MeyerLouie 5 #38976 March 29, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteGreetings All, I've had two converstaions this week with a copycat, Robb Dolin Heady. The interview is posted at the Mountain News: http://themountainnewswa.net/2013/03/28/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-an-interview-with-a-so-called-cooper-copycat-skyjacker-robb-dolin-heady/ Thanks to Snowmman for helping set it up. I'm trying to talk wiith Martin McNally as well. He got out of prison in 2010. _________________________________________________ Bruce: I enjoyed your articlel. It provides a little more insight for sure. I wished, though, you had not revealed your intentions about being a Vietnam draft dodger. I have very strong feelings about that issue, and this is certainly not the appropriate place to discuss it. Suffice it to say, I have friends in wheel chairs today who wouldn't give it a second thought about going into harms way again for their country. Meyer Meyer: Bruce's draft status discussion was in his own article, not at Dropzone. Good article, by the way. Being forced into a possibly immoral war by a government acting immorally...will sometimes force a MORAL response from people. There is no doubt that Vietnam tore the US apart. Riots, marches, daily doses from Cronkite on the evening news, and between 50,000-100,000 people fleeing from the war up to Canada. There is also the issue of exemptions, which few of poverty or color could obtain - another morality question that often arises about the Vietnam War. There is also a distinctive difference between draft-dodging and desertion. Canada has a history of sending deserters back to the USA. Deserters are not worthy of sympathy because they already took the oath. There will always be two views on the morality of the draft and our participation in Vietnam. I think we should leave it that. __________________________________________________ Blevins: Shut your pie-hole! I purposely avoided getting into this discussion (as strongly as I feel about it), because it is not appropriate or relevant to this forum. So, what do you do? You get on your high horse and go for it. I don't give a rats ass about your opinion of the Vietnam War. That discussion is not appropriate here. But being appropriate has never been a high priority for you, has it? You're out of line. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeyerLouie 5 #38977 March 29, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteGreetings All, I've had two converstaions this week with a copycat, Robb Dolin Heady. The interview is posted at the Mountain News: _________________________________________________ Bruce: I enjoyed your articlel. It provides a little more insight for sure. I wished, though, you had not revealed your intentions about being a Vietnam draft dodger. I have very strong feelings about that issue, and this is certainly not the appropriate place to discuss it. Suffice it to say, I have friends in wheel chairs today who wouldn't give it a second thought about going into harms way again for their country. Meyer You are incorrect, Meyer. I am not a dodger of anything. I certainly don't dodge killing. I simply pick and chose who I want to kill, why, and when. I never ask anyone to do my killing for me. I didn't ask the millions of guys who went to Vietnam to kill any commies for me. Never. In fact, I asked them not to go. They chose not to listen to me. I loved them and let them go. When they returned I healed those that I could at the Northport VA for two years. I never asked for a thing from them, other than a pay check from their government every two weeks. As for the guys who are in wheel chairs, would you feel more comfortable if I joned them? Why? If you would like to know who I have killed and why, I'm happy to tell you, but it's gonna cost you a couple of beers. It's the price of truth these days. __________________________________________________ So melodramatic Bruce, and highly inappropriate to be discussing it here. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38978 March 29, 2013 The only report I had was 2 paragraphs long. Since I did not contest it - no one took it any further! Mr. ABLED BODY: WHY don't you do the work to acquire all of these papers you! The FBI should have done so in 2000. I was actually afraid this was an attempt on my life - because of the timing and how the accident happened and it had only been a few wks before I personally showed up in the AREA the old friend of Duane's lived in. Looking at me face to face - he again told me to move forward and stop looking back - that it would lead to problems. His eyes were COLD and his face like a void. He did NOT smile at all! He would NOT tell me anything at all about the circumstances underwhich he knew JOHN COLLINS. He didn't know Duane Weber...or who JOHN was until 1980 when HE saw him in the MALL. I never saw a detailed accident report and my statement was from a hospital room. My history with Duane started in 1977 - I have MORE papers than most others would have, but the past of WEBER/Collins is convoluted - EVEN I have MORE than the FBI. If the FBI had more they DID NOT PRESENT IT TO ME OR TO THE PUBLIC! I am not an investigator, I wanted to know who my husband was and what he was involved in and why he told me what he did. I have MORE information than the FBI and most of WHAT the FBI has came from me. THE FBI never presented me with anything they had - other than CARR using the things I sent them. I questioned the accident, but was told it was my fault - I had no memory other than my injuries and my fear it could be connected to Cooper. I was trying to leave things to the FBI. IN FACT I did communicate to them the fact I thought the accident was related to the MAN from Duane's past. NEVER got past a mouth piece or a recording! I had already told you this 2000 accident was a useless thing to persue. Why did YOU persist? Because you just wanted to make me Look bad to others. U persued - I did NOT! YOU needed to make a point that JO was NOT a good INVESTIGATOR. THAT my DEAR is the FBI's JOB or so I thought! U would never survive 17 yrs of what I have live thru! U have been at this maybe 2 yrs now - and U are ALL READY biting the rabbit ears off. U did or claimed to be doing some kind of assimilation flight. WHY or WHAT drives U Mr. Shutter Man? What gives U the creditials to critizice me? What gives U the right to say U should have done this or that? Why do U even give a SHIT what I can prove or disprove? What is your MOTIVE in addressing anything I state? I don't see 377, or Robert99, or Georger, or many of the others who have a GREAT interest and LOTS of knowledge of the case - SLAMMING me the way you do. Perhaps I do NOT use the terminology SLAMMING correctly, but I do not know what U young people call it. Some question me but they do not usually RAG on.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38979 March 29, 2013 Jo, you are the one trying to link it to this case, I am simply calling you out. you don't like me because I'm hard on you. your "evidence" falls apart when looked at. you claimed that you had single seat belts, I found different. you claim this was an attempt against your life and wish to forget it, but bring it up here? then say you don't have the report anymore? anyone who puts up evidence on here is subject to validation, if you can't handle that, I suggest you find a place that will only listen to your story! we are just supposed to allow you to write what ever you wish without justification? I don't call you names or scream is colors while commenting. try it sometime "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38980 March 29, 2013 Quote Jo, you are the one trying to link it to this case, I am simply calling you out. you don't like me because I'm hard on you. your "evidence" falls apart when looked at. you claimed that you had single seat belts, I found different. I don't even remember the yr of the car. It was NOT new when I bought it and I do know I got the car around 1996 - 1997 and it WAS not new. I am sure it was at least 3 yrs old when I bought it. I do NOT remember a seat belt like I have on my 2003 Rendevous. WHO are U to give me orders to go else where to tell the story about Duane and to explore his background? U Mr. Shutter stated: we are just supposed to allow you to write what ever you wish without justification? Number one I am telling WHAT should have been told yrs ago and who is "we". Do YOU know who started this thread? Do YOU know who is responsible for a COOPER thread being on the DZ? Any other thread ever attempted on the DZ fizzled in a few month - due to chaos and those who had NO reason other than to cause discord amongst the posters. All of them were CLOSED! Is that your objective? To close the thread so NO once can present evidence or a suspect? I try NOT to do name calling. Unless you mean my old lady phrases when I make references to others. NOTE: I call my self crazy, delusional, off-my rocker, obcessive and complusive. ALL this discussion is doing is taking away from any REAL research or NEW evidence that could possibly be presented, so WHY do you even make SMART remarks to my posts? Sorry if U think color is screaming - I don't! It is my way of not getting lost in the shuffle. It is my way of making sure that certain things are read. BLUE - means - see me hear me. RED - means - DON'T miss this. If there is a rule about what color means in the thread let me know where to find it ...I have been here for almost 10 yrs. The moderator never mentioned it to me!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #38981 March 29, 2013 Just curious Jo ~ I drop in & out...what was the blockbuster thing you were about to reveal a couple weeks ago? I paged back through but think I missed it...? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38982 March 29, 2013 Jo, you are a grown woman, start acting like one! why would I want the thread closed down, because I was hard on Jo? why does everything turn into my direction while asking you a question? you tell the same things over and over, you have been told this over and over Jo! The bottom line is I don't believe Weber had anything to do with this case! That is my opinion in which I'm entitled too..I see you brought up Alcatraz again, what have you done with that? nothing I'll bet. Jo, many times you have written in red letters and all caps, do I need to explain more? you have attacked my Character. you have attacked my employment. you call me names. and yet you cry when I ask you questions or find evidence against it? I am finished with this conversation, but will approach you any given time with any questions I have. Thank You "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38983 March 29, 2013 My History with Duane started in 1977 - but the past of Weber and Collins and his travels is very convoluted. I actually have MORE than the FBI because if what they have is what Carr posted on this thread, they are in deep water! THAT information was thread and I had requested many time. What Carr posted was incomplete or they didn't find the "other" records. I am not an investigator, I wanted to know who my husband was and what he was involved in and why he told me what he did. I questioned the accident, but was told it was my fault - I had no memory other than my injuries and my fear it could be connected to Cooper. I was trying to leave things to the FBI. IN FACT I did communicate to them the fact I thought the accident was related to the MAN from Duane's past. NEVER got past a mouth piece or a recording! I had already told you this 2000 accident was a useless thing to persue. Why did YOU persist? The answer is? Because you just wanted to make me Look bad to others. U persued - I did NOT! YOU needed to make a point that JO was NOT a good INVESTIGATOR. THAT my DEAR is the FBI's JOB or so I thought! U would find the above statement offensive only if U were FBI involved with the investigation of Weber/Collins. With nothing more than a telephone - I think I did a damn good job finding out about Duane's past. Remember I didn't own a computer until 2000 and then I had to learn to use it. U would never survive 17 yrs of what I have live thru! U have been at this maybe 2 yrs now - and U have ALL READY chewed the rabbit ears off. U did or claimed to be doing some kind of assimilation flight. WHY or WHAT drives U Mr. Shutter Man? What gives U the creditials to critizice me? What gives U the right to say U should have done this or that? Note - U do not just suggest U demand! Why do U even give a SHIT what I can prove or disprove???????? What is your MOTIVE in addressing anything I state????? Why don't U just ignore my posts??????? I don't see 377, or Robert99, or Georger, or many of the others who have a GREAT interest and LOTS of knowledge of the case - SLAMMING me the way you do. Perhaps I do NOT use the terminology SLAMMING correctly, but I do not know what U young people call it. Some question me, but they do not usually RAG on about a mundane post. Frankly I do not see WHY U are so HELL BENT on the accident of 2000! That is a unique interest on your part. U must think or feel something ODD about the circumstances. WHY don't U ask the FBI why they didn't look into the unusual accident? I told them about it. Instead of slamming me why don't you do something useful if your simulated flight is not keeping you too busy. Why don't U find OUT who Tommy Gunn was or is and what happened to him.? What did he do from 1962 to 1968???? Why didn't the FBI make their interview with this man (if they even interviewed him) public? Or even address it as part of the investigation? NO explanation has ever been provided regarding the man above who threatened me! Why did this man KNOW Duane as JOHN? Why & how did this man know DUANE as JOHN COLLINS and from where? That is RED and BOLD because the statement needs to be addressed by the FBI. Don't SLAM me for things the FBI should have done - ASK the FBI why they didn't check out T.Gunn? Why they didn't check out another person who knew Duane as John Collins - that being Tony Wong? HOW did these men know each other and why was Duane's name the only one that was FAKE....or did ALL of the guy have a shared past that involve their just going POOF! Blue because it needs attention from the FBI and for anyone who is serious about ruling Weber out! WHY did Duane tell me that Gunn was a DANGEROUS MAN? To protect himself or to protect me? Find out who TOMMY GUNN was and U might solve the case. The answers lie within. I tried and got NO where. IT just took me back to another man who did NOT exist prior to 1962 ED HORAN....WHY did the FBI NOT have their artist and specialist compare the two pics. One of Anglin supposedly deceased in 1962 and one of Horan in 1983 who according to the person I took it to are ONE and the SAME! Too many STRANGE things to ignore and just pass on by. Will again attach the Anglin and the Horan photos - DO YOUR THING - U usually DO!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38984 March 29, 2013 WHY or WHAT drives U Mr. Shutter Man? What gives U the creditials to critizice me? What gives U the right to say U should have done this or that? Note - U do not just suggest U demand! Why do U even give a SHIT what I can prove or disprove???????? What is your MOTIVE in addressing anything I state????? Why don't U just ignore my posts??????? Grow up Jo......."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 20 #38985 March 29, 2013 Jo wrote Quote With nothing more than a telephone - I think I did a damn good job finding out about Duane's past. Finally something we can agree on Jo. You really did do an amazing job armed with just a phone and I know you have the bills to prove it. We still disagree as to whether any of what you found out connects Duane to Norjack. Are you still in touch with the Night Clerk who now resides in China? That little mystery never was fully resolved. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38986 March 29, 2013 Good points 377, perhaps I was a little harsh in Jo's investigation, what I am getting at is her interpretation of what she has found. The Jo's way or no way look at it, she does not take criticism at all and lashes out when approached. So I do take back that part about how much she has done. still gives no reason to call people names when asking a question."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38987 March 29, 2013 Shutter stated: QuoteJo, you are a grown woman, start acting like one! why would I want the thread closed down, because I was hard on Jo? why does everythingturn into my direction while asking you a question? you tell the same things over and over, you have been told this over and over Jo! JO states: U are supposed to be grown man so why are U not acting like one. Beginning to sound like the meltdown of a 5 yr old. AS for Alcatraz - I have done all I can do until THE FBI looks at it. I sent it to the FBI - but NO response - they never acknowedge the emails I send. I do not send them by snail mail because it gets expensive. Expect Agents of record never see all of the things as one person - it is all fragmented. I certainly have never attacked your Character - justifiably questioned you in the same manner as you do me. I questioned your employment because U were attempting to pass yourself off as some specialist in the aeronautical world. Solving this crime is NOT of interest to you - it is a way to EXPRESS yourself...and to make yourself a part of something! You came here knowing nothing a few months ago and then U GOT the attention U were looking for with the flight assimilation. I hope it was worth the money U invested into it. When U young folk get too cocky then your world comes tumbling down. Recently U seem to be having some problems and they are NOT about me.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38988 March 29, 2013 FYI, the FBI is no longer controlling the missing men from Alcatraz, The US Marshal's Office is. again you are attacking me personally, Jo, I have responded to several issue's with your accident that don't seem right. I included my findings on this thread. how does this make my world tumble down? over a few questions? believe it or not Jo this thread is for discussing and validating evidence. Solving this crime is NOT of interest to you - it is a way to EXPRESS yourself...and to make yourself a part of something! You came here knowing nothing a few months ago and then U GOT the attention U were looking for with the flight assimilation. I hope it was worth the money U invested into it. " Jo, my project was going on for months before I told anyone on this thread, you have given the perfect example why I didn't do it at the start! well Georger and Hominid new of the project, but wasn't presented on DZ until a couple months ago.. please stop with the Knoss reply of not wanting to solve the case...."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #38989 March 29, 2013 Quote Just curious Jo ~ I drop in & out...what was the blockbuster thing you were about to reveal a couple weeks ago? I paged back through but think I missed it...? Hello? Is this this on? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38990 March 29, 2013 Quote Just curious Jo ~ I drop in & out...what was the blockbuster thing you were about to reveal a couple weeks ago? I paged back through but think I missed it...? Didn't miss it - I did explain about going to the safe deposit box and then to get photos made and then home and then back to the box. My energy nor my car would allow me to make the trip...26 miles to box, then 18 to photo and then go back the way I came or go 29 miles back home. Then I have to make a trip 26 miles to and back to return the stuff to the box. Items I think MIGHT put WEBER on the plane! Now the other thing is co-ordinates of an area Duane took me to in 1979, but that won't put him on the plane. FBI said I had to put him on the plane...YET, they never showed all of the photos of Duane to the witnesses. I have been encouraged to GO public one last time - with the condition ALL photo are examined and used and I am allowed to voice certain thing. These things COULD not be cut out. Problem is I hate cameras and I freeze up and sound stupid - I guess I sound stupid because maybe I am. Starting to call myself STUPID OLD WOMAN every time I get upset. HARD to remember what I have to remember lately!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38991 March 29, 2013 Jo, your not stupid, extremely stubborn, yes......"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 20 #38992 March 30, 2013 Jo, I do not see you as a stupid old woman at all, but your post (above) doesnt clearly respond to what Airtwardo and I are asking. What items of evidence are you going to go public with? Are they just some additional photos of Duane? It would be hard to imagine that you have held back your best evidence this long. If you have photos that link Duane to Norjack or even just to parachuting post em here. Your tease modus operandi is sooooo counterproductive Jo, but I see no hope of changing it. Jo writesQuote I have been encouraged to GO public one last time - with the condition ALL photo are examined and used and I am allowed to voice certain thing. If you have probative evidence just disclose it and let it stand on its own two feet. If you have to augment it with a voice track one wonders why. Jo you promised to go public with blockbuster evidence. Either deliver or withdraw and apologize for the tease. You are your own worst enemy in the quest to establish that DW=DBC. Everyone tells you that but you just do not listen. I hope you have a good weekend. Get out of the house and forget about Cooper for a day or two. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38993 March 30, 2013 MRSSHUTTER POSTED: how does this make my world tumble down? over a few questions? believe it or not Jo this thread is for discussing and validating evidence. Jo States: Discussing and validating - so what did the accident have to do with diddle squat? YOU did not validate anything nor did you discuss it - you just emphatically stated something regarding the seatbelt and U did NOT know my car and I do NOT remember the yr of the car. U ignore what U wish to. JO STATED and MRSSHUTTER reposted making it appear he said it: "Solving this crime is NOT of interest to you - it is a way to EXPRESS yourself...and to make yourself a part of something! You came here knowing nothing a few months ago and then U GOT the attention U were looking for with the flight assimilation. I hope it was worth the money U invested into it. " THEN MRSSHUTTER POSTED: Jo, my project was going on for months before I told anyone on this thread, you have given the perfect example why I didn't do it at the start! well Georger and Hominid new of the project, but wasn't presented on DZ until a couple months ago.. Jo States: You did state you had ordered the program - but, that is just it you know computers - that doesn't mean you can tell me what I said was right or wrong! That does NOT mean you have absorbed and assimilated the fact involved with Weber or the crime itself. Stop being MR RIGHTEOUS or you will have to change you Avatar. You are one Cocky young squirt! Now is that what you mean by my calling you NAMES? Well young feller I have done that ALL of my life and I have done if for yrs on this thread. Seems like the others GET me and never considered it name calling. Perhaps you should learn some respect for older folks. ASK Georger what all I called him? HE HATED IT! So he changed his AVATAR. I loved the Sweet Baboon!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38994 March 30, 2013 once again you wish to attack me personally... you said it was an older Park Avenue........ they all have a 3 point safety belt in them..... Then you mention what year you thought it was. "The auto wreck - I really do NOT remember if I had the seat belt on or not. It was only one that went across the hips. I had an older Park AVenue - the ones with the really plush leather seats that was oh so comfy! The patrolman did tell me that the accident would probably not have been survivable had I not been in the Park Avenue. Right now I cannot remember the yr of the car -probably 1995. " I found this not to be true Jo, The Park Avenue from 89 on had the 3 point safety belt! my project started in June of 2012. the computer I had couldn't handle the software I was adding to the program and had to be changed. How do you say it, Read the thread! "Now is that what you mean by my calling you NAMES? " Not correct Jo, in the past you have called me other names I won't mention or worth finding. now you have accused me of drinking twice, more false statements Jo! when someone makes a claim of physical danger against them, I start checking into the story. That's how it is done. my approach might be different than others, but I can't help that. I look into things people say and run with it. you claim it was staged and yet the Insurance company was right there? I'm simply not buying it Jo, I'm entitled to my opinion.....end of story...."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38995 March 30, 2013 Had HOPED to put certain things on the table with the FBI, but that has NOT happened. I wanted their reply on this, but I have to get it to them and they know of the existence of these items, so I assume they ARE NOT intereste. NOT anything I want to introduce on the thread. Should I do so then there will be others posting pictures of their suspect with this or that item! I just do NOT want to go public without 1st confronting the FBI with this stuff...or at least being able to present the items to Tina. I do NOT expect she remembers anything - it was 3 hours out of her life and she was scared to death inside. The FBI drags if feet - a few months ago there was 3 of the Nickles left and today what is left has no memory. Same way with the old Smokejumpers - one old old guy has all the photos and I doubt if he will be around for very long - He has an entire album like I sent to Florence - the one I never got back (the return was in the package prepaid)and that was never acknowledge as received. JUST tired of fighting the sytem - it is NOT fair. Why should I be forced to go PUBLIC when I really do NOT want to do so? SOMEDAY after I am gone - someone will present the one piece that brings everything together. A grave yard, a chute, a missing person - more than ONE person was involved in this crime - maybe 3. One died and 2 survived....Just a senseless riddle, but how I think sometimes. There was a stupid riddle Duane used to repeat about a little Indian boy, but BK got hold of my brain with his stupid stuff and I lost the riddle in my head. It was an indian riddle used on a reservation near Missoula. Duane recited the riddle on our trip to WA in 1971 when he remembered the young man he got in trouble with in the Coure d'alene area. NO one know how hard I have tried to remember that damn riddle. The Riddle used by Paperlegs was similar, but this riddle but, was about an Indian boy he got in trouble with (funny sounding name - just had a fragment of a memory)....or used by the parents of the Indian Boy. The boy was younger than Duane - something I remembered just flashed. Duane was responsible for the trouble they got into....didn't say what the trouble was . He could never go BACK! If he could never go BACK as late as 1979 - what the hell was he talking about? The mind and the memory is a miraculous thing. One tiny bit of memory understress and duress triggers a deeper memory one thought was buried forever and ever. The boy was younger - so the boy was under 20 because Duane was 20 to 24 during his residency in WA, OR & ID.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MeyerLouie 5 #38996 March 30, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGreetings All, I've had two converstaions this week with a copycat, Robb Dolin Heady. The interview is posted at the Mountain News: _________________________________________________ Bruce: I enjoyed your articlel. It provides a little more insight for sure. I wished, though, you had not revealed your intentions about being a Vietnam draft dodger. I have very strong feelings about that issue, and this is certainly not the appropriate place to discuss it. Suffice it to say, I have friends in wheel chairs today who wouldn't give it a second thought about going into harms way again for their country. Meyer You are incorrect, Meyer. I am not a dodger of anything. I certainly don't dodge killing. I simply pick and chose who I want to kill, why, and when. I never ask anyone to do my killing for me. I didn't ask the millions of guys who went to Vietnam to kill any commies for me. Never. In fact, I asked them not to go. They chose not to listen to me. I loved them and let them go. When they returned I healed those that I could at the Northport VA for two years. I never asked for a thing from them, other than a pay check from their government every two weeks. As for the guys who are in wheel chairs, would you feel more comfortable if I joned them? Why? If you would like to know who I have killed and why, I'm happy to tell you, but it's gonna cost you a couple of beers. It's the price of truth these days. __________________________________________________ Bruce: What you do at times is interject your personal pespectives into your stories, and somtimes those little personal snippets are inflammatory. It's not the first time you've done it, and I know you do it on purpose. Those little personal snippets you always find necessary to interject into your stories only tell on you and only serve to reveal a little more about the real you. Tell me, what the hell does your intentions to dodge the Vietnam War draft have to do with the DB Cooper case? It's a revelation that is so irrelevant, unnecessary, and inflammatory --especially in this day and age. You're a trip dude. Meyer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MeyerLouie 5 #38997 March 30, 2013 Quote Quote 'Blevins: Shut your pie-hole! I purposely avoided getting into this discussion (as strongly as I feel about it), because it is not appropriate or relevant to this forum. So, what do you do? You get on your high horse and go for it. I don't give a rats ass about your opinion of the Vietnam War. That discussion is not appropriate here. But being appropriate has never been a high priority for you, has it? You're out of line. MeyerLouie' Okay, now. Let's be fair about this. You were the one who brought it up originally. The better place to do that would be over in Bruce's article at his newspaper site, on the comments section. It was YOU who went to the article, then made your draft dodging comment here...right? I see both of us as guilty. You for starting it, me for continuing it. If you guys want to debate the morality of the draft and Vietnam, we should just take it over to Speakers Corner. I'll agree this isn't the proper thread for it. __________________________________________________ Blevins: It was here, on this forum, that Bruce provided the link to his Mountain News article about his interview with the copycat hijacker. Therefore, he is responsible for it and its contents here -- not just there, Blevins, here! One more thing: just because someone brings something up here doesn't mean you always get to finish it. I know, you think this is your self-appointed duty to do so. I think you're being just a bit too helpful, it's TMI. Practice more humility, Grasshopper. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38998 March 30, 2013 The Park Avenue was NOT a 1995 Duane died in 1995 and I could NOT afford NEW cars only had 2 new cars in my life. A Pontiac in 1984 or 1985 and the one I bought in 2003 which I am still driving - an SUV. WHEW! I just pulled some old tax reports I thought I had disposed of and right in front was the Vehicle registration on the Tan Buick I replaced the White one with I had wrecked. My son-in-law had found this one for me and I got the tag in Aug of 2000 after the accident. I expect the Tan and the wrecked white one were the same age. The replacement was a 1993. This means the one I wrecked was older or the same age.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38999 March 30, 2013 ok, but if it was a Park Avenue, it still had the newer 3 point belt in it.... The old lap belts started disappearing in the mid 80's even with everything said Jo, I will still look something up for you if needed. all you have to do is ask, my beliefs of who Cooper is or was does not reflect what I think about you as a person Jo......"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #39000 March 30, 2013 NOT anything I want to introduce on the thread. Should I do so then there will be others posting pictures of their suspect with this or that item! I just do NOT want to go public without 1st confronting the FBI with this stuff...or at least being able to present the items to Tina. I do NOT expect she remembers anything - it was 3 hours out of her life and she was scared to death inside. Quote For whatever it's worth Jo~ Why not just throw it all against the wall & see what sticks? Want to 'pressure' the FBI...go public with what you have. Worried about someone 'else' working that angle...so what if they do, the idea is to solve this, maybe you will with some idea or info you're holding back. There comes a point in the game where direction is no longer important.....just throw the damn ball! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1555 1556 1557 1558 1559 1560 1561 1562 1563 1564 1565 Next Page 1560 of 2541 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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skyjack71 0 #38978 March 29, 2013 The only report I had was 2 paragraphs long. Since I did not contest it - no one took it any further! Mr. ABLED BODY: WHY don't you do the work to acquire all of these papers you! The FBI should have done so in 2000. I was actually afraid this was an attempt on my life - because of the timing and how the accident happened and it had only been a few wks before I personally showed up in the AREA the old friend of Duane's lived in. Looking at me face to face - he again told me to move forward and stop looking back - that it would lead to problems. His eyes were COLD and his face like a void. He did NOT smile at all! He would NOT tell me anything at all about the circumstances underwhich he knew JOHN COLLINS. He didn't know Duane Weber...or who JOHN was until 1980 when HE saw him in the MALL. I never saw a detailed accident report and my statement was from a hospital room. My history with Duane started in 1977 - I have MORE papers than most others would have, but the past of WEBER/Collins is convoluted - EVEN I have MORE than the FBI. If the FBI had more they DID NOT PRESENT IT TO ME OR TO THE PUBLIC! I am not an investigator, I wanted to know who my husband was and what he was involved in and why he told me what he did. I have MORE information than the FBI and most of WHAT the FBI has came from me. THE FBI never presented me with anything they had - other than CARR using the things I sent them. I questioned the accident, but was told it was my fault - I had no memory other than my injuries and my fear it could be connected to Cooper. I was trying to leave things to the FBI. IN FACT I did communicate to them the fact I thought the accident was related to the MAN from Duane's past. NEVER got past a mouth piece or a recording! I had already told you this 2000 accident was a useless thing to persue. Why did YOU persist? Because you just wanted to make me Look bad to others. U persued - I did NOT! YOU needed to make a point that JO was NOT a good INVESTIGATOR. THAT my DEAR is the FBI's JOB or so I thought! U would never survive 17 yrs of what I have live thru! U have been at this maybe 2 yrs now - and U are ALL READY biting the rabbit ears off. U did or claimed to be doing some kind of assimilation flight. WHY or WHAT drives U Mr. Shutter Man? What gives U the creditials to critizice me? What gives U the right to say U should have done this or that? Why do U even give a SHIT what I can prove or disprove? What is your MOTIVE in addressing anything I state? I don't see 377, or Robert99, or Georger, or many of the others who have a GREAT interest and LOTS of knowledge of the case - SLAMMING me the way you do. Perhaps I do NOT use the terminology SLAMMING correctly, but I do not know what U young people call it. Some question me but they do not usually RAG on.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #38979 March 29, 2013 Jo, you are the one trying to link it to this case, I am simply calling you out. you don't like me because I'm hard on you. your "evidence" falls apart when looked at. you claimed that you had single seat belts, I found different. you claim this was an attempt against your life and wish to forget it, but bring it up here? then say you don't have the report anymore? anyone who puts up evidence on here is subject to validation, if you can't handle that, I suggest you find a place that will only listen to your story! we are just supposed to allow you to write what ever you wish without justification? I don't call you names or scream is colors while commenting. try it sometime "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #38980 March 29, 2013 Quote Jo, you are the one trying to link it to this case, I am simply calling you out. you don't like me because I'm hard on you. your "evidence" falls apart when looked at. you claimed that you had single seat belts, I found different. I don't even remember the yr of the car. It was NOT new when I bought it and I do know I got the car around 1996 - 1997 and it WAS not new. I am sure it was at least 3 yrs old when I bought it. I do NOT remember a seat belt like I have on my 2003 Rendevous. WHO are U to give me orders to go else where to tell the story about Duane and to explore his background? U Mr. Shutter stated: we are just supposed to allow you to write what ever you wish without justification? Number one I am telling WHAT should have been told yrs ago and who is "we". Do YOU know who started this thread? Do YOU know who is responsible for a COOPER thread being on the DZ? Any other thread ever attempted on the DZ fizzled in a few month - due to chaos and those who had NO reason other than to cause discord amongst the posters. All of them were CLOSED! Is that your objective? To close the thread so NO once can present evidence or a suspect? I try NOT to do name calling. Unless you mean my old lady phrases when I make references to others. NOTE: I call my self crazy, delusional, off-my rocker, obcessive and complusive. ALL this discussion is doing is taking away from any REAL research or NEW evidence that could possibly be presented, so WHY do you even make SMART remarks to my posts? Sorry if U think color is screaming - I don't! It is my way of not getting lost in the shuffle. It is my way of making sure that certain things are read. BLUE - means - see me hear me. RED - means - DON'T miss this. If there is a rule about what color means in the thread let me know where to find it ...I have been here for almost 10 yrs. The moderator never mentioned it to me!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #38981 March 29, 2013 Just curious Jo ~ I drop in & out...what was the blockbuster thing you were about to reveal a couple weeks ago? I paged back through but think I missed it...? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #38982 March 29, 2013 Jo, you are a grown woman, start acting like one! why would I want the thread closed down, because I was hard on Jo? why does everything turn into my direction while asking you a question? you tell the same things over and over, you have been told this over and over Jo! The bottom line is I don't believe Weber had anything to do with this case! That is my opinion in which I'm entitled too..I see you brought up Alcatraz again, what have you done with that? nothing I'll bet. Jo, many times you have written in red letters and all caps, do I need to explain more? you have attacked my Character. you have attacked my employment. you call me names. and yet you cry when I ask you questions or find evidence against it? I am finished with this conversation, but will approach you any given time with any questions I have. Thank You "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #38983 March 29, 2013 My History with Duane started in 1977 - but the past of Weber and Collins and his travels is very convoluted. I actually have MORE than the FBI because if what they have is what Carr posted on this thread, they are in deep water! THAT information was thread and I had requested many time. What Carr posted was incomplete or they didn't find the "other" records. I am not an investigator, I wanted to know who my husband was and what he was involved in and why he told me what he did. I questioned the accident, but was told it was my fault - I had no memory other than my injuries and my fear it could be connected to Cooper. I was trying to leave things to the FBI. IN FACT I did communicate to them the fact I thought the accident was related to the MAN from Duane's past. NEVER got past a mouth piece or a recording! I had already told you this 2000 accident was a useless thing to persue. Why did YOU persist? The answer is? Because you just wanted to make me Look bad to others. U persued - I did NOT! YOU needed to make a point that JO was NOT a good INVESTIGATOR. THAT my DEAR is the FBI's JOB or so I thought! U would find the above statement offensive only if U were FBI involved with the investigation of Weber/Collins. With nothing more than a telephone - I think I did a damn good job finding out about Duane's past. Remember I didn't own a computer until 2000 and then I had to learn to use it. U would never survive 17 yrs of what I have live thru! U have been at this maybe 2 yrs now - and U have ALL READY chewed the rabbit ears off. U did or claimed to be doing some kind of assimilation flight. WHY or WHAT drives U Mr. Shutter Man? What gives U the creditials to critizice me? What gives U the right to say U should have done this or that? Note - U do not just suggest U demand! Why do U even give a SHIT what I can prove or disprove???????? What is your MOTIVE in addressing anything I state????? Why don't U just ignore my posts??????? I don't see 377, or Robert99, or Georger, or many of the others who have a GREAT interest and LOTS of knowledge of the case - SLAMMING me the way you do. Perhaps I do NOT use the terminology SLAMMING correctly, but I do not know what U young people call it. Some question me, but they do not usually RAG on about a mundane post. Frankly I do not see WHY U are so HELL BENT on the accident of 2000! That is a unique interest on your part. U must think or feel something ODD about the circumstances. WHY don't U ask the FBI why they didn't look into the unusual accident? I told them about it. Instead of slamming me why don't you do something useful if your simulated flight is not keeping you too busy. Why don't U find OUT who Tommy Gunn was or is and what happened to him.? What did he do from 1962 to 1968???? Why didn't the FBI make their interview with this man (if they even interviewed him) public? Or even address it as part of the investigation? NO explanation has ever been provided regarding the man above who threatened me! Why did this man KNOW Duane as JOHN? Why & how did this man know DUANE as JOHN COLLINS and from where? That is RED and BOLD because the statement needs to be addressed by the FBI. Don't SLAM me for things the FBI should have done - ASK the FBI why they didn't check out T.Gunn? Why they didn't check out another person who knew Duane as John Collins - that being Tony Wong? HOW did these men know each other and why was Duane's name the only one that was FAKE....or did ALL of the guy have a shared past that involve their just going POOF! Blue because it needs attention from the FBI and for anyone who is serious about ruling Weber out! WHY did Duane tell me that Gunn was a DANGEROUS MAN? To protect himself or to protect me? Find out who TOMMY GUNN was and U might solve the case. The answers lie within. I tried and got NO where. IT just took me back to another man who did NOT exist prior to 1962 ED HORAN....WHY did the FBI NOT have their artist and specialist compare the two pics. One of Anglin supposedly deceased in 1962 and one of Horan in 1983 who according to the person I took it to are ONE and the SAME! Too many STRANGE things to ignore and just pass on by. Will again attach the Anglin and the Horan photos - DO YOUR THING - U usually DO!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #38984 March 29, 2013 WHY or WHAT drives U Mr. Shutter Man? What gives U the creditials to critizice me? What gives U the right to say U should have done this or that? Note - U do not just suggest U demand! Why do U even give a SHIT what I can prove or disprove???????? What is your MOTIVE in addressing anything I state????? Why don't U just ignore my posts??????? Grow up Jo......."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #38985 March 29, 2013 Jo wrote Quote With nothing more than a telephone - I think I did a damn good job finding out about Duane's past. Finally something we can agree on Jo. You really did do an amazing job armed with just a phone and I know you have the bills to prove it. We still disagree as to whether any of what you found out connects Duane to Norjack. Are you still in touch with the Night Clerk who now resides in China? That little mystery never was fully resolved. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #38986 March 29, 2013 Good points 377, perhaps I was a little harsh in Jo's investigation, what I am getting at is her interpretation of what she has found. The Jo's way or no way look at it, she does not take criticism at all and lashes out when approached. So I do take back that part about how much she has done. still gives no reason to call people names when asking a question."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #38987 March 29, 2013 Shutter stated: QuoteJo, you are a grown woman, start acting like one! why would I want the thread closed down, because I was hard on Jo? why does everythingturn into my direction while asking you a question? you tell the same things over and over, you have been told this over and over Jo! JO states: U are supposed to be grown man so why are U not acting like one. Beginning to sound like the meltdown of a 5 yr old. AS for Alcatraz - I have done all I can do until THE FBI looks at it. I sent it to the FBI - but NO response - they never acknowedge the emails I send. I do not send them by snail mail because it gets expensive. Expect Agents of record never see all of the things as one person - it is all fragmented. I certainly have never attacked your Character - justifiably questioned you in the same manner as you do me. I questioned your employment because U were attempting to pass yourself off as some specialist in the aeronautical world. Solving this crime is NOT of interest to you - it is a way to EXPRESS yourself...and to make yourself a part of something! You came here knowing nothing a few months ago and then U GOT the attention U were looking for with the flight assimilation. I hope it was worth the money U invested into it. When U young folk get too cocky then your world comes tumbling down. Recently U seem to be having some problems and they are NOT about me.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #38988 March 29, 2013 FYI, the FBI is no longer controlling the missing men from Alcatraz, The US Marshal's Office is. again you are attacking me personally, Jo, I have responded to several issue's with your accident that don't seem right. I included my findings on this thread. how does this make my world tumble down? over a few questions? believe it or not Jo this thread is for discussing and validating evidence. Solving this crime is NOT of interest to you - it is a way to EXPRESS yourself...and to make yourself a part of something! You came here knowing nothing a few months ago and then U GOT the attention U were looking for with the flight assimilation. I hope it was worth the money U invested into it. " Jo, my project was going on for months before I told anyone on this thread, you have given the perfect example why I didn't do it at the start! well Georger and Hominid new of the project, but wasn't presented on DZ until a couple months ago.. please stop with the Knoss reply of not wanting to solve the case...."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #38989 March 29, 2013 Quote Just curious Jo ~ I drop in & out...what was the blockbuster thing you were about to reveal a couple weeks ago? I paged back through but think I missed it...? Hello? Is this this on? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #38990 March 29, 2013 Quote Just curious Jo ~ I drop in & out...what was the blockbuster thing you were about to reveal a couple weeks ago? I paged back through but think I missed it...? Didn't miss it - I did explain about going to the safe deposit box and then to get photos made and then home and then back to the box. My energy nor my car would allow me to make the trip...26 miles to box, then 18 to photo and then go back the way I came or go 29 miles back home. Then I have to make a trip 26 miles to and back to return the stuff to the box. Items I think MIGHT put WEBER on the plane! Now the other thing is co-ordinates of an area Duane took me to in 1979, but that won't put him on the plane. FBI said I had to put him on the plane...YET, they never showed all of the photos of Duane to the witnesses. I have been encouraged to GO public one last time - with the condition ALL photo are examined and used and I am allowed to voice certain thing. These things COULD not be cut out. Problem is I hate cameras and I freeze up and sound stupid - I guess I sound stupid because maybe I am. Starting to call myself STUPID OLD WOMAN every time I get upset. HARD to remember what I have to remember lately!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #38991 March 29, 2013 Jo, your not stupid, extremely stubborn, yes......"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #38992 March 30, 2013 Jo, I do not see you as a stupid old woman at all, but your post (above) doesnt clearly respond to what Airtwardo and I are asking. What items of evidence are you going to go public with? Are they just some additional photos of Duane? It would be hard to imagine that you have held back your best evidence this long. If you have photos that link Duane to Norjack or even just to parachuting post em here. Your tease modus operandi is sooooo counterproductive Jo, but I see no hope of changing it. Jo writesQuote I have been encouraged to GO public one last time - with the condition ALL photo are examined and used and I am allowed to voice certain thing. If you have probative evidence just disclose it and let it stand on its own two feet. If you have to augment it with a voice track one wonders why. Jo you promised to go public with blockbuster evidence. Either deliver or withdraw and apologize for the tease. You are your own worst enemy in the quest to establish that DW=DBC. Everyone tells you that but you just do not listen. I hope you have a good weekend. Get out of the house and forget about Cooper for a day or two. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #38993 March 30, 2013 MRSSHUTTER POSTED: how does this make my world tumble down? over a few questions? believe it or not Jo this thread is for discussing and validating evidence. Jo States: Discussing and validating - so what did the accident have to do with diddle squat? YOU did not validate anything nor did you discuss it - you just emphatically stated something regarding the seatbelt and U did NOT know my car and I do NOT remember the yr of the car. U ignore what U wish to. JO STATED and MRSSHUTTER reposted making it appear he said it: "Solving this crime is NOT of interest to you - it is a way to EXPRESS yourself...and to make yourself a part of something! You came here knowing nothing a few months ago and then U GOT the attention U were looking for with the flight assimilation. I hope it was worth the money U invested into it. " THEN MRSSHUTTER POSTED: Jo, my project was going on for months before I told anyone on this thread, you have given the perfect example why I didn't do it at the start! well Georger and Hominid new of the project, but wasn't presented on DZ until a couple months ago.. Jo States: You did state you had ordered the program - but, that is just it you know computers - that doesn't mean you can tell me what I said was right or wrong! That does NOT mean you have absorbed and assimilated the fact involved with Weber or the crime itself. Stop being MR RIGHTEOUS or you will have to change you Avatar. You are one Cocky young squirt! Now is that what you mean by my calling you NAMES? Well young feller I have done that ALL of my life and I have done if for yrs on this thread. Seems like the others GET me and never considered it name calling. Perhaps you should learn some respect for older folks. ASK Georger what all I called him? HE HATED IT! So he changed his AVATAR. I loved the Sweet Baboon!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #38994 March 30, 2013 once again you wish to attack me personally... you said it was an older Park Avenue........ they all have a 3 point safety belt in them..... Then you mention what year you thought it was. "The auto wreck - I really do NOT remember if I had the seat belt on or not. It was only one that went across the hips. I had an older Park AVenue - the ones with the really plush leather seats that was oh so comfy! The patrolman did tell me that the accident would probably not have been survivable had I not been in the Park Avenue. Right now I cannot remember the yr of the car -probably 1995. " I found this not to be true Jo, The Park Avenue from 89 on had the 3 point safety belt! my project started in June of 2012. the computer I had couldn't handle the software I was adding to the program and had to be changed. How do you say it, Read the thread! "Now is that what you mean by my calling you NAMES? " Not correct Jo, in the past you have called me other names I won't mention or worth finding. now you have accused me of drinking twice, more false statements Jo! when someone makes a claim of physical danger against them, I start checking into the story. That's how it is done. my approach might be different than others, but I can't help that. I look into things people say and run with it. you claim it was staged and yet the Insurance company was right there? I'm simply not buying it Jo, I'm entitled to my opinion.....end of story...."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #38995 March 30, 2013 Had HOPED to put certain things on the table with the FBI, but that has NOT happened. I wanted their reply on this, but I have to get it to them and they know of the existence of these items, so I assume they ARE NOT intereste. NOT anything I want to introduce on the thread. Should I do so then there will be others posting pictures of their suspect with this or that item! I just do NOT want to go public without 1st confronting the FBI with this stuff...or at least being able to present the items to Tina. I do NOT expect she remembers anything - it was 3 hours out of her life and she was scared to death inside. The FBI drags if feet - a few months ago there was 3 of the Nickles left and today what is left has no memory. Same way with the old Smokejumpers - one old old guy has all the photos and I doubt if he will be around for very long - He has an entire album like I sent to Florence - the one I never got back (the return was in the package prepaid)and that was never acknowledge as received. JUST tired of fighting the sytem - it is NOT fair. Why should I be forced to go PUBLIC when I really do NOT want to do so? SOMEDAY after I am gone - someone will present the one piece that brings everything together. A grave yard, a chute, a missing person - more than ONE person was involved in this crime - maybe 3. One died and 2 survived....Just a senseless riddle, but how I think sometimes. There was a stupid riddle Duane used to repeat about a little Indian boy, but BK got hold of my brain with his stupid stuff and I lost the riddle in my head. It was an indian riddle used on a reservation near Missoula. Duane recited the riddle on our trip to WA in 1971 when he remembered the young man he got in trouble with in the Coure d'alene area. NO one know how hard I have tried to remember that damn riddle. The Riddle used by Paperlegs was similar, but this riddle but, was about an Indian boy he got in trouble with (funny sounding name - just had a fragment of a memory)....or used by the parents of the Indian Boy. The boy was younger than Duane - something I remembered just flashed. Duane was responsible for the trouble they got into....didn't say what the trouble was . He could never go BACK! If he could never go BACK as late as 1979 - what the hell was he talking about? The mind and the memory is a miraculous thing. One tiny bit of memory understress and duress triggers a deeper memory one thought was buried forever and ever. The boy was younger - so the boy was under 20 because Duane was 20 to 24 during his residency in WA, OR & ID.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeyerLouie 5 #38996 March 30, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGreetings All, I've had two converstaions this week with a copycat, Robb Dolin Heady. The interview is posted at the Mountain News: _________________________________________________ Bruce: I enjoyed your articlel. It provides a little more insight for sure. I wished, though, you had not revealed your intentions about being a Vietnam draft dodger. I have very strong feelings about that issue, and this is certainly not the appropriate place to discuss it. Suffice it to say, I have friends in wheel chairs today who wouldn't give it a second thought about going into harms way again for their country. Meyer You are incorrect, Meyer. I am not a dodger of anything. I certainly don't dodge killing. I simply pick and chose who I want to kill, why, and when. I never ask anyone to do my killing for me. I didn't ask the millions of guys who went to Vietnam to kill any commies for me. Never. In fact, I asked them not to go. They chose not to listen to me. I loved them and let them go. When they returned I healed those that I could at the Northport VA for two years. I never asked for a thing from them, other than a pay check from their government every two weeks. As for the guys who are in wheel chairs, would you feel more comfortable if I joned them? Why? If you would like to know who I have killed and why, I'm happy to tell you, but it's gonna cost you a couple of beers. It's the price of truth these days. __________________________________________________ Bruce: What you do at times is interject your personal pespectives into your stories, and somtimes those little personal snippets are inflammatory. It's not the first time you've done it, and I know you do it on purpose. Those little personal snippets you always find necessary to interject into your stories only tell on you and only serve to reveal a little more about the real you. Tell me, what the hell does your intentions to dodge the Vietnam War draft have to do with the DB Cooper case? It's a revelation that is so irrelevant, unnecessary, and inflammatory --especially in this day and age. You're a trip dude. Meyer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MeyerLouie 5 #38997 March 30, 2013 Quote Quote 'Blevins: Shut your pie-hole! I purposely avoided getting into this discussion (as strongly as I feel about it), because it is not appropriate or relevant to this forum. So, what do you do? You get on your high horse and go for it. I don't give a rats ass about your opinion of the Vietnam War. That discussion is not appropriate here. But being appropriate has never been a high priority for you, has it? You're out of line. MeyerLouie' Okay, now. Let's be fair about this. You were the one who brought it up originally. The better place to do that would be over in Bruce's article at his newspaper site, on the comments section. It was YOU who went to the article, then made your draft dodging comment here...right? I see both of us as guilty. You for starting it, me for continuing it. If you guys want to debate the morality of the draft and Vietnam, we should just take it over to Speakers Corner. I'll agree this isn't the proper thread for it. __________________________________________________ Blevins: It was here, on this forum, that Bruce provided the link to his Mountain News article about his interview with the copycat hijacker. Therefore, he is responsible for it and its contents here -- not just there, Blevins, here! One more thing: just because someone brings something up here doesn't mean you always get to finish it. I know, you think this is your self-appointed duty to do so. I think you're being just a bit too helpful, it's TMI. Practice more humility, Grasshopper. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #38998 March 30, 2013 The Park Avenue was NOT a 1995 Duane died in 1995 and I could NOT afford NEW cars only had 2 new cars in my life. A Pontiac in 1984 or 1985 and the one I bought in 2003 which I am still driving - an SUV. WHEW! I just pulled some old tax reports I thought I had disposed of and right in front was the Vehicle registration on the Tan Buick I replaced the White one with I had wrecked. My son-in-law had found this one for me and I got the tag in Aug of 2000 after the accident. I expect the Tan and the wrecked white one were the same age. The replacement was a 1993. This means the one I wrecked was older or the same age.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #38999 March 30, 2013 ok, but if it was a Park Avenue, it still had the newer 3 point belt in it.... The old lap belts started disappearing in the mid 80's even with everything said Jo, I will still look something up for you if needed. all you have to do is ask, my beliefs of who Cooper is or was does not reflect what I think about you as a person Jo......"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #39000 March 30, 2013 NOT anything I want to introduce on the thread. Should I do so then there will be others posting pictures of their suspect with this or that item! I just do NOT want to go public without 1st confronting the FBI with this stuff...or at least being able to present the items to Tina. I do NOT expect she remembers anything - it was 3 hours out of her life and she was scared to death inside. Quote For whatever it's worth Jo~ Why not just throw it all against the wall & see what sticks? Want to 'pressure' the FBI...go public with what you have. Worried about someone 'else' working that angle...so what if they do, the idea is to solve this, maybe you will with some idea or info you're holding back. There comes a point in the game where direction is no longer important.....just throw the damn ball! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1555 1556 1557 1558 1559 1560 1561 1562 1563 1564 1565 Next Page 1560 of 2541 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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MeyerLouie 5 #38997 March 30, 2013 Quote Quote 'Blevins: Shut your pie-hole! I purposely avoided getting into this discussion (as strongly as I feel about it), because it is not appropriate or relevant to this forum. So, what do you do? You get on your high horse and go for it. I don't give a rats ass about your opinion of the Vietnam War. That discussion is not appropriate here. But being appropriate has never been a high priority for you, has it? You're out of line. MeyerLouie' Okay, now. Let's be fair about this. You were the one who brought it up originally. The better place to do that would be over in Bruce's article at his newspaper site, on the comments section. It was YOU who went to the article, then made your draft dodging comment here...right? I see both of us as guilty. You for starting it, me for continuing it. If you guys want to debate the morality of the draft and Vietnam, we should just take it over to Speakers Corner. I'll agree this isn't the proper thread for it. __________________________________________________ Blevins: It was here, on this forum, that Bruce provided the link to his Mountain News article about his interview with the copycat hijacker. Therefore, he is responsible for it and its contents here -- not just there, Blevins, here! One more thing: just because someone brings something up here doesn't mean you always get to finish it. I know, you think this is your self-appointed duty to do so. I think you're being just a bit too helpful, it's TMI. Practice more humility, Grasshopper. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #38998 March 30, 2013 The Park Avenue was NOT a 1995 Duane died in 1995 and I could NOT afford NEW cars only had 2 new cars in my life. A Pontiac in 1984 or 1985 and the one I bought in 2003 which I am still driving - an SUV. WHEW! I just pulled some old tax reports I thought I had disposed of and right in front was the Vehicle registration on the Tan Buick I replaced the White one with I had wrecked. My son-in-law had found this one for me and I got the tag in Aug of 2000 after the accident. I expect the Tan and the wrecked white one were the same age. The replacement was a 1993. This means the one I wrecked was older or the same age.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #38999 March 30, 2013 ok, but if it was a Park Avenue, it still had the newer 3 point belt in it.... The old lap belts started disappearing in the mid 80's even with everything said Jo, I will still look something up for you if needed. all you have to do is ask, my beliefs of who Cooper is or was does not reflect what I think about you as a person Jo......"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #39000 March 30, 2013 NOT anything I want to introduce on the thread. Should I do so then there will be others posting pictures of their suspect with this or that item! I just do NOT want to go public without 1st confronting the FBI with this stuff...or at least being able to present the items to Tina. I do NOT expect she remembers anything - it was 3 hours out of her life and she was scared to death inside. Quote For whatever it's worth Jo~ Why not just throw it all against the wall & see what sticks? Want to 'pressure' the FBI...go public with what you have. Worried about someone 'else' working that angle...so what if they do, the idea is to solve this, maybe you will with some idea or info you're holding back. There comes a point in the game where direction is no longer important.....just throw the damn ball! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
