pfloyd 0 #1 March 1, 2007 Whats up, so far I haven't had a cutaway but I know its just a mater of time. My question is, when you had a cutaway, what do you think the reason was that caused the malfunction in the first place? Was it poorly packed, were you spinning at pull time? I am sure there are several contributing factors to a mal. Thanks in advance for sharing your experience with me! My drinking team has a skydiving problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efs4ever 3 #2 March 1, 2007 Every single chop was from a spinner. Four on personal gear due to tension knots and five on tandems. (Three line overs and two tension knots.) Replace worn line sets to avoid tension knots. Oh, and one intentional using capewells and three rounds. (My first)Russell M. Webb D 7014 Attorney at Law 713 385 5676 https://www.tdcparole.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #3 March 1, 2007 One from a baglock, one from a lineover.The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RB_Hammer 0 #4 March 1, 2007 Spinning from tension knots on pretty worn rental gear under a Sabre 190, jump 37. Great reserve opening though..."I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #5 March 1, 2007 because Jump Shack paid me to....... every damn time Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #6 March 1, 2007 I'll let ya know . . . if I ever have one.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d123 1 #7 March 1, 2007 That's so cool!!!! So you jump with a secondary belly mont reserve?Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #8 March 1, 2007 Well, I would have to say the reason for my chop would have been the fact that my canopy had another person inside of it. fyi, they don't like to fly like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Floats18 0 #9 March 1, 2007 I chopped because Ryan Turner tried to kill me... He's still at it, but I've gotten better at eluding him.--- and give them wings so they may fly free forever DiverDriver in Training Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reinhart36 0 #10 March 1, 2007 Many line twists due to a sloppy pack job. It looked like a streamer for a few seconds, and then stabilized as a very small canopy with about 10 twists in the line. I chopped it promptly, and the reserve came out like a charm! That was jump #21 for me, and I wasn't the one who packed the main... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypimp.gzo 0 #11 March 2, 2007 QuoteI'll let ya know . . . if I ever have one. That's awesome! You never chopped till now? My goal is at least 1000 jumps with out. Maybe it'll work. Your post has giving me faith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivejunky 0 #12 March 2, 2007 Two line overs on tandems, one drogue wrapped around half the lines on tandem, one toggle malfuntion on tandem, eight spinning mals on small canopies and I didn't pack any of them.. but I did pack all the reserves except one tandem. .. saves on buying the rigger a bottle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sonicfreefly 0 #13 March 2, 2007 Accidently stowed the extra brake line between the steering line and the riser. Normally would not have been a problem, but my other toggle was released by my slider. Canopy started to spin up and loaded the steering line to the point that it locked the toggle in place. Time I realized the problem I had run out of altitude and had to chop it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SBS 0 #14 March 2, 2007 1) hole in my canopy 2) intentional 3) pc in tow 4) spinner - line twists 5) spinner - tandem line twists 6) spinner - line twists (leaned too soon to try to get booties off...I hate booties) 7) spinner - no line twists, no toggle fire...don't know why. Pulled low already (still within legal boundries), so didn't wait around to find out._____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites towerrat 0 #15 March 2, 2007 1] stupid new guy stunt.........300 jumps,elliptical canopy, didn't turn all the way over after leading a tracking dive. Pitched on my side, spinning death ball 2]spinner 3] tension knots 4]tension knots shortly followed by violent spin 5]tandem, tension knots, nonviolent 6]tandem, tension knots, spinning but not incredibly violent 7]tandem, hard opening spinning death ride,hard cutaway.......thought I was gonna die! 8]no cutaway, jumping a web gloved wingsuit, couldn't locate main handle, my bad 9]tandem, tension knots, spinning pretty good. I have terrible luckPlay stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Martini 0 #16 March 2, 2007 Mine have all been the result of bad air. Completely unavoidable.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skydive2 1 #17 March 2, 2007 QuoteReason for your cutaway - NEW Quote | Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whats up, so far I haven't had a cutaway but I know its just a mater of time. My question is, when you had a cutaway, what do you think the reason was that caused the malfunction in the first place? I was caught in the death spril. And I don't mean the life spril, the deathe spril....so I pulled the shroud line, and activated my secondary chute. bsbd Grant!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites patworks 5 #18 March 2, 2007 Since 1961, I have had more than 35 cutaways. Only about 20% spun. Way more than 50% were caused by parachutes that simply did not like to open. Packing errors caused about 4 each. Pack closures were also about 4. Low openings/low altitude another 6. Bad rigging 2. Brain lock at least 2. My reserve functioned perfectly except for once. For a reasonable person excerising due care a cutaway is very rare.Pat Works nee Madden Travis Works, Jr .B1575, C1798, D1813, Star Crest Solo#1, USPA#189, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jbanning 0 #19 March 2, 2007 I know a few people with 3000+ with no cutaways!!!........it is not always a given! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites L.O. 0 #20 March 2, 2007 1) last load on Sun., my normal rigs were on the floor. I grabbed my CReW rig. My CReW rig was ROL at the time. I took the two way low and then looked for my BOC. 2) my AR-11 was getting so tired, I thought I could get a few more jumps out of her before my new Jedei got here. 3) (my fav) I got out last, right after an 8-way, solo head down. Just after leaving, I could tell I had a problem. My right riser had gotten out and my toggle was about 6 ft farther away then it should have been. It didn't even make it 6ft off my back. Bag lock. the cool part was the fact that I didn't cut away I tracked over til I was above the 8-way. They had a camera guy. he pulled at 4ish. I tracked over about 100ft infront of him and screamed as I went by Pulling the cut away then reserve. He got it all on tape. so cool. 4) Borrowed gaer, last jump of the night, didn't check my handles. Took it low again and couldn't find the Fn handle. 5) Brake fire, borrowed gear, spinner. 6) I was planning on a new line set for the 89 at Rantoul. only 2 months away. The world takes on a different perspective when your canopy is well below the horizon, spinning at 2 or more revs per sec. cool. I had just packed the reserve the day before. 7) still planning on the new line set, now only a weekend to go. got to try out my new 109-MZ loaded at 2lbs pr. fun fun fun. number 7 was round 6 at NPSL comp, July 03 I haven't had one since. I've made 1400 since.HPDBs, I hate those guys. AFB, charter member. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Yossarian 0 #21 March 2, 2007 that vid of number 3 posted anywhere? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites frynsky 0 #22 March 2, 2007 1)Stuffed a Starlite round in a double shorty Wonderhog, it did NOT want to come out. 2) Had a spinner on a Cobra 10(damn death canopy) 3) Had another spinner on Cobra 10 4) Broke 11 lines on Cobra 10 5) Toggle went thru keeper and wrapped around brake lines... 6) One intentional... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 2shay 0 #23 March 2, 2007 mals are funny to me I have had none in 500 jumps ever, but i always expect one. I have seen people go with 7000 jumps and have none and then may have a few in a week or something like that. I pack in bout 5-7 min don't screw with it too much and its worked great. I have seen a guy who is meticulous about his pack jobs have mals, and you know thats just the baffling part of it all. In a way mals are hard to make happen and in others they aren't. I do believe you MUST know how the canopy reacts to different packing i think that is huge because even though it could be the same exact brand and type you can almost bet the two will be different in the way they open and charcterisitics they may have. So i guess what the heckI don't know. Get with a good rigger if your worried about it and have them watch you pack and tell you what your doing, right, wrong, indifferent.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shunkka 0 #24 March 2, 2007 2 out - pincheck error... reserve opening when i deploy my main ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #25 March 2, 2007 2 cutaways but 6 reserve rides... cutaway with shot and a half capewells from an entangled french papillon mid 70's cutaway while using a wonderhog with 3 ring release, from a strato-cloud with tension knot in the right side steering lines,, wouldn't clear...1980..... 4 non cutaway emergencies...( OK 3 of them were 'stupidity" One was an emergency ) a. inability to extract main PC. gettin low. pulled blast handle... piggyback rig. late 70's b. horseshoe , (twisted bellyband) bag out, some lines out, D bag stayed closed... pulled blast handle piggyback rig ....late 70's c. dislocated right shoulder at exit... left hand reserve pull @ approx. 3000 ft javelin rig....2005 d. inabilty to extract main PC . got low. pulled reserve left handed at 1,300 feet . javelin rig 2006 none since jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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Sonicfreefly 0 #13 March 2, 2007 Accidently stowed the extra brake line between the steering line and the riser. Normally would not have been a problem, but my other toggle was released by my slider. Canopy started to spin up and loaded the steering line to the point that it locked the toggle in place. Time I realized the problem I had run out of altitude and had to chop it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #14 March 2, 2007 1) hole in my canopy 2) intentional 3) pc in tow 4) spinner - line twists 5) spinner - tandem line twists 6) spinner - line twists (leaned too soon to try to get booties off...I hate booties) 7) spinner - no line twists, no toggle fire...don't know why. Pulled low already (still within legal boundries), so didn't wait around to find out._____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #15 March 2, 2007 1] stupid new guy stunt.........300 jumps,elliptical canopy, didn't turn all the way over after leading a tracking dive. Pitched on my side, spinning death ball 2]spinner 3] tension knots 4]tension knots shortly followed by violent spin 5]tandem, tension knots, nonviolent 6]tandem, tension knots, spinning but not incredibly violent 7]tandem, hard opening spinning death ride,hard cutaway.......thought I was gonna die! 8]no cutaway, jumping a web gloved wingsuit, couldn't locate main handle, my bad 9]tandem, tension knots, spinning pretty good. I have terrible luckPlay stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martini 0 #16 March 2, 2007 Mine have all been the result of bad air. Completely unavoidable.Sometimes you eat the bear.............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydive2 1 #17 March 2, 2007 QuoteReason for your cutaway - NEW Quote | Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whats up, so far I haven't had a cutaway but I know its just a mater of time. My question is, when you had a cutaway, what do you think the reason was that caused the malfunction in the first place? I was caught in the death spril. And I don't mean the life spril, the deathe spril....so I pulled the shroud line, and activated my secondary chute. bsbd Grant!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patworks 5 #18 March 2, 2007 Since 1961, I have had more than 35 cutaways. Only about 20% spun. Way more than 50% were caused by parachutes that simply did not like to open. Packing errors caused about 4 each. Pack closures were also about 4. Low openings/low altitude another 6. Bad rigging 2. Brain lock at least 2. My reserve functioned perfectly except for once. For a reasonable person excerising due care a cutaway is very rare.Pat Works nee Madden Travis Works, Jr .B1575, C1798, D1813, Star Crest Solo#1, USPA#189, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbanning 0 #19 March 2, 2007 I know a few people with 3000+ with no cutaways!!!........it is not always a given! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
L.O. 0 #20 March 2, 2007 1) last load on Sun., my normal rigs were on the floor. I grabbed my CReW rig. My CReW rig was ROL at the time. I took the two way low and then looked for my BOC. 2) my AR-11 was getting so tired, I thought I could get a few more jumps out of her before my new Jedei got here. 3) (my fav) I got out last, right after an 8-way, solo head down. Just after leaving, I could tell I had a problem. My right riser had gotten out and my toggle was about 6 ft farther away then it should have been. It didn't even make it 6ft off my back. Bag lock. the cool part was the fact that I didn't cut away I tracked over til I was above the 8-way. They had a camera guy. he pulled at 4ish. I tracked over about 100ft infront of him and screamed as I went by Pulling the cut away then reserve. He got it all on tape. so cool. 4) Borrowed gaer, last jump of the night, didn't check my handles. Took it low again and couldn't find the Fn handle. 5) Brake fire, borrowed gear, spinner. 6) I was planning on a new line set for the 89 at Rantoul. only 2 months away. The world takes on a different perspective when your canopy is well below the horizon, spinning at 2 or more revs per sec. cool. I had just packed the reserve the day before. 7) still planning on the new line set, now only a weekend to go. got to try out my new 109-MZ loaded at 2lbs pr. fun fun fun. number 7 was round 6 at NPSL comp, July 03 I haven't had one since. I've made 1400 since.HPDBs, I hate those guys. AFB, charter member. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yossarian 0 #21 March 2, 2007 that vid of number 3 posted anywhere? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frynsky 0 #22 March 2, 2007 1)Stuffed a Starlite round in a double shorty Wonderhog, it did NOT want to come out. 2) Had a spinner on a Cobra 10(damn death canopy) 3) Had another spinner on Cobra 10 4) Broke 11 lines on Cobra 10 5) Toggle went thru keeper and wrapped around brake lines... 6) One intentional... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #23 March 2, 2007 mals are funny to me I have had none in 500 jumps ever, but i always expect one. I have seen people go with 7000 jumps and have none and then may have a few in a week or something like that. I pack in bout 5-7 min don't screw with it too much and its worked great. I have seen a guy who is meticulous about his pack jobs have mals, and you know thats just the baffling part of it all. In a way mals are hard to make happen and in others they aren't. I do believe you MUST know how the canopy reacts to different packing i think that is huge because even though it could be the same exact brand and type you can almost bet the two will be different in the way they open and charcterisitics they may have. So i guess what the heckI don't know. Get with a good rigger if your worried about it and have them watch you pack and tell you what your doing, right, wrong, indifferent.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shunkka 0 #24 March 2, 2007 2 out - pincheck error... reserve opening when i deploy my main ------------------------- "jump, have fun, pull" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #25 March 2, 2007 2 cutaways but 6 reserve rides... cutaway with shot and a half capewells from an entangled french papillon mid 70's cutaway while using a wonderhog with 3 ring release, from a strato-cloud with tension knot in the right side steering lines,, wouldn't clear...1980..... 4 non cutaway emergencies...( OK 3 of them were 'stupidity" One was an emergency ) a. inability to extract main PC. gettin low. pulled blast handle... piggyback rig. late 70's b. horseshoe , (twisted bellyband) bag out, some lines out, D bag stayed closed... pulled blast handle piggyback rig ....late 70's c. dislocated right shoulder at exit... left hand reserve pull @ approx. 3000 ft javelin rig....2005 d. inabilty to extract main PC . got low. pulled reserve left handed at 1,300 feet . javelin rig 2006 none since jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
