HydroGuy 0 #1 April 2, 2005 Probably going to order some Birdman Freefly Pantz...as I'm not really fond of jumpsuits. I know they are great for tracking and back tracking, headdown etc, but do they have any distinct disadvantages in normal belly to earth stuff? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 April 2, 2005 Nope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crazydiver 0 #3 April 2, 2005 Ya. They make you fall extremely slow. Cheers, Travis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HydroGuy 0 #4 April 2, 2005 QuoteYa. They make you fall extremely slow. Is that a disadvantage as to flying with others? Or doing manuevers? Or do you just like to fall at a higher velocity?Get in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #5 April 2, 2005 QuoteProbably going to order some Birdman Freefly Pantz...as I'm not really fond of jumpsuits. I know they are great for tracking and back tracking, headdown etc, but do they have any distinct disadvantages in normal belly to earth stuff? They will NOT inflate when your belly to earth if your legs are bent slightly at the knees, as you'd do normally while belly flying. You only have the drag of the material, the same as you would in any freefly pants. But when you turn to track, you'll SMOKE everyone else with normal freefly pants, garenteed. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Casurf1978 0 #6 April 2, 2005 I've thought about getting these too and was wondering could one also use them for FF? Or would you advice getting a separate pair of pants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #7 April 2, 2005 QuoteI've thought about getting these too and was wondering could one also use them for FF? Or would you advice getting a separate pair of pants. They are great for freeflying. Some people think of them as training wheels when flying head down. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Keith 0 #8 April 2, 2005 Alls I gotta say is there's something wrong with you Kurt - I looked at your profile. You know how to spell and punctuate. You DO know that's frowned upon around here Oh, and the answer to your question is "No." Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katzurki 0 #9 April 2, 2005 Just for clarification, can what's been said be equally applied to Phoenix Fly pants? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #10 April 2, 2005 QuoteJust for clarification, can what's been said be equally applied to Phoenix Fly pants? I'd have to say no. Birdman Pantz are just like regular freefly pants but they have slots for inflation, where as PF pants are more something like ski pants that inflate. Greatly different and I have never seen anyone freefly in PF pants. But you never know.... Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dropoutdave 0 #11 April 2, 2005 Anyone know what the Birdman BASE pantz are like for freeflying? ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #12 April 3, 2005 QuoteAnyone know what the Birdman BASE pantz are like for freeflying? Look up 5 posts from this one and see my reply to that question. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SixtySecRush 0 #13 April 3, 2005 Hey Kurt. Get with BodyPilot1 about the pantz. I'm getting ready to order me a pair on monday or tuesday. BodyPilot1 has been alot of help with questions and all and sent me all i needed to get the pantz ordered. Send him a PM and he will be glad to help you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites op5e 0 #14 April 3, 2005 I notice there is a base and a skydiving version of these pants. Has anyone had any experience using the base pants while skydiving. Any adverse effects? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #15 April 3, 2005 I use mine mainly for AFF instruction and have noted only positive points over a jumpsuit. Slow fall is fantastic, around low 100's, and I can get up to the low 140's on my belly. That's good news for me. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LouDiamond 1 #16 April 3, 2005 Several people with the BASE version have taken them out skydiving with no ill effects. In fact, Manbird used to jump his all the time and was getting some pretty sick times. They will inflate faster than the skydiving version because of the way they are designed with inlets in the inner thigh area and a larger inlet on the shin. The only draw back is if you're a back tracker, the BASE version have no inlets on the back of the leg like the skydiving version do. Also the leg is more tapered on the BASE version and has no excess or bell bottom effect like the skydiving version. Both BASE and skydivng versions can have the cordura knees and butt added on. The BASE version also has a zipper option on the ankle of the pantz for easy donning over shoes. Personally, I do everything in them, Tandems, Camera work, FF and RW. They make your ass look great hence the term "Smack Booty" edite to add: the BASE version also have a higher waist than the skydiving version."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SixtySecRush 0 #17 April 3, 2005 would there be very much difference in getting the tappered leg in the skydive version as opposed to the bell bottom type. I personaly like the tappered leg more than the baggy bottoms but i want the skydive version not the base version due to the air inlets Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowbird 0 #18 April 3, 2005 There's a gal here at home who wears her Pantz for everything. The only disadvantage is in belly RW. It's a bitch to take a grip on her! Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. -Robert A. Heinlein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #19 April 3, 2005 I'm a bit confused - while on your belly in a typical RW stance, the pants do or do not inflate? If it does, you fell that the inflation helps slow you down?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HydroGuy 0 #20 April 4, 2005 QuoteHey Kurt. Get with BodyPilot1 about the pantz. I'm getting ready to order me a pair on monday or tuesday. BodyPilot1 has been alot of help with questions and all and sent me all i needed to get the pantz ordered. Send him a PM and he will be glad to help you. Yep, received Eds email today...just need to find somewhere to get measured up. I'll let everyone know what I think...even though I don't have squat to compare it against. I'd just rather jump in the Pantz and long sleeve T or sweatshirt...Get in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Superman32 0 #21 April 4, 2005 I just did a little search on these pants and they sound great, maybe not just yet for me, but a definite future purchase. The only thing I haven't found is their price. How much do they go for (on average)? Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #22 April 4, 2005 $200 for custom, and worth every cent. You may be able to get them cheaper for stock. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dropoutdave 0 #23 April 4, 2005 Has anyone got any close up pictures of their Pantz? The pictures on the website are pretty crap. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 3 #24 April 4, 2005 QuoteI notice there is a base and a skydiving version of these pants. Has anyone had any experience using the base pants while skydiving. Any adverse effects? BASE pantz are fantastic for tandems and AFF where you want more leg power, but just don't like wearing bootie suits. They inflate faster and harder than the freefly version. They work better on tracking dives as well in my opinion. I have both BASE and freefly versions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #25 April 4, 2005 QuoteProbably going to order some Birdman Freefly Pantz...as I'm not really fond of jumpsuits. I know they are great for tracking and back tracking, headdown etc, but do they have any distinct disadvantages in normal belly to earth stuff? I'm not really fond of wearing a parachute, but it's the right tool for the job and the tunnel gets expensive to go every weekend so I have a (a couple) anyway. Suits etc are also good tools. I think one can fly in about any outfit, I can go in lots of orientations (HD, set, knee) in my RW suit, but if I want to freefly, then I wear my freefly stuff. If I want to do some serious RW, then the booties and grippers come on. If I'm dinking around and will be several body positions then the generic FF coverall comes on. I have an RW suit, FF pants, FF suit, and also sturdy clothes for CrW. It doesn't take long to accumulate the necessary stuff. It helps my wife sews custom FF clothes though. The suits and the suit features are a big benefit for their target flying styles. Don't sell them short. But still, skill counts most in the end. If you're interested in "belly flying" then no issues. If you want to be any good at "formation skydiving" and want others to want to play with you in a serious way, then get an RW suit and go play. Ditto for serious FF vs dinking around FF stuff. If you just don't have the bucks, try a work coverall (pin the sipper in place). Or maybe sweats (find a way to keep the tops from coming untucked). Make sure you know where your handles are with loose stuff like this. If you're jumping in your blue jeans, for gosh sake empty your pockets. ... 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crazydiver 0 #3 April 2, 2005 Ya. They make you fall extremely slow. Cheers, Travis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HydroGuy 0 #4 April 2, 2005 QuoteYa. They make you fall extremely slow. Is that a disadvantage as to flying with others? Or doing manuevers? Or do you just like to fall at a higher velocity?Get in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #5 April 2, 2005 QuoteProbably going to order some Birdman Freefly Pantz...as I'm not really fond of jumpsuits. I know they are great for tracking and back tracking, headdown etc, but do they have any distinct disadvantages in normal belly to earth stuff? They will NOT inflate when your belly to earth if your legs are bent slightly at the knees, as you'd do normally while belly flying. You only have the drag of the material, the same as you would in any freefly pants. But when you turn to track, you'll SMOKE everyone else with normal freefly pants, garenteed. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #6 April 2, 2005 I've thought about getting these too and was wondering could one also use them for FF? Or would you advice getting a separate pair of pants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #7 April 2, 2005 QuoteI've thought about getting these too and was wondering could one also use them for FF? Or would you advice getting a separate pair of pants. They are great for freeflying. Some people think of them as training wheels when flying head down. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 0 #8 April 2, 2005 Alls I gotta say is there's something wrong with you Kurt - I looked at your profile. You know how to spell and punctuate. You DO know that's frowned upon around here Oh, and the answer to your question is "No." Keith Don't Fuck with me Keith - J. Mandeville Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #9 April 2, 2005 Just for clarification, can what's been said be equally applied to Phoenix Fly pants? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #10 April 2, 2005 QuoteJust for clarification, can what's been said be equally applied to Phoenix Fly pants? I'd have to say no. Birdman Pantz are just like regular freefly pants but they have slots for inflation, where as PF pants are more something like ski pants that inflate. Greatly different and I have never seen anyone freefly in PF pants. But you never know.... Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #11 April 2, 2005 Anyone know what the Birdman BASE pantz are like for freeflying? ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #12 April 3, 2005 QuoteAnyone know what the Birdman BASE pantz are like for freeflying? Look up 5 posts from this one and see my reply to that question. Be safe. Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SixtySecRush 0 #13 April 3, 2005 Hey Kurt. Get with BodyPilot1 about the pantz. I'm getting ready to order me a pair on monday or tuesday. BodyPilot1 has been alot of help with questions and all and sent me all i needed to get the pantz ordered. Send him a PM and he will be glad to help you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
op5e 0 #14 April 3, 2005 I notice there is a base and a skydiving version of these pants. Has anyone had any experience using the base pants while skydiving. Any adverse effects? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #15 April 3, 2005 I use mine mainly for AFF instruction and have noted only positive points over a jumpsuit. Slow fall is fantastic, around low 100's, and I can get up to the low 140's on my belly. That's good news for me. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #16 April 3, 2005 Several people with the BASE version have taken them out skydiving with no ill effects. In fact, Manbird used to jump his all the time and was getting some pretty sick times. They will inflate faster than the skydiving version because of the way they are designed with inlets in the inner thigh area and a larger inlet on the shin. The only draw back is if you're a back tracker, the BASE version have no inlets on the back of the leg like the skydiving version do. Also the leg is more tapered on the BASE version and has no excess or bell bottom effect like the skydiving version. Both BASE and skydivng versions can have the cordura knees and butt added on. The BASE version also has a zipper option on the ankle of the pantz for easy donning over shoes. Personally, I do everything in them, Tandems, Camera work, FF and RW. They make your ass look great hence the term "Smack Booty" edite to add: the BASE version also have a higher waist than the skydiving version."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SixtySecRush 0 #17 April 3, 2005 would there be very much difference in getting the tappered leg in the skydive version as opposed to the bell bottom type. I personaly like the tappered leg more than the baggy bottoms but i want the skydive version not the base version due to the air inlets Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowbird 0 #18 April 3, 2005 There's a gal here at home who wears her Pantz for everything. The only disadvantage is in belly RW. It's a bitch to take a grip on her! Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. -Robert A. Heinlein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #19 April 3, 2005 I'm a bit confused - while on your belly in a typical RW stance, the pants do or do not inflate? If it does, you fell that the inflation helps slow you down?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HydroGuy 0 #20 April 4, 2005 QuoteHey Kurt. Get with BodyPilot1 about the pantz. I'm getting ready to order me a pair on monday or tuesday. BodyPilot1 has been alot of help with questions and all and sent me all i needed to get the pantz ordered. Send him a PM and he will be glad to help you. Yep, received Eds email today...just need to find somewhere to get measured up. I'll let everyone know what I think...even though I don't have squat to compare it against. I'd just rather jump in the Pantz and long sleeve T or sweatshirt...Get in - Get off - Get away....repeat as neccessary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman32 0 #21 April 4, 2005 I just did a little search on these pants and they sound great, maybe not just yet for me, but a definite future purchase. The only thing I haven't found is their price. How much do they go for (on average)? Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #22 April 4, 2005 $200 for custom, and worth every cent. You may be able to get them cheaper for stock. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #23 April 4, 2005 Has anyone got any close up pictures of their Pantz? The pictures on the website are pretty crap. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #24 April 4, 2005 QuoteI notice there is a base and a skydiving version of these pants. Has anyone had any experience using the base pants while skydiving. Any adverse effects? BASE pantz are fantastic for tandems and AFF where you want more leg power, but just don't like wearing bootie suits. They inflate faster and harder than the freefly version. They work better on tracking dives as well in my opinion. I have both BASE and freefly versions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 April 4, 2005 QuoteProbably going to order some Birdman Freefly Pantz...as I'm not really fond of jumpsuits. I know they are great for tracking and back tracking, headdown etc, but do they have any distinct disadvantages in normal belly to earth stuff? I'm not really fond of wearing a parachute, but it's the right tool for the job and the tunnel gets expensive to go every weekend so I have a (a couple) anyway. Suits etc are also good tools. I think one can fly in about any outfit, I can go in lots of orientations (HD, set, knee) in my RW suit, but if I want to freefly, then I wear my freefly stuff. If I want to do some serious RW, then the booties and grippers come on. If I'm dinking around and will be several body positions then the generic FF coverall comes on. I have an RW suit, FF pants, FF suit, and also sturdy clothes for CrW. It doesn't take long to accumulate the necessary stuff. It helps my wife sews custom FF clothes though. The suits and the suit features are a big benefit for their target flying styles. Don't sell them short. But still, skill counts most in the end. If you're interested in "belly flying" then no issues. If you want to be any good at "formation skydiving" and want others to want to play with you in a serious way, then get an RW suit and go play. Ditto for serious FF vs dinking around FF stuff. If you just don't have the bucks, try a work coverall (pin the sipper in place). Or maybe sweats (find a way to keep the tops from coming untucked). Make sure you know where your handles are with loose stuff like this. If you're jumping in your blue jeans, for gosh sake empty your pockets. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
