DB Cooper

[FLYJACK 654]

Robert99

***The St. Johns Landfill/dump was operational in the 70's and is at the east end of the Columbia Slough close to the Williamette. maybe a 3-4 mile float to TBar, has this been considered as a possible source of the cash??

Flyjack, this possible source has not been considered before to the best of my knowledge. I would like to defer further comment on this to a future date. In any event, I'll go where the facts indicate.

If you can find a source for the early 1970s Columbia River data, please post or PM immediately. Both Georger and I will probably have trouble keeping our feet on the planet if you find that data.

In the meantime, stay tuned and keep the faith. As mentioned earlier, the wheels are moving and time is of the essence.

Robert99

what data are you looking for,,

Historical Crests for Columbia River at Vancouver

(1) 31.00 ft on 06/13/1948
(2) 30.80 ft on 06/01/1948
(3) 27.70 ft on 12/25/1964
(4) 27.60 ft on 06/04/1956
(5) 27.20 ft on 02/09/1996
(6) 26.30 ft on 06/19/1933
(7) 26.20 ft on 05/31/1928
(8) 26.00 ft on 06/12/1921
(9) 25.90 ft on 06/26/1950
(10) 25.60 ft on 06/16/1903
(11) 25.44 ft on 01/19/1965
(12) 25.30 ft on 06/22/1917
(13) 25.30 ft on 06/03/1916
(14) 25.20 ft on 06/13/1913
(15) 22.55 ft on 01/03/1997
(16) 21.50 ft on 06/12/1972
(17) 21.10 ft on 06/22/1974
(18) 19.54 ft on 01/24/1970
(19) 19.03 ft on 06/05/1997
(20) 18.50 ft on 12/01/1995
(21) 17.50 ft on 04/27/1996
(22) 17.43 ft on 06/02/2011
(23) 16.80 ft on 02/02/1997
(24) 15.00 ft on 12/30/1998
(25) 12.32 ft on 11/26/1999

[FLYJACK 654]

georger

Tip ... when you post a url here click url tab below the posting box, paste the url, then finish by clicking url tab again. This bounds the url line by url tabs both ends, so when you post your message the url line becomes an active link. Thats how I do it. It works.

example:
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/...h/cop-public-rpt.htm

This slough would be rich with diatoms. Tom found no diatoms in the bills he examined ... !

hope this post works!

thanks, Ill try that for any links,

Yes, the slough would be rich with Diatoms, but I thought the analysis on the money was inconclusive,, some found then not found/detected??

Further the Dump is close to the outlet into the Williamette, what would the water be like in a flood???

The cash may have been "repackaged" when stashed... plastic bag

[Robert99 37]

FLYJACK

what data are you looking for,,

Historical Crests for Columbia River at Vancouver

(1) 31.00 ft on 06/13/1948
(2) 30.80 ft on 06/01/1948
(3) 27.70 ft on 12/25/1964
(4) 27.60 ft on 06/04/1956
(5) 27.20 ft on 02/09/1996
(6) 26.30 ft on 06/19/1933
(7) 26.20 ft on 05/31/1928
(8) 26.00 ft on 06/12/1921
(9) 25.90 ft on 06/26/1950
(10) 25.60 ft on 06/16/1903
(11) 25.44 ft on 01/19/1965
(12) 25.30 ft on 06/22/1917
(13) 25.30 ft on 06/03/1916
(14) 25.20 ft on 06/13/1913
(15) 22.55 ft on 01/03/1997
(16) 21.50 ft on 06/12/1972
(17) 21.10 ft on 06/22/1974
(18) 19.54 ft on 01/24/1970
(19) 19.03 ft on 06/05/1997
(20) 18.50 ft on 12/01/1995
(21) 17.50 ft on 04/27/1996
(22) 17.43 ft on 06/02/2011
(23) 16.80 ft on 02/02/1997
(24) 15.00 ft on 12/30/1998
(25) 12.32 ft on 11/26/1999

Flyjack, The Army Corps of Engineers make daily readings of the Columbia River heights, etc., at a point a few hundred feet east of I5 and just off shore of Vancouver, WA.

Information collected at that sensor is available online from November 1, 1974 to the present.

The same information for the period of November 24, 1971 (date of the hijacking) to November 1, 1974 was collected but can't be located. This suggests that it is not online.

That information is needed to determine what, if anything, the Columbia River level had on moving the money.

So if anyone knows where that information is located, please speak up and fast.

Robert99

[FLYJACK 654]

Robert99

***

what data are you looking for,,

Historical Crests for Columbia River at Vancouver

(1) 31.00 ft on 06/13/1948
(2) 30.80 ft on 06/01/1948
(3) 27.70 ft on 12/25/1964
(4) 27.60 ft on 06/04/1956
(5) 27.20 ft on 02/09/1996
(6) 26.30 ft on 06/19/1933
(7) 26.20 ft on 05/31/1928
(8) 26.00 ft on 06/12/1921
(9) 25.90 ft on 06/26/1950
(10) 25.60 ft on 06/16/1903
(11) 25.44 ft on 01/19/1965
(12) 25.30 ft on 06/22/1917
(13) 25.30 ft on 06/03/1916
(14) 25.20 ft on 06/13/1913
(15) 22.55 ft on 01/03/1997
(16) 21.50 ft on 06/12/1972
(17) 21.10 ft on 06/22/1974
(18) 19.54 ft on 01/24/1970
(19) 19.03 ft on 06/05/1997
(20) 18.50 ft on 12/01/1995
(21) 17.50 ft on 04/27/1996
(22) 17.43 ft on 06/02/2011
(23) 16.80 ft on 02/02/1997
(24) 15.00 ft on 12/30/1998
(25) 12.32 ft on 11/26/1999

Flyjack, The Army Corps of Engineers make daily readings of the Columbia River heights, etc., at a point a few hundred feet east of I5 and just off shore of Vancouver, WA.

Information collected at that sensor is available online from November 1, 1974 to the present.

The same information for the period of November 24, 1971 (date of the hijacking) to November 1, 1974 was collected but can't be located. This suggests that it is not online.

That information is needed to determine what, if anything, the Columbia River level had on moving the money.

So if anyone knows where that information is located, please speak up and fast.

Robert99

What is the name of that station/location

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What story is a take off??? are you just trying to discredit me.. by associating me with someone else that may or may not exist,,, I am not playing games... I may be newer to this but that can be a positive or a negative..

What I said was NOT meant to discredit you - just an observation regarding things that have happened outside of the thread in the last 11 months - things not discussed on the thread.

I had communication - sometimes uncomfortable communications with Bulljax and then after I piss him off Flyjack (you) appeared on the thread.

Your conversations on the thread resembled the "fishing expedition" he was on. He would take things that meant nothing by asking me questions and then BUILD a story. The more it advanced the stranger it got. When I felt threatened by his contacts - I reported him to the FBI in Seattle.

He knew nothing about the skyjacking when our conversations started, but he evolved. Like yourself he didn't know WA well. At any rate I was NOT demeaning you - just stateing the similarity in explorations and your screen name.

I only recently mention this man to the thread and then YOU show up with the same demeanor. The man claimed he did NOT read the thread but had a partner who did relayed things to him about the thread.

What I said was to protect myself and let everyone know what had been going on outside of the thread. I will go find the 1st post I made referencing the man - and then YOU show up! This would be his mode of Operation. He also changed emails on me 3 times...

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[Robert99 37]

FLYJACK

******

what data are you looking for,,

Historical Crests for Columbia River at Vancouver

(1) 31.00 ft on 06/13/1948
(2) 30.80 ft on 06/01/1948
(3) 27.70 ft on 12/25/1964
(4) 27.60 ft on 06/04/1956
(5) 27.20 ft on 02/09/1996
(6) 26.30 ft on 06/19/1933
(7) 26.20 ft on 05/31/1928
(8) 26.00 ft on 06/12/1921
(9) 25.90 ft on 06/26/1950
(10) 25.60 ft on 06/16/1903
(11) 25.44 ft on 01/19/1965
(12) 25.30 ft on 06/22/1917
(13) 25.30 ft on 06/03/1916
(14) 25.20 ft on 06/13/1913
(15) 22.55 ft on 01/03/1997
(16) 21.50 ft on 06/12/1972
(17) 21.10 ft on 06/22/1974
(18) 19.54 ft on 01/24/1970
(19) 19.03 ft on 06/05/1997
(20) 18.50 ft on 12/01/1995
(21) 17.50 ft on 04/27/1996
(22) 17.43 ft on 06/02/2011
(23) 16.80 ft on 02/02/1997
(24) 15.00 ft on 12/30/1998
(25) 12.32 ft on 11/26/1999

Flyjack, The Army Corps of Engineers make daily readings of the Columbia River heights, etc., at a point a few hundred feet east of I5 and just off shore of Vancouver, WA.

Information collected at that sensor is available online from November 1, 1974 to the present.

The same information for the period of November 24, 1971 (date of the hijacking) to November 1, 1974 was collected but can't be located. This suggests that it is not online.

That information is needed to determine what, if anything, the Columbia River level had on moving the money.

So if anyone knows where that information is located, please speak up and fast.

Robert99

What is the name of that station/location

It is listed as "VANW: Columbia River at Vancouver" where VANW is probably the symbol for the gage.

Here is a web page that may have linking information to the Vancouver information. http://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil

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Robert99

And Flyjack, if you are a resident of the Portland/Vancouver area, do you know when the marina was built that is now between Caterpillar Island and the "mainland"?

Robert99

Go back and read his previous posts - and you should have your answer. He is not familiar with Wa. at all....

Do NOT dismiss the fact the other guy was threatening. To the point I contacted the FBI.

Why ask him if he knows the area - it is obviouse from get go he does not.

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Robert99

Flyjack, can you give the precise location of the Columbia Slough that you are talking about?

to December 31, 1972?

Things are moving and time is of the essence!

Robert99

Robert how can he give you a precise location when just a few days ago he thought Beacon Rock & The Bridge of the Gods - was involved?

He ADMITTED he was unfamiliar with the area - and you want to know the PRECISE location he is talking about.
All he knows at this time is what he is researching - so give him a break.

I still think he is on a fishing expeditions - someone who wants to write another wannabe book. That is just OLD lady instincts.

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[FLYJACK 654]

RobertMBlevins

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As for FLYJAX that is a take off from a am who has told a similar story to me for 9 months by the handle of BULLJAX.

What story is a take off??? are you just trying to discredit me.. by associating me with someone else that may or may not exist,,, I am not playing games... I may be newer to this but that can be a positive or a negative..

There are lots of ways the cash could have been dislodged in the Columbia Slough..

There is even a garbage landfill in the Slough that was operational late 70's..

http://www.oregonmetro.gov/index.cfm/go/by.web/id=25126

I am creating a logic tree and one branch is that the money came from the landfill in the slough, was not intentionally thrown out, may have been hidden in a house that was torn down and all debris dumped,, Any homes torn down in the late 1970's.. after the owner died...

Your theory is as good as any other to explain how that money ended up at Tina Bar. There are a couple of things to remember, though.

First, the AMOUNT found. Now if you are going to have this money travel for miles, then this makes it tougher to explain how more than one bundle ended up being found in the same exact spot. This almost has to assume the money was in a container, but no container or evidence of a bag was ever found, even after an extensive dig by the FBI and volunteers.

Second, there is Tom Kaye and his Citizen Sleuths assessment of the cash. They were allowed to examine the bills. Kaye thinks the bills were not moved by water. He states a few points why HERE.

I've suggested that someone here question Kaye more closely and try to pin him down further on the question of the bills being affected by possible travel by water.

If one were to stash cash in a house attic, floor or wall or dwelling, it seems reasonable to speculate that it may be in a plastic bag or other material, to keep it clean and dry... I would do that,, though there was no plastic bag found.. it would keep the bills intact during the 3-4 mile float..

That dump had a lot of activity and expansion over the years.

The deposit on TBAR would be virtually intact if in a plastic bag..

Then the rest of that money may be in that dump, but nobody would throw it in the dump intentionally..

I wonder if is possible to match addresses of male deaths with house demolitions or new construction dates.

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FLYJACK

I found another location in the Slough that looks like a back yard of an old house that had a slide into the Slough, if the cash were buried in the yard, the slide may have put it in the water.

OK - you finally got my attention.
Can you pin point on a map showing both sides of the Columbia the location of this slide. For YRS I have told about a location Weber took me to in 1979. A location on the WA side of the river just West of the PDX.

When I was there in 1979 - there was NO house, but Duane told me there used to be a house. - obviously he had stayed there. This was the location where he went down a steep hill to the river and told me to stay in the car. It was STEEP to the river at that point.

He was down on the river for sometime and was getting out of the car after seeing his head come up the hill and ASKED if it was alright if I got out.

He popped the trunk and he had our snow shovel in his hands - but, did not see the other hand due to the trunk being opened.

I am out of the car stretching and he tells me where we are. He tells me that just to our left is the PDX, but that I can't see it because of the slight curve and the trees.

He then points to the North and NOTES the tracks to me - it was at this time he tells me about how slow the trains went thru there....due to an exchange or switch or something in Vancover (we were in Vancouver, Wa).

He points beyond the berm and past the rails and tell me there used to be some very some nice home in there. Said he he used to know someone who lived there...I never found out who lived there because the property records would not assist me without an address.

An Ariel map of the area from 1979 might help me narrow it down but NOT an address (the house that wasn't there on the river).. I was able to get NO help on this.

I have told this story before in the thread - just encase anyone thinks it is just for the benefit of the new guy.

When FLYJACK starts talking about old houses - one that was there in prior to and not there in 1979 - THAT gets my attention! BIG TIME!

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Jo, just shut up and mind your own business! You and Blevins are the biggest drawbacks to resolving the Cooper hijacking that have come down the pike.

Robert99

[skyjack71 0]

Robert99

Information collected at that sensor is available online from November 1, 1974 to the present.

The same information for the period of November 24, 1971 (date of the hijacking) to November 1, 1974 was collected but can't be located. This suggests that it is not online.

That information is needed to determine what, if anything, the Columbia River level had on moving the money.

So if anyone knows where that information is located, please speak up and fast.

Robert99

DUH! I had ALL of that but I have NO idea were to find it.

Things where filed by my memory which now doesn't know what day it is till I look at the newspaper.

I was given to me by I think the Corp of Engineers - I actually spoke to someone on the phone. I don't know what yr it was. It was pre 2004 and I believe pre 2001 because it was by telephone conversation. I made NOTE but I had no one to share them with.

The FAZIO's used to have ALL of the readings - Try the archived newpapers. There is also a man who used to work the river but I don't know how to contact him anymore. A lot of the people I talked to over the yrs - have died or moved on.

Go back to the posting of SAFECRACK - maybe they are there.

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[Robert99 37]

skyjack71

***

Information collected at that sensor is available online from November 1, 1974 to the present.

The same information for the period of November 24, 1971 (date of the hijacking) to November 1, 1974 was collected but can't be located. This suggests that it is not online.

That information is needed to determine what, if anything, the Columbia River level had on moving the money.

So if anyone knows where that information is located, please speak up and fast.

Robert99

DUH! I had ALL of that but I have NO idea were to find it.

Things where filed by my memory which now doesn't know what day it is till I look at the newspaper.

I was given to me by I think the Corp of Engineers - I actually spoke to someone on the phone. I don't know what yr it was. It was pre 2004 and I believe pre 2001 because it was by telephone conversation. I made NOTE but I had no one to share them with.

The FAZIO's used to have ALL of the readings - Try the archived newpapers. There is also a man who used to work the river but I don't know how to contact him anymore. A lot of the people I talked to over the yrs - have died or moved on.

Go back to the posting of SAFECRACK - maybe they are there.

Jo, you and a self-described "leading Cooper researcher" who posts on this thread are masters at trying to misdirect people.

I am NOT going to spend a single second checking into the nonsense you have just posted. So don't even reply directly or indirectly to any post that I made here. In return, I won't bother to read yours.

Robert99

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Robert99

Jo, just shut up and mind your own business! You and Blevins are the biggest drawbacks to resolving the Cooper hijacking that have come down the pike.

Robert99

Excuse ME ROBERT - I am minding my business....you would not have the thread to work with if I had not come here for help.

I have NOT been rude nor have I been a DRAWBACK. I am the HUMAN SIDE of this - A person WHOSE life was changed because of this - and YOU COULD only wish you had access to things I accumulated over the yrs that I had NO idea what to do with.

THAT POST WAS THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT SENT TEARS STREAMING DOWN MY EYES BECAUSE OF A DEMEANING REMARK I DID NOT DESERVE!

Also to be put in the category with Blevins is insulting. I am a HUMAN BEING, but I am NOT WITHOUT FEELINGS. This is my business - I started the damn thing!

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Robert99

Jo, you and a self-described "leading Cooper researcher" who posts on this thread are masters at trying to misdirect people.

I am NOT going to spend a single second checking into the nonsense you have just posted. So don't even reply directly or indirectly to any post that I made here. In return, I won't bother to read yours.

Robert99

EXCUSE me I did NOTHING but try to help and YOU HAVE NO reason TO BE SO RUDE! I am not a self-describe researcher - I CAME TO THE DZ for help, but have not understood all of the technical things.

Those READING were available thur someone I was directed to many yrs ago...before I EVER CAME to the thread.

When I want to reply to your postings I will do so. I offered you what I remembered - but I had the readings you were looking for - I didn't understand any of it. You will listen to anyone who provides false information, but when I provide what I have and a lot I didn't understand - you are OBNOXIOUSLY RUDE AND CRUDE!

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[Robert99 37]

skyjack71

I have NOT been rude . . .

Jo, over the years you have called me the following and these are just the ones I can remember off hand:

1. A troll living under a bridge.

2. An ass.

3. A moron.

4. A phony.

5. A plant from the FBI to make sure the Cooper hijacking is never solved.

Do you call the above rude?

In any event, you are just blowing smoke. True or not, you don't know me well enough to claim that they are correct.

Robert99

[skyjack71 0]

Robert99 stated

I have NOT been rude . . .

Quote

1. A troll living under a bridge.
2. An ass.
3. A moron.
4. A phony.
5. A plant from the FBI to make sure the Cooper hijacking is never solved.

Do you call the above rude?

In any event, you are just blowing smoke. True or not, you don't know me well enough to claim that they are correct.

Jo States:

A troll sound like something Georger says, an ass - it you were being obnoxious (yea, I probably said that). A moron - why would I call you a moron - you seem to always have technical answer. Perhaps the remark was made because you made an illogical post....not using common sense.

A phony and plant - I will owe up to those - because I would NOT put anything past those from the past involved that do NOT want the truth be known.

I never informed another poster to ignore you. That is a decision they have to make on their own. You also put me in the classification of Blevins.
What I have to say is about a man I lived with for over 17 yrs. What I tell is a first hand account.

There have been numerous postings you responded to by demeaning me & twisting my inquiry. I just let it go because I felt your knowledge was too VALUABLE to ignore. I had already learned if I disagreed with you not to state my objection!

YOU would come back with a post twisting what I had said trying to make me sound like a moron. You simply did NOT grasp woman talk...or my simple knowledge..

You DEMEANED me so many times I stopped asking questions or volunteering something I had knowledge of - LIKE the WATER LEVELS! And what did you do?

This time you not only demean me, you in turn instructed another poster to ignore me. I am the ONLY HUMAN factor here - but I do not use that factor to be nasty to anyone. If 377 had volunteered that information - YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER IT!

In the past when I volunteered infomation you made me sound like a moron. When I asked a simple question because I did not understand what you meant, you would also go into an elaborate posts (like I am doing now) twisting everything I said. I ignored it in the past - his time spoke UP!

I had had enough of you demeaning remarks and negative remarks - so I SPOKE UP! Telling another poster to ignore me - well, that was all it took!

Just because you have degrees does not give you the privilege to demean someone who has dedicated her life to finding the truth.

I am the only human element involved in this - and my life with Weber actually happened and until the FBI can PROVE to me where WEBER was - then I have a right to tell the story and to explore his life and the facts regarding Cooper and/or Weber.

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[FLYJACK 654]

a recent news clip about the dump..

http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/St-Johns-landfill-to-become-public-park-213246631.html

[Robert99 37]

skyjack71

Telling another poster to ignore me - well, that was all it took!

Jo, I think you have your posters confused. The remark that you are apparently objecting to was addressed to you and not another poster.

Robert99

[georger 197]

FLYJACK

***

Tip ... when you post a url here click url tab below the posting box, paste the url, then finish by clicking url tab again. This bounds the url line by url tabs both ends, so when you post your message the url line becomes an active link. Thats how I do it. It works.

example:
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/...h/cop-public-rpt.htm

This slough would be rich with diatoms. Tom found no diatoms in the bills he examined ... !

hope this post works!

thanks, Ill try that for any links,

Yes, the slough would be rich with Diatoms, but I thought the analysis on the money was inconclusive,, some found then not found/detected??

Further the Dump is close to the outlet into the Williamette, what would the water be like in a flood???

The cash may have been "repackaged" when stashed... plastic bag

no obvious diatoms were found, according to Kaye.
thats all I know.

[georger 197]

Robert99

Jo, just shut up and mind your own business! You and Blevins are the biggest drawbacks to resolving the Cooper hijacking that have come down the pike.

Robert99

+10 million

[FLYJACK 654]

Robert99

*********

what data are you looking for,,

Historical Crests for Columbia River at Vancouver

(1) 31.00 ft on 06/13/1948
(2) 30.80 ft on 06/01/1948
(3) 27.70 ft on 12/25/1964
(4) 27.60 ft on 06/04/1956
(5) 27.20 ft on 02/09/1996
(6) 26.30 ft on 06/19/1933
(7) 26.20 ft on 05/31/1928
(8) 26.00 ft on 06/12/1921
(9) 25.90 ft on 06/26/1950
(10) 25.60 ft on 06/16/1903
(11) 25.44 ft on 01/19/1965
(12) 25.30 ft on 06/22/1917
(13) 25.30 ft on 06/03/1916
(14) 25.20 ft on 06/13/1913
(15) 22.55 ft on 01/03/1997
(16) 21.50 ft on 06/12/1972
(17) 21.10 ft on 06/22/1974
(18) 19.54 ft on 01/24/1970
(19) 19.03 ft on 06/05/1997
(20) 18.50 ft on 12/01/1995
(21) 17.50 ft on 04/27/1996
(22) 17.43 ft on 06/02/2011
(23) 16.80 ft on 02/02/1997
(24) 15.00 ft on 12/30/1998
(25) 12.32 ft on 11/26/1999

Flyjack, The Army Corps of Engineers make daily readings of the Columbia River heights, etc., at a point a few hundred feet east of I5 and just off shore of Vancouver, WA.

Information collected at that sensor is available online from November 1, 1974 to the present.

The same information for the period of November 24, 1971 (date of the hijacking) to November 1, 1974 was collected but can't be located. This suggests that it is not online.

That information is needed to determine what, if anything, the Columbia River level had on moving the money.

So if anyone knows where that information is located, please speak up and fast.

Robert99

What is the name of that station/location

It is listed as "VANW: Columbia River at Vancouver" where VANW is probably the symbol for the gage.

Here is a web page that may have linking information to the Vancouver information. http://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil



71 is missing only 72+ is there max (24 Hourly)
http://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil/perl/dataquery.pl?k=id:VANW+record://VANW/HG//1DAY/MAX/+psy:+psm:+psd:+pey:+pem:+ped:+pk:id.vanw

it is referred to as the old gauge max, mean , min 72+ (24 Hourly)
http://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil/perl/dataquery.pl?k=id:vanw

[FLYJACK 654]

georger

******

Tip ... when you post a url here click url tab below the posting box, paste the url, then finish by clicking url tab again. This bounds the url line by url tabs both ends, so when you post your message the url line becomes an active link. Thats how I do it. It works.

example:
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/...h/cop-public-rpt.htm

This slough would be rich with diatoms. Tom found no diatoms in the bills he examined ... !

hope this post works!

thanks, Ill try that for any links,

Yes, the slough would be rich with Diatoms, but I thought the analysis on the money was inconclusive,, some found then not found/detected??

Further the Dump is close to the outlet into the Williamette, what would the water be like in a flood???

The cash may have been "repackaged" when stashed... plastic bag

no obvious diatoms were found, according to Kaye.
thats all I know.

This is from Kaye's website.

"The modern bills soaked in the Columbia River were examined using a scanning electron microscope (SEM.) At least three different species of fresh water diatoms were found immediately. Subsequent examination of the Cooper bills found no diatoms. Not seeing any diatoms on the Cooper bills does not guarantee that they are not there, so any final conclusions on this would be speculative."

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Robert99

Jo, just shut up and mind your own business! You and Blevins are the biggest drawbacks to resolving the Cooper hijacking that have come down the pike.

Robert99

Robert99 - YOU mean to tell me you do NOT remember making this post.

How CAN YOU even put me in the category of Blevins. I was married to the man for 17 yrs & lived with him before that. I have spent the last 18 yrs trying to unravel his life.

I did NOT write a book or make a movie. I have researched since 1996 & I still look for answers.

I want & I need answers before I die. I have NOT lied or falsified Duane's past - I have only told what I could & not one person ever sat down with me & followed it thru from beginning to end.

NONE of you lived the life I lived with Duane Weber & if you take it from the beginning there is NO OTHER logical explanation for his confession.

Some of you claim others have confessed, but did the others ever have a past so convoluted & questionable - even the FBI could not track it. So who was Weber and were was he during the questionable yrs? 1946 to 1949 and then 1962 to 1966. Who was Johnnie?

NO proof of where or what Weber was doing from 1945 to 1949.

There are segments but NOTHING that proves anything - a work farm he escapes from - but NO actual DOCUMENTs were he is encarcerated from mid 1945 to 1949 - he was in and out and all over the country. That part of his record was too sketchy with NO actual documents - and the family had things that put him in WA during that time & I also put him in The Dalles during part of that time...and not as a prisoner.

Then in 1962 to 1966 - again NO documentations on the where abouts of Weber - hell NO! He was John Collins then and also called Johnnie. He was with a woman who abaondoned her children during those 4 yrs to stay on the road with her Johnnie. The wife who left her 4 children with their father to run the states with Johnnie (admitted they knew Paperlegs and she knew his wife Jane. This is the time frame he met Ed Hurand - another man who didn't seem to exist.

Also Tommy Gunn - a man the FBI could have interviewed who threatened me and they CHOSE not to interview him - WHY!

Hell the FBI didn't need to find Tommy Gunn - I had his address and phone number - the man who threatened me - if the FBI actually interviewed this man who knew Duane as Johnnie - why was I not told.

Tommy & Tony are deceased - so if they had INTERVIEWS with these men who left no family behinds - WHY not tell me about it. IF THE FBI ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED ANYONE ABOUT WEBER THEY COULD HAVE MADE MY LIFE MUCH BETTER! ED Huran - they are ALL dead so why don't they tell me what resulted from the interviews.

WELL, TRUTH is they DID NOT interview any of these people - NOT ONE. Just the man in ATL who only met Duane in 1973 and another man who Duane worked for in 1973. They didn't bother to contact the CHICAGO man - the one Duane delivered a package to. The Richardsons were still alive but they did NOT interview them. They kept the Jefferson pics from me & the JOHN Collins record and SS - I could not prove I was the wife of - without the Jefferson record.

NOW the Jefferson record is available to me - but guess what - all of the safe deposit boxes unclaimed in 1998 to 2008 are NO longer available. The FBI REFUSED to provide me with the only evidence I needed to unlock the past - his John Collins existence.

I told them Duane went to a bank in Omaha in 1980 - but I didn't have anything to prove I was married to a man with the AKA of John Collins. Now the banks have changed names, some closed and I can no longer afford to hire someone to provide me with the documentations...proving I am the widow of John Colllins and Duane Weber. The boxes are gone now!

Carr knew WHY I needed the information but he didn't give a damn nor did the FBI. If they could have proven he had a safe deposit box that he opened in 1980 under the name John Collins - and then accessed in 1990 under John Collins...this would be over.

THE FBI looked straight at that drivers license and saw it was an ACTUAL license and the RECIEPT FOR IT WAS A REPLACEMENT FOR A LOST LICENSE - IT WAS ALL REAL - but the FBI ignored it. I expect he left something in that box and paid it forward for as long as the law allowed - but that was 13 yrs ago!

Robert NEVER put me in the classification of Blevins - NOT ever!

I am one person & I have had to take a stand against the government, this thread & the FBI. IF they can PROVE Weber was NOT Cooper then THEY need to show proof of this just as they would have to prove him quilty in a court of law for a crime.

The FBI only gave Weber a cursory look and dismissed him in 1998 based on fingerprints. Finger prints they never proved.

I am a human being and I am real and I am honest and I have NOT made this up - I definitely could not have and would never have devoted my life to a lie.

Frankly I think it is SICK Carr is back in WA and still with the FBI. He could have solved this, but I suppose the order of the USA Government carried more weight.

The government did NOT provide me with ONE bit of proof that Weber was NOT Cooper. They ignored an arrest record for Weber pre 1950 in Spokane - told me he had NOT been arrested in WA, but the record was there - so BULL! I didn't find that until this yr 2013 - so the back files are gone - but I put WEBER in WA when the FBI said he was NOT there!

IThe FBI has never checked on the FAMILY connections to WA from California. Duane's mother's best friend had a baby at the same time Duane was born. They go to CA after the war and when in 1944 when Duane gets in trouble in CA. These people help out with Duane. One of them helped with the CCC's in WA....they used the prisoners at camps because the prison population was so high...still waiting for the BOYS to come home. That is how Duane ended up knowing the area. There was a sheriff in a town above Seattle - check it out! I did the JOB for the fricking FBI and they still won't fess up.

I have explained how and why he ended up in WA and his connection to Puyallup and the telephone company - it was a FAMILY friend Connection. Families and war buddies took care of their own during the war after the war.

People Stuck together. I do NOT have the money nor the time left to go to WA. I should have sold everything I had and have gone to WA to live and have finished the FBI's job. I thought they would finally wake up! Now it is too late! Too late for me.

CARR is back in WA and if that SOB ever makes on red cent off of Cooper/Weber he will be damned for the rest of his life! He thinks he is going to write his life Memoir in the FBI - and how he solve the case AFTER Cooper widow died! He better be willing to give every dime with NO draw for his services or expense to establish the programs and to enhance other programs for first time offendors.

Today they have programs but they do NOT use them correctly. By the time young men get the help they need - they already have a record and are over 21. The family can't afford the legal fees to get things taken off their records. The program I want will do this. but the program will be ridged. - They have to go to college and they have to graduate. This would be a program that changes their whole lif. Stipulations - IF they ever commit another crime - they will have to reimburse the program and they will serve double the time for the maxium required for the new offense - in other words the book get thrown at them - they sign on to the program for LIFE & they continue to pay if forward for that freedom and that ability to be a productive adult.

Duane Weber would be 88 yr old now and I doubt there are any witnesses - it will take hard evidence to prove and it does exist and Weber fits the profile, something other individual do not.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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This slough would be rich with diatoms. Tom found no diatoms in the bills he examined ... !

hope this post works!

thanks, Ill try that for any links,

Yes, the slough would be rich with Diatoms, but I thought the analysis on the money was inconclusive,, some found then not found/detected??

Further the Dump is close to the outlet into the Williamette, what would the water be like in a flood???

The cash may have been "repackaged" when stashed... plastic bag

no obvious diatoms were found, according to Kaye.
thats all I know.

This is from Kaye's website.

"The modern bills soaked in the Columbia River were examined using a scanning electron microscope (SEM.) At least three different species of fresh water diatoms were found immediately. Subsequent examination of the Cooper bills found no diatoms. Not seeing any diatoms on the Cooper bills does not guarantee that they are not there, so any final conclusions on this would be speculative."

Correct.

Others tests were pending but never happened ...