rushmc 18 #26 December 6, 2004 QuoteI know what Six Sigma is... seems every company on the planet pounced on it about six years ago. Its a very useful skill.. but I just dont like stats that much. ps- I'm an Implementation Specialist for a software company. That usually needs some defining as well. AlrightThis is more like I was expecting the thread to be like"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #27 December 6, 2004 My job title is a "Lean Six Sigma Black Belt" I am confused? Is this not a certificate? Or is it as you say a job title? Also on your profile it says under occupation that you are still looking. I am not trying to take the piss or anything but have just done a search on your 'job title' and it says that it is a certificate. I was once a petroleum technician when i was younger. I pumped gas. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #28 December 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteI know what Six Sigma is... seems every company on the planet pounced on it about six years ago. Its a very useful skill.. but I just dont like stats that much. ps- I'm an Implementation Specialist for a software company. That usually needs some defining as well. AlrightThis is more like I was expecting the thread to be like Yep.. basically I go to our new clients, trash thier old software after I gather data to convert, then get them all geared up on our software, install, and train them plus work out programming issues and make changes for each individual client. Its a long process. I'm never home. But I'd rather be a systems analyst. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #29 December 6, 2004 You are most likely right because after training and meeting the requirements you become a "certified" Lean Six Sigma Black Belt. However, where I work it is also your job title..Go figure"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbain 0 #30 December 6, 2004 I've heard of and worked with Six Sigma Black Belts. Both where I used to work at Dow Chemical and where I work now at Lockheed Martin. I'm a Material Science Engineer but most of the time I just tell people that I'm trying to fix the foam on the external tank for the space shuttle. There are a lot of smart skydivers with college degrees that are going to know what six sigma black belts are. Just because we jump out of airplanes it doesn't mean we aren't smart enough to understand what a Six Sigma Black Belt does if you're willing to take the time and explain it. Christina Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #31 December 6, 2004 I like your explination and I agree about smart skydivers. The small DZ I jump at is mostly all professionals. ie Doctors, engineers and teachers. I just haven't yet found a fun and acurate explination for what I do like you haveThanks, I will try finding an example like you have."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 December 6, 2004 You're a Lean production and Six Sigma trainer Looks to be a lot like TQM and ISO stuff for process control/management.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #33 December 6, 2004 Yep, everything you said"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,683 #34 December 6, 2004 It's all marketing BS. Even Motorola, which introduced this crap in the 1980's, admitted that its 6-sigma program was only targeting 4.5 sigma. Fat lot of good it did Motorola. Having any amount of sigma in your process won't help if people don't want to buy your product, and you can sell the most unreliable junk if people want it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #35 December 6, 2004 Quote It's all marketing BS. Even Motorola, which introduced this crap in the 1980's, admitted that its 6-sigma program was only targeting 4.5 sigma. Fat lot of good it did Motorola. Having any amount of sigma in your process won't help if people don't want to buy your product, and you can sell the most unreliable junk if people want it. Agreed, we are using it slightly differently but you make a good point!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #36 December 6, 2004 Quotewhat job title to you have that is hard to explain to anybody else? I'm an Aerodynamic Decelerator Redistribution Specialist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #37 December 6, 2004 ....but I am not sure it is legal!!??"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,412 #38 December 6, 2004 Quote It's all marketing BS. Even Motorola, which introduced this crap in the 1980's, admitted that its 6-sigma program was only targeting 4.5 sigma. Fat lot of good it did Motorola. Having any amount of sigma in your process won't help if people don't want to buy your product, and you can sell the most unreliable junk if people want it. AMEN!!! I was at Moto from '93-96'. The Six Sigma crap was nothing but another layer of useless bureaucracy in a company that was already overloaded with bullshit. Six Sigma only served to waste resources. (I fled the BS in '96). Five years later, I found myself in a different company that decided to jump on the 6S bandwagon. Same old useless crap, but this time they added the green/black belt bullshit. Now I spent several years, and sweat, and blood (literally) working my way up to blue-belt in Tae Kwon Do, and I *thoroughly* resent office-worker turkeys calling themselves by belt-ranks just because they sit in meetings a few hours. Fortunately, I'm starting to hear former supporters starting to vocalize reservations about the whole thing. 6S might have a use in factory production, but it has no business in white-collar office work, which is where Moto & my current employer tried to make it fit."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #39 December 6, 2004 Quote....but I am not sure it is legal!!?? Oh, it's legal. If it wasn't I'm sure I'd be making craploads more money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #40 December 6, 2004 QuoteQuoteMy job? My a slut. I'll do just about anything for money...I'm a consultant... Do you mean buy a slut? Actually 'I'm'...----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bertusgeert 1 #41 December 6, 2004 Ok, just reading all this I am still left clueless...would someone take time out and explain what 6SBB is in terms that a 8y.o can understand? (And for the record, I would be scared shitless too! Six fraternity guys with blackbelts? I'm not fighting!) --------------------------------------------- As jy dom is moet jy bloei! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phillbo 11 #42 December 6, 2004 Green belt certified here.. I'm in Credit Card Fraud . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #43 December 7, 2004 Quote It's all marketing BS. Even Motorola, which introduced this crap in the 1980's, admitted that its 6-sigma program was only targeting 4.5 sigma. Fat lot of good it did Motorola. yup, it was complete crap.. it totally interfered with getting any real work or testing accomplished while we jumped through their stupid hoops.. fortunately Moto sold us off to make some quick cash. and there was much rejoicing We are FAR better off and have landed several major contracts based on actual performance values vs their made up standards since we left that particular useless corp bullshit behind... still wondering why this is in general skydiving..??____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #44 December 7, 2004 Quote It's all marketing BS. Even Motorola, which introduced this crap in the 1980's, admitted that its 6-sigma program was only targeting 4.5 sigma. Fat lot of good it did Motorola. Having any amount of sigma in your process won't help if people don't want to buy your product, and you can sell the most unreliable junk if people want it. I think I have to agree. (as much as it pains me) It sounds like someone put together a package of bull shit, sold it to the boss and got himself a promotion and a fat raise. Then there was a seminar on the subject and it became the new hot thing. What you end up with is too many people taking about how to do the job properly and no one doing the fucking job. jmo SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #45 December 7, 2004 I work in Service Assurance. Most people ask "Service Insurance"? I now tell them I am in Quality Control. Ya know the guy Tom Hanks played in "Castaway"? Thats me. I also know about Six sigma...Seemed like a giant waste of time."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #46 December 7, 2004 Pays the bills"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouYoung 0 #47 December 7, 2004 In my division of the company I work for every employee is required to get a Six Sigma Greenbelt and a Design For Six Sigma certification. I know what you do, and I feel sorry for you. Ugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #48 December 7, 2004 They are going a simular way here thanks for the understanding"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,280 #49 December 7, 2004 I'm with bertusgeet here, I have no idea what anyone is talking about. I'd be grateful if someone could explain 1) What a Sigma is 2) Why you need six of them 3) Why lean ones are better than fat ones 4) Why you need certain colour belts to use them (cos I'm usually happy as long as they stop my trousers, sorry pants, from falling down) And remember, terms that an 8yo can understand!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,683 #50 December 7, 2004 QuoteQuote It's all marketing BS. Even Motorola, which introduced this crap in the 1980's, admitted that its 6-sigma program was only targeting 4.5 sigma. Fat lot of good it did Motorola. yup, it was complete crap.. it totally interfered with getting any real work or testing accomplished while we jumped through their stupid hoops.. fortunately Moto sold us off to make some quick cash. and there was much rejoicing We are FAR better off and have landed several major contracts based on actual performance values vs their made up standards since we left that particular useless corp bullshit behind... still wondering why this is in general skydiving..?? Can't answer your last question. Notwithstanding, I know the Galvins pretty well, and I'm sure they were the BS artists that promoted this stuff. They even tried promoting it as a way to run our university. The President bought into it but the faculty ignored it, and eventually it went away.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites