DB Cooper

[nigel99 144]

- Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

My jump numbers are very far from accurate - I fall into the 100 jump wonder category which if you research on dz.com is a far more dangerous and despised group than the 1 jump whuffo's!

It could be worse though this thread contains violence/politics and religion so it "could" be moved to SC.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

[snowmman 3]

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violence/politics and religion

Yes, those 3 words did indeed play into a bunch of the hijackings in the '70s. (violence was sometimes directed to hijacker, sometimes to others)

Maybe we should discuss each, in detail.

It's amazing how we can always find new leads to pursue.

[Orange1 0]

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[His vita says 1-jump. And now he is expert!
Perhaps to take up tiddly winks or water wading
and be expert there?

I don't know Nigel but there is a pic of a round, and for some reason some of these old fogies who have been aroud many years just put "1" or "2" down when they have hundreds or thousands of jumps. I'd guess Nigel has more than one jump

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[georger 197]

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- Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

My jump numbers are very far from accurate - I fall into the 100 jump wonder category which if you research on dz.com is a far more dangerous and despised group than the 1 jump whuffo's!

It could be worse though this thread contains violence/politics and religion so it "could" be moved to SC.

well, know know more about it than I do. I have a feeling you know more about it than you do!

[georger 197]

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[His vita says 1-jump. And now he is expert!
Perhaps to take up tiddly winks or water wading
and be expert there?

I don't know Nigel but there is a pic of a round, and for some reason some of these old fogies who have been aroud many years just put "1" or "2" down when they have hundreds or thousands of jumps. I'd guess Nigel has more than one jump

Violent/politics and religion? Sounds like my astronomy club - people who want and think they control the world. Then they cant find the keys to get into the gate and always call for help at 3:00am.
We always send a deputy down to see if they are
drunk, and o escort them home. But without them there would be no astronomy club! They are the only ones that always show up for meetings, even in blizzards!

[Erroll 49]

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It's amazing how we can always find new leads to pursue.

Do you know whether DBC was a Democrat or a Republican?

[377 21]

Neither. Last seen, DBC was right in the middle, between the left and right wing positions.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[happythoughts 0]

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Neither. Last seen, DBC was right in the middle, between the left and right wing positions.

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...last seen exiting from under the tail.

Dog poop or a politician.

[skyjack71 0]

WELL, I have been quiet, but we may have the most advanced recognition program in the world considering doing a comparison of several photos of Duane against others of seemingly no interest to the FBI.

This could involve full body shots and an old home video...body and movement comparison and give him a 45 yr old body and face. What would the crew do with a re-enactment like that? What these people can do is beyond any recognition program available to the public.

We have NOT been idle.

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[georger 197]

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WELL, I have been quiet, but we may have the most advanced recognition program in the world considering doing a comparison of several photos of Duane against others of seemingly no interest to the FBI.

This could involve full body shots and an old home video...body and movement comparison and give him a 45 yr old body and face. What would the crew do with a re-enactment like that? What these people can do is beyond any recognition program available to the public.

We have NOT been idle.

[snowmman 3]

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WELL, I have been quiet, but we may have the most advanced recognition program in the world considering doing a comparison of several photos of Duane against others of seemingly no interest to the FBI.

This could involve full body shots and an old home video...body and movement comparison and give him a 45 yr old body and face. What would the crew do with a re-enactment like that? What these people can do is beyond any recognition program available to the public.

We have NOT been idle.

This is weird. Most of the advanced human motion software is used in FPS video games, which provides the cash for "better".

When Halo 3 was released, there were rumors that Duane Weber body motion was somehow captured and used in the game.
Also: evidently one of the designers was a jumper and the "Halo" name was always sort of an in joke.

I did a lot of search work, and I think the fighter in this trailer is based on the human body motion of Duane Weber, after he landed from Flight 305. Also: are the kids looking up at the night sky looking for Duane/Cooper? Did two kids really see Duane?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCsdPszJLNQ

Why does it say "Finish the Fight" ??

That rhymes with "Hide in plain sight" which can be spelled (homonym) as "Hide in plane site"

At first, I thought that meant something was hid on Flight 305.

But now I'm thinking "plane site" is actually a cryptic reference to dropzone.com, which is a plane-related web site?

Still not done spidering the web. Google's crawl of the web continually gets in my way. Ought to be a law.

(edit) Note the US Army has my back on this post.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/events/playandwin/sniperschool/

[georger 197]

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WELL, I have been quiet, but we may have the most advanced recognition program in the world considering doing a comparison of several photos of Duane against others of seemingly no interest to the FBI.

This could involve full body shots and an old home video...body and movement comparison and give him a 45 yr old body and face. What would the crew do with a re-enactment like that? What these people can do is beyond any recognition program available to the public.

We have NOT been idle.

This is weird. Most of the advanced human motion software is used in FPS video games, which provides the cash for "better".

When Halo 3 was released, there were rumors that Duane Weber body motion was somehow captured and used in the game.
Also: evidently one of the designers was a jumper and the "Halo" name was always sort of an in joke.

I did a lot of search work, and I think the fighter in this trailer is based on the human body motion of Duane Weber, after he landed from Flight 305. Also: are the kids looking up at the night sky looking for Duane/Cooper? Did two kids really see Duane?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCsdPszJLNQ

Why does it say "Finish the Fight" ??

That rhymes with "Hide in plain sight" which can be spelled (homonym) as "Hide in plane site"

At first, I thought that meant something was hid on Flight 305.

But now I'm thinking "plane site" is actually a cryptic reference to dropzone.com, which is a plane-related web site?

Still not done spidering the web. Google's crawl of the web continually gets in my way. Ought to be a law.

(edit) Note the US Army has my back on this post.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/events/playandwin/sniperschool/

Without sales-marketing agent Jo Weber there would be no Duane Weber~DB Cooper!

The world wouldn't even know the name.

Jo aimed low on purpose deciding that Duane-the-Prophet wouldn't float to get
market share. She lost all the significant rights
years ago. Wooops!

The best Jo has to look forward to is an endless
legal fight that she can never end. In the meantime
Jo laughs on, she has a throng of admirers, and
Duane lotto tickets are selling well.

DB Cooper? Who was that? What was that? Maybe
they will teach it in a history class someday.

[skyjack71 0]

The best Jo has to look forward to is an endless
legal fight that she can never end. In the meantime
Jo laughs on, she has a throng of admirers, and
Duane lotto tickets are selling well.



Snowmman - question? - the home movie I have of Duane has NEVER been shown to anyone - and he was this was in his 60's...it was a family affair.

The first step is the comparison of the photos of not only Duane but also comparing the SLC photo with 2 possibles - either one of the possibles puts Duane in a position to have the knowledge to do what he dd.

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[georger 197]

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The best Jo has to look forward to is an endless
legal fight that she can never end. In the meantime
Jo laughs on, she has a throng of admirers, and
Duane lotto tickets are selling well.



Oh, so you plan to sue them and others over rights
to Duane material? You started an industry with
your Duane-pitch. Who now OWNS THE RIGHTS?

I think material you shared is now in the public
domain and out of your control. You were sloppy
and too verbose and shared too much too freely -
now the rights are gone!

Meanwhile the real DB Cooper and the real DB Cooper
story has gone elsewhere. Guess Duane is all you
will ever get!

The DB Cooper industry is a COMPETITIVE industry.
Or had you failed to keep track of that? New candidates
will surface soon and the Duane-pitch will fall like
stock in a free-fall.

[snowmman 3]

Okay,

Jo has introduced the notion of a secret video tape.
Apparently it has video of Duane Weber and can be used to recreate his body motion. That's all we know so far.

I did some quick research to see when this tape might have been made at the earliest, given the advent of home camcorders (guess it was done with a home camcorder)

Interestingly, Sony first introduced a prototype videocassete in 1969.
The format was called U-matic.

But here's the scary thing, that shows an amazing connection.

It was introduced to the market in September 1971, just two months before the 305 hijack. It was among the first video formats to have the videotape in a cassette, as opposed to open reel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umatic

The U-matic format may not be directly related to the video tape Jo has kept hidden. But there's clearly a historical thread there, going back to two months before the hijack.

Hopefully Jo will be able to tell us more about this.

[snowmman 3]

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I think material you shared is now in the public
domain and out of your control

well, viruses and trojans work this way. It's a mistake to assume there is no control thread, though.

The goal is always maximum penetration of the public domain.

Allowing information to be slightly uncontrolled (in appearance) gives maximum dispersal.

[georger 197]

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I think material you shared is now in the public
domain and out of your control

well, viruses and trojans work this way. It's a mistake to assume there is no control thread, though.

The goal is always maximum penetration of the public domain.

Allowing information to be slightly uncontrolled (in appearance) gives maximum dispersal.

Jo is NOT a genius! Jo goes in predictable cycles and
always will. Jo's mistake is in thinking SHE is in control. She isn't. She will never understand what went wrong.

[snowmman 3]

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I think material you shared is now in the public
domain and out of your control

well, viruses and trojans work this way. It's a mistake to assume there is no control thread, though.

The goal is always maximum penetration of the public domain.

Allowing information to be slightly uncontrolled (in appearance) gives maximum dispersal.

Jo is NOT a genius! Jo goes in predictable cycles and
always will. Jo's mistake is in thinking SHE is in control. She isn't. She will never understand what went wrong.

I see your point. But: let's be data-driven.
As long as there are recent news/web articles being written that mention Duane Weber, still, then de-facto she has succeeded.

Myself, I think Dan Cooper was a guy who was trying to imitate Duane Weber. I don't know why I think that. But Duane Weber is obviously part of the case for some reason, and the DBC imitates Duane theory is the only thing I can come up with.

Maybe Duane was a terrorist cell leader? Maybe he trained a number of hijackers.

I'm thinking the story needs to be bigger for when it becomes a video game. There needs to be more bad guys and more hijacks.
Oh and we need extreme details on the various weapons Duane was connected with (handgun? rifle?)...I'm thinking that the player is Duane, and the different levels are the different parts of Duane's life. Hopefully there's enough movie/tape for accurate motion capture.

Could Duane pick locks? It would be good if he could.

You know what's cool about being a kid nowadays? You can learn how to pick locks off the web and you can order potassium nitrate online.

Man, we were kids in the wrong era! :)

[skyjack71 0]

I was laughing so hare I got choked -
The video I am referring to was a family reunion in the 80's and there are clips of Duane there walking around - in viewing it we took note of HOW Duane stayed away from the videao camera. There was so much going on he couldn't stay out of every shot.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 197]

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I was laughing so hare I got choked -
The video I am referring to was a family reunion in the 80's and there are clips of Duane there walking around - in viewing it we took note of HOW Duane stayed away from the videao camera. There was so much going on he couldn't stay out of every shot.

While the motion studies of a vampire might be
interesting to some public the larger question
remains:

Nosferatu do not Parachute! Vestibular dyntroxius makes that impossible.

You have spoken about Duaner's vampire gate
before. COOPER WAS NOT REPORTED AS HAVING
A VAMPIRE'S MOTION OR GATE! COOPER WALKED
PERFECTLY NORMALLY. NOBODY CLAIMED COOPER
WAS NOSFERATU. ONLY YOU MAKE THAT CLAIM IN
BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND DUANER.

Once you are done sucking the blood from the
Cooper industry will there be anything left for
the coming generations?

You are aware aren;t you that all claims about
Duane being DB Cooper come from you. Duane
Weber, petty criminal, never left one thing of his
own to indicate he was DB Cooper. THATS YOUR
STORY!

Every witness to the Cooper hijackling sayed Cooper
was physically normal. Had a normal walk and motions.

Duaner Weber's early medical records and examinations at prisons tell another story which
documents Weber's physical conditions YEARS
BEFORE - THE COOPER HIJACK EVEN OCCURRED!
You cannot claim Duane's wierd walk and hip malformation was the result of a parachuting incident.
It existed prior to DBCooper and 11-24-71 even
happening.

Now. If you want to claim you and Duane were nosferatu I can perhaps believe that. That Duane
infected you and you are "only seeking the truth"!
There is medical help today for this condition and
you have been told that 10,000 times.

You come here to a DB Cooper & Parachute Forum
and want to talk about vampires and your personal mental problems and the size of Duane Weber's gonads!

Find another outlet.

[Orange1 0]

This stuff about recreating what a person looks like younger (or as they age). Let's not get all blinded by the fact that "the computer" does it. A computer only does what people program it to do. The people who program this are most likely forensic artists, because age progression is part of their training. Why is it someone will believe "the computer" (probably programmed by a forensic artist or at least using the same methodology) and yet dispute the work of a forensic artist who made a sketch according to eyewitnesses?

The English have some wonderful words. I believe the one best suited to all this is "poppycock".

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[georger 197]

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This stuff about recreating what a person looks like younger (or as they age). Let's not get all blinded by the fact that "the computer" does it. A computer only does what people program it to do. The people who program this are most likely forensic artists, because age progression is part of their training. Why is it someone will believe "the computer" (probably programmed by a forensic artist or at least using the same methodology) and yet dispute the work of a forensic artist who made a sketch according to eyewitnesses?

The English have some wonderful words. I believe the one best suited to all this is "poppycock".

I deleted my first reply to make a shorter better one.

Duane's medical records exist. The FBI has them.
Others have them. Duane's medical records speak for Duane. This was Duane's heritage from his
actual life. He never said he was DB Cooper.
Jo Weber said that, after Duane was dead!

Jo can try and avoid Duane's medical records but
she cannot change them and fortunately she
cannot remove them either!

The central issue is Faith vs Science & Fact.

I have come to see Jo Weber as essentially a _____.
She always rebounds with a smirk because
she knows all she has to do is cast her net one more time and she will drag in something or someone. Jo is a fisher of souls, and a little
property thrown in along the way doesnt hurt
either!

Most people 'searching for the truth' know when they've hit a wall. Anything beyond that is
neurosis and cult activity and commercialism.
And Jo knows all of this! Therein is the key. Jo
knows what she is doing and she has known for
13+ years. Anyone who wants to join her cult is
welcome to do it.

But there is not one shred of evidence that
Duane Weber ever said he was or claimed to be
DB Cooper. Everything has come from Jo Weber
and her production activity AFTER Duane Weber was dead and no longer available to speak for or even defend, himself.

So far as I know Ralph Himmeslbach has never
spoken publically on this issue. Again, all we have
is Jo Weber's accounts of "what Ralph Himmelsbach
said or did or thought". There is something basically
wrong with that picture!

But make no mistake about this. Jo will cast her
net again! And if she survives Himmelsbach she
will have a LOT to say about what Ralph Himmelsbach said and did et cetera.

The time has arrived for Himmelsbach to speak
publically about this. If he does not he runs the
very real risk of leaving it to Jo Weber to speak
for him, after he is gone!

I shudder at that prospect.





Georger

[snowmman 3]

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I was laughing so hare I got choked -
The video I am referring to was a family reunion in the 80's and there are clips of Duane there walking around - in viewing it we took note of HOW Duane stayed away from the videao camera. There was so much going on he couldn't stay out of every shot.

In my heart, I knew there had to be a Magruder tape. I knew it would surface, just a matter of when.

Now we have to do the frame by frame analysis. Yes, I can see how Duane was probably skulking about, hiding from the camera.

So it's a videotape? I thought you had said film at one point and was thinking 8mm or Super8.

Is this some kind of VHS tape?

A video of Duane at a party, obviously hiding from the camera, it's gotta be worth a couple million in distribution rights?
(edit) I'm thinking of a Youtube release, so people could do some techno mashups.
Tubes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtOoQFa5ug8

Finally, there's evidence.

[georger 197]

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I was laughing so hare I got choked -
The video I am referring to was a family reunion in the 80's and there are clips of Duane there walking around - in viewing it we took note of HOW Duane stayed away from the videao camera. There was so much going on he couldn't stay out of every shot.

In my heart, I knew there had to be a Magruder tape. I knew it would surface, just a matter of when.

Now we have to do the frame by frame analysis. Yes, I can see how Duane was probably skulking about, hiding from the camera.

So it's a videotape? I thought you had said film at one point and was thinking 8mm or Super8.

Is this some kind of VHS tape?

A video of Duane at a party, obviously hiding from the camera, it's gotta be worth a couple million in distribution rights?
(edit) I'm thinking of a Youtube release, so people could do some techno mashups.
Tubes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtOoQFa5ug8

Finally, there's evidence.

Fish#1. Do they pay you for this?

[skyjack71 0]

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You have spoken about Duaner's vampire gate
before. COOPER WAS NOT REPORTED AS HAVING
A VAMPIRE'S MOTION OR GATE! COOPER WALKED
PERFECTLY NORMALLY. NOBODY CLAIMED COOPER
WAS NOSFERATU. ONLY YOU MAKE THAT CLAIM IN
BEHALF OF YOURSELF AND DUANER

Where are YOU getting this garbage from. I never noticed that Duane had any unusual gate.
He did not walk with a limp. This was something note by others and has been taken into consideration. I lived with the man and yes I knew he had one hip higher than the other because I hemmed his pants - but NO noticable limp or gate obvious to me unless his knee hurt.
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Once you are done sucking the blood from the
Cooper industry will there be anything left for
the coming generations?

Ahh Now ! So you want the LEGEND to continue and for the truth to never be known . Now we all know why you come here - for self-fulfilment.
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Every witness to the Cooper hijackling sayed Cooper
was physically normal. Had a normal walk and motions.

I have NEVER contradicted that or made a claim otherwise. Any limp Duane may have had other than an occassional knee ache or when he broke his leg in the later yrs was not known to me.
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Duaner Weber's early medical records and examinations at prisons tell another story which
documents Weber's physical conditions YEARS
BEFORE - THE COOPER HIJACK EVEN OCCURRED!
You cannot claim Duane's wierd walk and hip malformation was the result of a parachuting incident.
It existed prior to DBCooper and 11-24-71 even
happening.

Where did you get this GARBAGE?
If you have access to his medical records from the prisons or physicians - then you NEED to reveal that. Even I don't have access to his prison medical records. you are CIA or FBI - because NO one else had ever been able to access those records.

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You come here to a DB Cooper & Parachute Forum
and want to talk about vampires and your personal mental problems and the size of Duane Weber's gonads!

I and everyone else here realizes you are only trying to incite me and to discredit me in anyway you can - it will not work.
I am responding in a nice polite way with the facts. What you are doing only makes you look bad NOT me.

What are you motives if not for the reasons I have cited.
My accusations about you being other than what you present yourself are become even more evident when you claim to have information not available except to the officials of the FBI or CIA and other protective agencies in the USA.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber