be totally different depending on the person even if it's the same exact canopy. plus, a persons canopy goals are different for everyone, some want to survive freefall, some want to explore canopy flight to the fullest, just depends on what the person wants. however, i guess we can generalize. start with a big square canopy, after this it's anybodies guess on what would be text book. just my .02Slip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #9 July 20, 2005 Triathlon 220 Sabre2 190 Sabre2 170 Crossfire2 139 Crossfire2 119 Velocity 111 Velocity 103 plus ... Spectre 150 (for wingsuit jumps) Samurai 136 (for Ground Launching) FLiK 293 (BASE) Rock Dragon 303 (BASE) Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
volo 0 #10 July 21, 2005 Manta Esprit 170 PD Stilleto 135 PD Stilleto 120 Precision Xaos-21 108 ...PD Velocity 103 Jason Jerusalem [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #11 July 25, 2005 My Ideal: Manta (0.8) 50 jumps Safire2 209 (1.0-1.2) 250 jumps Safire2 189 (1.2-1.4) 250 jumps Crossfire2 169 (1.4-1.6) 500 jumps Crossfire2 139 (1.8-2.0) 500 jumps Extreme VX 119 (2.0-2.2) Until age 65... Crossfire2 139 (1.8-2.0) 500 jumps Crossfire2 169 (1.4-1.6) 500 jumps Safire2 189 (1.2-1.4) 250 jumps Safire2 209 (1.0-1.2) 250 jumps Manta (0.8) 50 jumps Die happy at 75, having done 5-6,000 jumps Mine (so far): Manta (0.8) 50 jumps Sabre1 190 (1.2-1.4) 850 jumps Crossfire2 169 (1.6-1.8) 250 jumps Crossfire2 139 (1.8-2.0) 60 jumps...--- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brierebecca 0 #12 July 26, 2005 Ooooooh! cool pic! "Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berchtoldaj 0 #13 July 27, 2005 I weigh 190-200 lbs: PD 210 100j's Diablo 170- 200j's Diablo 150- 200j's Diablo 135- 200 j's Samurai 136- 150j's Samurai 120- 100j's Velocity 111- 150j's Velocity 103- 200j's Though I say this on every canopy, " I'm gonna stay with this one, Its fast enough"************ Watch out for planters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mathias 0 #14 July 31, 2005 Can't wait to see your fat ass on a velocity!!! Ingen minns en fegis! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #15 July 31, 2005 QuoteVelocity 120 You and I are roughly the same size and I'm on a Velo 103 right now. In otherwords, don't go for too big of a cross-braced canopy when you're to go cross-braced. These canopies are meant to be loaded fairly high. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #16 August 2, 2005 not what mine was ;) nav 260 - 10 jumps nav 220 - 10 jumps sabre 210 - 18 jumps sabre 190 - 2 jumps safire 179 - 200 jumps (measures like a PD 162) pilot 150 - 20 Jumps broken leg (learned lesson about rushing things Read Brian Germaines book while laid up in bed for three months like 5 times) sabre2 170 - 250 jumps (From march to June of this year) Sabre12 150 - 40 jumps And I will stick to my current canopy for at least another 200-300 jumps as of right now, I am working on being really consistant with this canopy and putting it where I want to hanging away from traffic and swooping longer. Cheers and blues... Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CRESPO24 0 #17 October 26, 2005 RAVEN 3 SABRE2 170 XAOS-21 118 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #18 October 26, 2005 Mine was: Sky trainer - round canopy! (4 jumps) PD-230 (16 jumps) Raider 220 (30 jumps) PD-170 (400 jumps) Sabre 150 (200 jumps) Sabre 135 (230 jumps) Spectre 135 (280 jumps) No plans to change canopy size any time soon! Vicki Edited because I left the round out!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #19 October 26, 2005 Quote What do ya'll think a textbook type of canopy progression would look like? I'm counting two, maybe three people that read your post, as opposed to just giving their own canopy progressions . For what it's worth, my (inexperienced) thoughts: - Start on student canopies (Manta etc.) - A couple of hundred jumps on a Spectre/Tri/Sabre2/Pilot/Safire2 at about 1.0 - Many hundreds of jumps on various sizes of Safire2/Sabre2/Nitro/etc to get to 1.5 wingloading or a 120 size. - Crossfire2 or Katana for as long as it takes. - FX/VX/Velo if and when you're ready. Thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #20 October 26, 2005 QuoteRAVEN 3 SABRE2 170 XAOS-21 118 shocked by the canopy size shocked by the high loading/experience ratio shocked by the "low" loading on the canopy. hope you don't Crater. scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #21 October 26, 2005 manta 288 something 220 p.d. 9 cell 190 p.d. 9 cell 170 sabre 150 esprit 135 stilletto 135 stilletto 120 stilletto 107 crossfire 99 vx 87 velo 84 jvx 87 9 cell baby. ok so i didnt read the post. this is MY progression. i dont think there is a text book progression, everyone is different. this would have been text book progression for me. depends on your dicipline, and what you want to "progress to". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #22 October 26, 2005 Ahh so Mark, you think that a textbook progression (after all that was the original question) should include old technology canopies? IMO (once off student canopies): Lightly loaded Sabre2 category canopy (1.0 or less no smaller than a 170 to begin). Gradually step up the loading over time by descreasing size until the loading gets to around the 1.6 area staying in the Sabre2 category canopy Katana category canopy at the same loading as the last Sabre2 category canopy Gradually step down and increase loading until loads are approximately 2.0 Velocity category canopy thereafter There are no hard or fast jump numbers to put the progression to, but there are definitely minumum jump number/experience categories. I think Brians Germaines (sp?) chart is a good place to start. In a 'text book' progression (i.e ideal) the Stiletto, Heatwave, Original Sabre and PD F1-11 range canopies (old or short recovery arc canopies) wouldn't even make the print. Blues.To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #23 October 26, 2005 QuoteAhh so Mark, you think that a textbook progression (after all that was the original question) should include old technology canopies? what???? i saw this,Quote Order of canopies.... so i posted what you talking about? edit: gotcha, didnt read the whole post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #24 October 26, 2005 Quoteedit: gotcha, didnt read the whole post. hehe - I know. I was teasing you cause you replied to the guy who mentioned that most people hadn't read the whole post To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #25 October 26, 2005 i saw jason had jumped a esprit, so i got excited and posted my progression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
