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Brian425 0
Parachutes want to open. Just be careful and go slow. You'll get it.
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The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.
Brian425 0
I agree with 99% of what you say. for me saving time by packing is out of the question. It's just my pack jobs can take 30 minutes or more easily. I'm just slow. Everything else is spot on.
B
The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.
feuergnom 22
imho learning how to pack is one of the basics of skydiving and every student should be more than eager to do it. having made 25 jumps without even packing once is ridiculous
what would you do if you came to a dz without a packer? make one jump and then?
skydiving is a sport that puts great emphasis on being responsible for yourself. start with learning how to pack & don't rely on others
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skyyhi 0
Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ
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kosanke 0
as for me. the hell with learning. it's easier to pack a katana 97 than my old pd230. less fabric.
riggerrob 558
Quotethat's one of the few things i still don't get - that it is _not_ common for u.s. students to learn to pack their chute starting with jump # 1
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Two reasons: first, instructors are so busy cramming "must know" survival skills into first jump students, that there is simply not enough time in a day to teach packing.
Later on (i.e. after a dozen jumps) we start teaching them how to pack.
The second reason is professional packers. Busy schools do not have the time to teach packing during a busy Saturday afternoon. They also prefer the low malfunction rate afforded by staff packers.
Many AFF students only do the bare minimum of pack jobs to earn their A License, then never touch another rubber band for the rest of their lives.
Fine by me!
Professional packers mean the DZ can launch more airplanes per day and more money gets spread around DZ employees.
If wealthy skydivers arrive at a small DZ without professional packers, they only make one jump, then go home.
Let's face it, packing is hot, dirty, grimy work. I much prefer Keith or Andrew to pack my tandem rigs. I am just too cheap to pay them to pack my Stiletto.
feuergnom 22
Quoteinstructors are so busy cramming "must know" survival skills into first jump students, that there is simply not enough time in a day to teach packing.
imho knowing how to pack a parachute _is_ a must know/survival skill
QuoteBusy schools do not have the time to teach packing during a busy Saturday afternoon.
tandem masters haul passengers to make cash schools haul students to do the same? (of course i know that any dz benefits if the scholl has a lot of students. but i feel that something valuable is lost if you walk on _this_ way)
QuoteThey also prefer the low malfunction rate afforded by staff packers
i'm curious about numbers - got any statistics?
when we train students how to pack, they need to get their packing-card signed off (this is either done by a teacher or a coach). forgot one check? start over. and most of our students become proficient really quick, no matter what they pack some of them can handle slippery zp better than me
QuoteMany AFF students only do the bare minimum of pack jobs to earn their A License, then never touch another rubber band for the rest of their lives
i know i don't have to be a computer expert to write this post. i know i don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car. but i bet that most of the students that don't care about learning how to pack know much more how to fix a computer or a car or a motorbike ...
QuoteProfessional packers mean the DZ can launch more airplanes per day and more money gets spread around DZ employees
reads like: it's a money thing
what get's my nerve is this consumer-attitude. "no, i don't have to do xxxx because i can pay xxxx to do it for me" reads like "i have a right to remain ignorant"
edit to ad: this is not mennt to be offensive to you. it is meant to critizise an attitude
dudeist skydiver # 666
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Quotethings are definitely different here (europe/austria)
QuoteMy response is a general one based on what I've seen at some of the larger DZ's in the US. Every dropzone is run differently I'm sure that at the smaller DZ's with smallers airplanes and less students thing might still be done like their done in your country.
Quoteinstructors are so busy cramming "must know" survival skills into first jump students, that there is simply not enough time in a day to teach packing
>>imho knowing how to pack a parachute _is_ a must know/survival skill..
I agree somewhat but also depends on where you jump, how often you jump and how much $$$ you got.QuoteBusy schools do not have the time to teach packing during a busy Saturday afternoon.
tandem masters haul passengers to make cash schools haul students to do the same? (of course i know that any dz benefits if the scholl has a lot of students. but i feel that something valuable is lost if you walk on _this_ way)
This is North america a lot of DZ's (maybe not clubs) are interested in maximum efficency and minimum cost. A student will take a hour or .....? to pack a rig a packer can do it in 10 minutes so the DZ needs less rigs for the same number of student less time for instuction. $$$$QuoteThey also prefer the low malfunction rate afforded by staff packers
>>i'm curious about numbers - got any statistics?
when we train students how to pack, they need to get their packing-card signed off (this is either done by a teacher or a coach). forgot one check? start over. and most of our students become proficient really quick, no matter what they pack some of them can handle slippery zp better than me >>
IMO Students will be very careful packing their own rig. "Back in the day" of static lines student malfuntions were due more to poor poor body position (reverse arch) than poor packing. Sorry no statistics just a old fart.QuoteMany AFF students only do the bare minimum of pack jobs to earn their A License, then never touch another rubber band for the rest of their lives
i know i don't have to be a computer expert to write this post. i know i don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car. but i bet that most of the students that don't care about learning how to pack know much more how to fix a computer or a car or a motorbike ...
Student are scared of packing, and the physical effort If they have a choice and the $$$ they'll take the easier, faster way. Computer: mouse, reboot, ctrl alt delete. Driving a car? No commentQuoteProfessional packers mean the DZ can launch more airplanes per day and more money gets spread around DZ employees
>>reads like: it's a money thing >>
Exactly excuse me delete thatproviding "good customer service" to jumpers who don't have the time to learn how to pack and want to make a lot of jumps/day. Also helps the DZ recover some of the costs of nice airplanes and facilities.Quotewhat get's my nerve is this consumer-attitude. "no, i don't have to do xxxx because i can pay xxxx to do it for me" reads like "i have a right to remain ignorant"
Welcome to Skydiving at some of the DZ's in the US.
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edit to ad: this is not mennt to be offensive to you. it is meant to critizise an attitude
QuoteWinsor,
I agree with 99% of what you say. for me saving time by packing is out of the question. It's just my pack jobs can take 30 minutes or more easily. I'm just slow. Everything else is spot on.
B
The more you pack the faster they get. Mine used to to 45 minutes to an hour. Now I am down to 30. My packing instructor who is also a packer earning money at the DZ recommended that I pack everytime until I had it under 20 minutes.
"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes
Croc 0
Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy
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